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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%

  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%

  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%

  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%

  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%

  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%

  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%
  • Total voters
    1,073
Disney fans when RLM doesn't completely love Kenobi

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Disney haters when RLM doesn't completely hate Kenobi

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Dom Cruise said:
Finally got around to watching their Kenobi reviews.

While I was a little surprised and disappointed that they weren't entirely negative, it didn't make me angry because they never say it's a great show and I see that it actually DOES have some interesting moments (not that I plan on watching it because I just don't care enough), I dislike Disney Star Wars and the culture surrounding it as much as the next guy but one shouldn't just become a mirror image of the soyboys who unquestionably praise everything.

I'm also pretty impressed by how they got me thinking about Return of the Jedi, I never understood the dislike some people have for it but I can see now how it wastes the dynamic of Han, Luke and Leia that was so strong in the first film, Han and Leia are just kind of there, serving story purposes only and not really mattering much as far as their characters go.

It's also interesting with the clips they play of the Prequels to be reminded how pretty lame those movies are, I'm one of those people that tend to want to be more forgiving of them in light of Disney's Star Wars, but nah, if anything they've only aged to be even worse because all the CG and green screen shit looks so phenomenally fake whereas part of what made the OT magical was the tangibility, texture and believability they had.

But even if ROTJ is flawed, it's still 100 times better than what came later (including the Prequels), but the question is, why did George have such a hard time knocking it out of the park after the first two films?
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RotJ falls firmly into the 80s sequel template (e.g. Airplane II, Robocop II, The Naked Gun series, etc.). It's not quite as good as the movie before it, but it's still fine for the most part. Today, if a movie isn't MCU, the quality of the sequel will vary so wildly that they don't feel connected to the previous movie.

The more I think about it, the more I think the writer-director model is deeply flawed for serialized movies. The key problem is a lack of producer counterweight. Yes, producers can be really annoying, but they have the ability to criticize and edit via finances the director's vision and every creative endeavor needs editing. Lucas clearly got less of it in the Prequels since he didn't have a strong producer like Gary Kurtz to push back.

What Lucas did have over someone like JJ or Rian Johnson is that he was the original source. So even though the Prequels lack fine-tuning, they still connect to the OT while being their own kind of movies. JJ only succeeded at making a $200 million fan film. Johnson set out to make an anti-fan film and killed the Golden Goose in the process, hence the panic that infests TRoS. The Sequels have the superficial aesthetics of the OT sort of, but don't have the themes in them to connect with the OT. At best, the Sequels are derivative, at worst insulting.
 
The Prequels are still better than the Sequels, don't get me wrong.

It's just that the Prequels are not very good either.

It really is a hilarious contrast between the OT and the Prequels where in the OT everything has such tangibility, the spaceships are models, the sets are giant sound stage sets and many things are stop motion, everything looks like you can touch it because you can, it's something that exists in reality even if it's obviously a stop motion or hand puppet.

That makes it all more believable whereas the Prequels are so obviously actors running around a green screen stage and everything is fake.

I think that's part of why Rogue One didn't work for me, despite it's script issues it's OT Star Wars but with CGI, giving everything that Prequel style fakeness.

CG can work for a movie, but in the case of Star Wars the magic it has is due to tangibility of it's world, it needs sound stage sets, puppets, models etc, remove that and it just isn't the same when it's specifically Star Wars.
 
Dom Cruise said:
The Prequels are still better than the Sequels, don't get me wrong.

It's just that the Prequels are not very good either.

It really is a hilarious contrast between the OT and the Prequels where in the OT everything has such tangibility, the spaceships are models, the sets are giant sound stage sets and many things are stop motion, everything looks like you can touch it because you can, it's something that exists in reality even if it's obviously a stop motion or hand puppet.

That makes it all more believable whereas the Prequels are so obviously actors running around a green screen stage and everything is fake.

I think that's part of why Rogue One didn't work for me, despite it's script issues it's OT Star Wars but with CGI, giving everything that Prequel style fakeness.

CG can work for a movie, but in the case of Star Wars the magic it has is due to tangibility of it's world, it needs sound stage sets, puppets, models etc, remove that and it just isn't the same when it's specifically Star Wars.
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Enjoying the prequels is easy because it's about following a simple formula.

Tragedy + Time = Comedy. At the time they were disappointments and felt like kid's movies. Over time they have become canonized as cringe-kino.
 
The Man With No Name said:
Enjoying the prequels is easy because it's about following a simple formula.

Tragedy + Time = Comedy. At the time they were disappointments and felt like kid's movies. Over time they have become canonized as cringe-kino.
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I love Attack of the Clones for that reason. It was the perfect mix of over CGd action and awfully executed romance. The plot itself is OK, it's just that they skip 80% of the build up and just reference it as if we were there anyway, and it has some decent acting in it as well. You can't tell me R2D2 pulling out a jetpack and zooming around a factory while C3PO is reassembled into a combat droid, and Yoda backflipping off the ceiling in a lightsaber fight, isn't peak schlock retardation. It's just an amazing film in that regard. TPM's plot is too convoluted and the kid is distracting, and the third film is a bit too dark and just takes itself too seriously while still being schlocky shit.

AotC is really well done schlock in a lot of ways, I actually wonder what Mike would think of it if he re-watched it now that he seems to have let go of most of his cares regarding Star Wars.
 
The Man With No Name said:
Enjoying the prequels is easy because it's about following a simple formula.

Tragedy + Time = Comedy. At the time they were disappointments and felt like kid's movies. Over time they have become canonized as cringe-kino.
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I've noticed this in the Robot Chicken sketches. Their OT and PT sketches are generally reinterpretations of scenes. Their ST sketches are stating the plot.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I've noticed this in the Robot Chicken sketches. Their OT and PT sketches are generally reinterpretations of scenes. Their ST sketches are stating the plot.
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Are you kidding? Robot Chicken actually fixed the sequels by giving Rey an actual character.
 
Patreon Update:

Hey everyone! We're currently working on two different videos. One is a Half in the Bag for Everything Everywhere All At Once. Finally! The other is a Jay and Josh re:View for the Kids in the Hall flop movie Brain Candy. The Kids in the Hall themselves spent the first five minutes of their new Amazon series making fun of this movie so we thought we'd revisit it.
 
Introvertigo said:
Patreon Update:

Hey everyone! We're currently working on two different videos. One is a Half in the Bag for Everything Everywhere All At Once. Finally! The other is a Jay and Josh re:View for the Kids in the Hall flop movie Brain Candy. The Kids in the Hall themselves spent the first five minutes of their new Amazon series making fun of this movie so we thought we'd revisit it.
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I can't say I'm interested in Everything Everywhere All at Once. Jet Li's The One is the only movie I want to watch about a Chinaman in the multiverse.
 
I’ve heard Everything Everywhere All It Once is super good. Did incredibly well in theaters for an indie film.
 
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