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[Dom Cruise]

I haven't even seen Star Trek aside from a couple of episodes here and there, but it's always a joy to see Mike and Rich shit all over nu-Trek.

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Mike's face sums it up.

 

[Cosmos]

I cracked up when Mike kept using Jay as a litmus test for how much Star Trek’s new writers actually know about Star Trek. I barely know about Star Trek too, but at least I’m not I’m charge of writing a Star Trek series.

I also loved the numerous clips they inserted from the original Next Generation series that directly contradict information in the new Picard series. Especially the part about Picard wanting to destroy Data’s original “daughter” in the original series whereas he swears himself to her in this one.

 

[FernandoPooTragedy]

I honestly wonder what Patrick Stewart thinks of this. He spent seven years on that character. Oh well. Paycheck.

 

[Flexo]

I honestly wonder what Patrick Stewart thinks of this. He spent seven years on that character. Oh well. Paycheck.

I'm pretty sure your last sentence is exactly his thought.

 

[Burned Man]

I honestly wonder what Patrick Stewart thinks of this. He spent seven years on that character. Oh well. Paycheck.

I like to think he watched old TNG to get back into character but he didn't watch the show. Instead he just watched the movies where Picard was a violent revenge filled action hero.

 

[Megaroad 2012]

I honestly wonder what Patrick Stewart thinks of this. He spent seven years on that character. Oh well. Paycheck.

Stewart treated Next Gen like a job and this as a job. He knows he's always been above this shit.

 

[KrewlKween]

I am also now pretty curious about "The Orville".

It's not bad, it lets itself be silly and it's definitely not like an action movie. It feels Trek but also not. I just hate that it stinks of Seth Macfarlane's sense of humor. The points it's making are good ones, but it goes about it in these lowbrow sort of ways. Like there's this Worf stand in character who comes from a planet where everyone is male, except not it's like a whole sex change debate. Which is an interesting heavy topic to handle. But then that same character has an entire episode about peeing once a year in a big ceremony and everyone gets to come witness it.

 

[byuu]

think that's the legacy of the films. After "First Contact", Data became the most important character after Picard, presumably because audiences liked the action-hero android (remember that bullshit "lock and load" line from "Insurrection"?). It was necessary then for Data and Picard to become super best friends, with Data finally sacrificing himself in the last film.

And poor Riker is reduced to a dog now.

 

[Harvey Danger]

I honestly wonder what Patrick Stewart thinks of this. He spent seven years on that character. Oh well. Paycheck.

Stewart's become a lot more political (lefty) over the last decade. No joke, when I watched the RLM Picard review on YouTube, the ad that popped up was Stewart shilling for some pro-immigration group.

This feels more like a political statement Stewart wanted to make, not one he got duped into making by screenwriters after he signed a contract. The headline Mike keeps showing is from an interview with Stewart where he makes it explicit:

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Their vision for Picard could also provide an outlet for his own anger and exasperation with the world. That appealed to the outspoken, outraged actor, who recently told Variety that when it comes to Brexit in the U.K. and Trump in the U.S., “I’m not sure which of us in the most trouble.”​

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“I think it’s actually the U.K.,” he continued. “I think we’re fucked, completely fucked.” In the U.S., he said, “There is a time limit to your fucked state, which is four years away.”​

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Star Trek was probably the biggest platform Stewart had to leverage. Before this he was doing small but well-received theater, like a version of Waiting for Godot with Ian McKellen; some voice acting in Seth McFarlane cartoons; playing Charles Xavier in a smattering of X-men movies; and of course, his most memorable role to date:

Sometimes it's not just about the paycheck. When you feel the need to re-assert your importance, a vanity project can "pay" an actor what he needs more than the bank can. And when you personalize your politics, a political vanity project is hard to pass up.

Mike and Rich Evans didn't focus too much on this aspect of it, they were critiquing the episode itself more than the meta aspects of the show, which is fair enough. They seem inclined to blame Kurtzman more than Stewart for now. But once they come back to dissect the full season, this might come up again, depending on how political things get.

 

[Mola Ram]

Stewart's become a lot more political (lefty) over the last decade. No joke, when I watched the RLM Picard review on YouTube, the ad that popped up was Stewart shilling for some pro-immigration group.

This feels more like a political statement Stewart wanted to make, not one he got duped into making by screenwriters after he signed a contract. The headline Mike keeps showing is from an interview with Stewart where he makes it explicit:

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Star Trek was probably the biggest platform Stewart had to leverage. Before this he was doing small but well-received theater, like a version of Waiting for Godot with Ian McKellen; some voice acting in Seth McFarlane cartoons; playing Charles Xavier in a smattering of X-men movies; and of course, his most memorable role to date:

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Sometimes it's not just about the paycheck. When you feel the need to re-assert your importance, a vanity project can "pay" an actor what he needs more than the bank can. And when you personalize your politics, a political vanity project is hard to pass up.

Mike and Rich Evans didn't focus too much on this aspect of it, they were critiquing the episode itself more than the meta aspects of the show, which is fair enough. They seem inclined to blame Kurtzman more than Stewart for now. But once they come back to dissect the full season, this might come up again, depending on how political things get.

Look, if I want to see some cranky old fuck with bad hair bitch about how much the world sucks, I'll tune into a Bernie Sanders rally.

