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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%

  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%

  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%

  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%

  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%

  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%

  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%
  • Total voters
    1,073
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
More importantly, he got someone that understand how Star Trek works on a structural level: Brannon Braga. That's why it feels like Voyager with McFarlane-tisms in it. Matalas is most definitely not that kind of producer. At best, he's a fanboy as a producer that happened to be holding the bag when the higher-ups decided to do other things. At worst, he's Dave Filoni.
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Which likely means he won't be involved in whatever they're doing next, because he actually produced something general audiences liked. If he wasn't pushing "the message", then he's as good as dead in modern Hollywood.
 
TVBForever said:
I feel like I want to see it, but I just don't want to watch it in theatres.
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They recommend seeing it for the effects and film work, but the script is very by the books and basic, so you’ll be disappointed if you wanted more in that aspect. Also said to wait for it to stream, but they admit they saw it on a Terrible Tuesday, so….
 
The whole "Orville is the actual new Star Trek" thing from certain parties a couple years ago got very tiring. I watched a couple eps when it was new, too much poop and sex jokes, too much TNG aesthetic copying.

I'm watching the whole series now, about midway through, and hell those folks are right. This show is way more satisfying than Picard S3 was. Episodes are, ahem, episodic but do follow an overall continuity. The show gets better as it goes on; some of those incremental steps are mixed with great leaps. I just watched the episode where the Doctor starts dating the Robot, which was way better than the TNG episode of Data dating the sadsack lady. Even though there's nothing particularly original about the Orville it does have interesting spins on familiar themes, and this last ep was very satisfying especially as it promises an ongoing romance between a human and a robot who can go on the holodeck to bang each other. Ok now I'm wondering what if she became a machine and they interfaced mechanically..

My perception is probably colored since lately I'm watching fanedits that trim the lamest jokes from each ep. (There is still some lame stuff and there is still some actual situational humor. Not sure how much was cut out.) The editor hasn't done season 3 though so I'll have to watch the officials. That might not be a problem as supposedly the jokes were dialed down over the course of the series. I assume that shit was just a Trojan Horse so McFarlane could make off-brand Trek at Fox. Sadly it doesn't look like Disney has much intention of continuing the show.

Anyway to stay on topic let me just say Mike and Rich are fat. Would not bang.
 
Cnut said:
The whole "Orville is the actual new Star Trek" thing from certain parties a couple years ago got very tiring. I watched a couple eps when it was new, too much poop and sex jokes, too much TNG aesthetic copying.

I'm watching the whole series now, about midway through, and hell those folks are right. This show is way more satisfying than Picard S3 was. Episodes are, ahem, episodic but do follow an overall continuity. The show gets better as it goes on; some of those incremental steps are mixed with great leaps. I just watched the episode where the Doctor starts dating the Robot, which was way better than the TNG episode of Data dating the sadsack lady. Even though there's nothing particularly original about the Orville it does have interesting spins on familiar themes, and this last ep was very satisfying especially as it promises an ongoing romance between a human and a robot who can go on the holodeck to bang each other. Ok now I'm wondering what if she became a machine and they interfaced mechanically..

My perception is probably colored since lately I'm watching fanedits that trim the lamest jokes from each ep. (There is still some lame stuff and there is still some actual situational humor. Not sure how much was cut out.) The editor hasn't done season 3 though so I'll have to watch the officials. That might not be a problem as supposedly the jokes were dialed down over the course of the series. I assume that shit was just a Trojan Horse so McFarlane could make off-brand Trek at Fox. Sadly it doesn't look like Disney has much intention of continuing the show.

Anyway to stay on topic let me just say Mike and Rich are fat. Would not bang.
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From what I’ve heard, Seth pitched it as a comedy and then just dialed back said comedy more and more as time went on, because it was how he’d be able to make the show he wanted. There’s still comedy in it, but it’s much more subdued compared to the first season.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
From what I’ve heard, Seth pitched it as a comedy and then just dialed back said comedy more and more as time went on, because it was how he’d be able to make the show he wanted. There’s still comedy in it, but it’s much more subdued compared to the first season.
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Even those first season jokes felt more like pick-up shot that can be easily edited out anyways.
 
Honestly the D is in ugly ship and the E look much better and Mike and Rich are wrong for hating the destruction in Generations (how it got destroyed is stupid, but it's a good sendoff for movie). I think Mike and Rich have too much rose colored glasses towards the D and having that crew back together with season 3. It's better than the previous, but it's still not great.
 
indomitable snowman said:
Honestly the D is in ugly ship and the E look much better and Mike and Rich are wrong for hating the destruction in Generations (how it got destroyed is stupid, but it's a good sendoff for movie). I think Mike and Rich have too much rose colored glasses towards the D and having that crew back together with season 3. It's better than the previous, but it's still not great.
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Agree. I preferred the look of the Constitution Class to the Galaxy. They definitely have let memberberries and fan service cloud their judgement. Also Mike is wrong, First Contact is the best TNG film.

Generations is terrible for re-using the dumb trope of using Geordi's visor as a trojan horse (Starfleet has terrible Op Sec - no one noticed weird signals coming from the ship?) and that they killed off Kirk in the dumbest way imaginable. Crashing the D, is not even in the top 10 things wrong with that abomination of a film.
 
Cnut said:
The whole "Orville is the actual new Star Trek" thing from certain parties a couple years ago got very tiring. I watched a couple eps when it was new, too much poop and sex jokes, too much TNG aesthetic copying.