 

[Flexo]

And poor Riker is reduced to a dog now.

OH no! Did everyone de-evolve again?

 

[Judge Holden]

OH no! Did everyone de-evolve again?

NGL, if the Picard series reintroduces Janeway/Tom Paris's freaky devolved salamander kids then I will forgive absolutely fucking everything

 

[GentlemanFaggot]

NGL, if the Picard series reintroduces Janeway/Tom Paris's freaky devolved salamander kids then I will forgive absolutely fucking everything

That would be a new low for the current writers since that episode was bad enough that they had a line in a later season that specifically retconned that episode from ever happening.

 

[Dr. Geronimo]

Stewart's become a lot more political (lefty) over the last decade. No joke, when I watched the RLM Picard review on YouTube, the ad that popped up was Stewart shilling for some pro-immigration group.

This feels more like a political statement Stewart wanted to make, not one he got duped into making by screenwriters after he signed a contract. The headline Mike keeps showing is from an interview with Stewart where he makes it explicit:

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Star Trek was probably the biggest platform Stewart had to leverage. Before this he was doing small but well-received theater, like a version of Waiting for Godot with Ian McKellen; some voice acting in Seth McFarlane cartoons; playing Charles Xavier in a smattering of X-men movies; and of course, his most memorable role to date:

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Sometimes it's not just about the paycheck. When you feel the need to re-assert your importance, a vanity project can "pay" an actor what he needs more than the bank can. And when you personalize your politics, a political vanity project is hard to pass up.

Mike and Rich Evans didn't focus too much on this aspect of it, they were critiquing the episode itself more than the meta aspects of the show, which is fair enough. They seem inclined to blame Kurtzman more than Stewart for now. But once they come back to dissect the full season, this might come up again, depending on how political things get.

They won't bring it up. They try as hard as they can to keep out of politics because they no that the moment they step off the line they're walking then whatever side they aren't on will turn on them

That became painfully during their rise of Skywalker episode when Jay still refuses to call Rey a Mary Sue

 

[Judge Holden]

That would be a new low for the current writers since that episode was bad enough that they had a line in a later season that specifically retconned that episode from ever happening.

I dont care. I have fully embraced burning the whole franchise down.

Also I wanna see the SFdebris mental breakdown after he watches that shit and realises that all this time, Voyager and Enterprise would not even wind up in the top 3 worst trek series of all time

 

[Mola Ram]

They won't bring it up. They try as hard as they can to keep out of politics because they no that the moment they step off the line they're walking then whatever side they aren't on will turn on them

That became painfully during their rise of Skywalker episode when Jay still refuses to call Rey a Mary Sue

They were willing to call out Sensitive Joss Whedon, but I think by and large you're correct.

 

[Harvey Danger]

They won't bring it up. They try as hard as they can to keep out of politics because they no that the moment they step off the line they're walking then whatever side they aren't on will turn on them

That became painfully during their rise of Skywalker episode when Jay still refuses to call Rey a Mary Sue

They touched on the politics at the start of the Star Wars sequels reviews, and in Ghostbusters 2016. But they seem pretty burned out over "CAAAAAAAAHNTROVERSY!" and just make fun of its existence now. I don't blame them for not slamming politics in everything they watch, there's plenty of other outlets for that, and their reviews are more enjoyable for it.

One quibble on the Mary Sue thing: that's a trope from comic books and fanfics. Jay's a movie and TV guy, I wouldn't expect him to use that specific term or apply its connotations. (Rich, the comic book guy, has brought it up multiple times and I think even explained the term to them during the DCU movies.) Jay just calls Rey overpowered and boring, which is a result of a Mary Sue characterization: no stakes, no tension, no drama, because MaRey is loved by everyone and can always solve everything.

 

[Judge Holden]

They were willing to call out Sensitive Joss Whedon, but I think by and large you're correct.

I suspect they probably dont want to incite a mass social media jihad against them by usual suspects by taking any direct stands on shit, just quietly slip in a few barbs in that general direction that are enough to get a handful of troons and resetERA putzes whining

 

[Mola Ram]

They touched on the politics at the start of the Star Wars sequels reviews, and in Ghostbusters 2016. But they seem pretty burned out over "CAAAAAAAAHNTROVERSY!" and just make fun of its existence now. I don't blame them for not slamming politics in everything they watch, there's plenty of other outlets for that, and their reviews are more enjoyable for it.

One quibble on the Mary Sue thing: that's a trope from comic books and fanfics. Jay's a movie and TV guy, I wouldn't expect him to use that specific term or apply its connotations. (Rich, the comic book guy, has brought it up multiple times and I think even explained the term to them during the DCU movies.) Jay just calls Rey overpowered and boring, which is a result of a Mary Sue characterization: no stakes, no tension, no drama, because MaRey is loved by everyone and can always solve everything.

The first prominent figure to call Rey a Mary Sue was Max Landis. Could be they just don't want to associate with him at all if they can help it. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but the BotW and their interview with him were de-listed for a while.

 

[Dom Cruise]

The first prominent figure to call Rey a Mary Sue was Max Landis. Could be they just don't want to associate with him at all if they can help it. I'm not sure if this is still the case, but the BotW and their interview with him were de-listed for a while.

And look at how they destroyed him, which even if he was deserving, I think the main reason he was a target was because he dared to push back against SJWs a bit.