I'm watching the whole series now, about midway through, and hell those folks are right.
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Yeah, the Orville started out, kinda meh and then they dialled back the jokes and hit this sweet spot of pop culture and Star Trek. It's like a "dumb person's" Star Trek. Instead of quoting Shakespeare and listening to Berlioz, they quote Kermit and listen to Dolly Parton, but they still have the same ethical positivity of Star Trek.
 
Cnut said:
The whole "Orville is the actual new Star Trek" thing from certain parties a couple years ago got very tiring. I watched a couple eps when it was new, too much poop and sex jokes, too much TNG aesthetic copying.

I'm watching the whole series now, about midway through, and hell those folks are right. This show is way more satisfying than Picard S3 was. Episodes are, ahem, episodic but do follow an overall continuity. The show gets better as it goes on; some of those incremental steps are mixed with great leaps. I just watched the episode where the Doctor starts dating the Robot, which was way better than the TNG episode of Data dating the sadsack lady. Even though there's nothing particularly original about the Orville it does have interesting spins on familiar themes, and this last ep was very satisfying especially as it promises an ongoing romance between a human and a robot who can go on the holodeck to bang each other. Ok now I'm wondering what if she became a machine and they interfaced mechanically..

My perception is probably colored since lately I'm watching fanedits that trim the lamest jokes from each ep. (There is still some lame stuff and there is still some actual situational humor. Not sure how much was cut out.) The editor hasn't done season 3 though so I'll have to watch the officials. That might not be a problem as supposedly the jokes were dialed down over the course of the series. I assume that shit was just a Trojan Horse so McFarlane could make off-brand Trek at Fox. Sadly it doesn't look like Disney has much intention of continuing the show.

Anyway to stay on topic let me just say Mike and Rich are fat. Would not bang.
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I felt seasons 2 & 3 of Orville suffered from making the B-plot the A-plot, so most episodes ended up being rather aimless and tiresome. In Star Trek, character's interpersonal nonsense would be interspersed throughout the adventure of the week. In the Orville, the character's interpersonal nonsense more likely than not is the "adventure" of the week.

For example, there's a subplot in the third season where the robot propositions Adrian Palicki for sex because he's wacky and zany and doesn't understand human interaction. In TNG, this would've been a one minute scene that ends with a Red Alert going off and the characters running off to save the day. In the Orville, this sequence drags on for twenty minutes with like four separate lectures about why what he did was wrong. There is no fucking point to any of it, except to take what should be a quick joke and whip it beyond recognition.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
I felt seasons 2 & 3 of Orville suffered from making the B-plot the A-plot, so most episodes ended up being rather aimless and tiresome
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I'd say the same here. Seasons 2 and 3 felt confusing and especially redundant once the writers focused too much on the B-plot.
 
I get your points, it feels like the cool stuff is happening off screen. Expect when it isn't. Then it's on screen for 15 minutes and nothing happens (I get it, explooooosions* but still), which for me is a much bigger beef with the Orville. I like season 2 & 3 better because despite both your and my gripes its highs are much higher than season 1 and some of the episodes were genuinly comfy moral dilemma tier. The levels of retardation versus awesome seem to fluctuate more for the later seasons Kind of like season 4 of TNG.

It's all subjective blah blah but I think the Orville captured the "essence" of trek as I see it better than anything official post Voyager/Enterprise has. Whatever the fuck that essence is.

*if you don't buy Torgue you're fucking retarded
 
Rich Evans Simp said:
If anyone still cares about what happened with Mike and Jessi, Mike’s father’s obituary seems to confirm that he is single. https://www.colonialchapel.com/memorials/leonard-stoklasa/4584587/
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You can't really tell from this. Obituaries typically don't list romantic partners who aren't married (though I've seen people say they were married to get them into the obit), much like they don't name grandchildren, to keep the word count down to a reasonable level.
 
You know, their review of Evil Dead (reboot) was almost exactly 10 years from their recent Evil Dead Rise review, April 16th 2013 vs. April 30th 2023. Looking back really makes me miss how Half in the Bag used to be as it has lost it's unique identity through that time with this being a good example. I really miss when it was more than just a pretty straight-forward review show. I am usually just waiting for Best of the Worst uploads these days since Half in the Bag is so much less than it once was. At least they occasionally put in the effort of some extra stuff, but the intro and outro continuity about Plinkett stuff is a tragedy to have gone.

Speaking of which, it's been two months since a Best of the Worst! I hope the next one isn't a spotlight.
 
Professor G. Raff said:
You know, their review of Evil Dead (reboot) was almost exactly 10 years from their recent Evil Dead Rise review, April 16th 2013 vs. April 30th 2023. Looking back really makes me miss how Half in the Bag used to be as it has lost it's unique identity through that time with this being a good example. I really miss when it was more than just a pretty straight-forward review show. I am usually just waiting for Best of the Worst uploads these days since Half in the Bag is so much less than it once was. At least they occasionally put in the effort of some extra stuff, but the intro and outro continuity about Plinkett stuff is a tragedy to have gone.

Speaking of which, it's been two months since a Best of the Worst! I hope the next one isn't a spotlight.
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I wonder how much of it is because of the state of Hollywood. I’ve never in my 20-something years of life seen a creative dry spell in movies this bad. It’s the paint by the numbers writing, the unrelenting reboots and weird established character swaps, the hamfisted politics saying the same things over and over, etc. The format for reviewing new releases kind of damns them in this situation.

They even said how long it’d been since they’d been to the theaters, and it really sunk in how miserable the atmosphere around new movies is. It transfers to HITB too.
The last time I enjoyed HITB was Money Plane. That got some life out of them (even though I think it should’ve been on BOTW).
 
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