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Doesn't that also happen when you mention any opinion about any Star Wars movie at all?
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I remember Star Trek '09. I was a little tentative about this reimagining but came out thinking it was pretty good. Not fantastic but decent. Then a number of reviews and reactions turned up with the attitude of 'there's a new Star Trek and it's actually good! BTFO Trekkies!'
Wait, what?
Now the kind of person who seethes about Star Wars 24/7, hatewatches every new show they release, sends $50 superchats to Gary Beuchler or Doomcock just for saying 'Kennedy woman bad', there's too many of them. But I agree that the kind of person who can't stop seething about the seethers or just the mildly disgruntled is barely any better, and there's a few too many of them, also. It's like, someone shits on something you love, twists something that was a big influence on you, and you're the villain for voicing your displeasure. Bearing in mind that 'displeasure' can range up to 'autistic years-long chimpouts' In the Star Trek example, there didn't even have to be a major backlash at least, I didn't notice in order to be lumped in as some kind of 'toxic fan' and targeted.
It feels like what @WhatIsThePunchline hinted at, that becomes more and more apparent with every media campaign along the lines of 'misogynists hate Ghostbusters '16'* or 'Moses Ingram warned that Star Wars fans are huwhite supremacists' - that the old, change-fearing nerd fans of rebooted nerd media are a convenient scapegoat, a safe target, labelled with the deadliest sins of the modern age, and cynically and pre-emptively used to deflect criticism of the atrocious decisions that went into said reboot.
And people seem to ride that wave, in the way that people latch onto the [pop-]culture war narrative. Same thing, just the opposite, contrarian tack. Fandom Menacers think it's wrong to like NuWars? Well, I say it's wrong to dislike NuWars! Fandom Menacers hatewatch Disney Star Wars shows? Well I'm going to hateread youtube comments about Disney Star Wars shows! Fandom Menacers won't stop seething? Well I won't stop either! That'll show 'em!
There are Kiwis in this thread, I'm convinced it wouldn't take much of a push to get them to throw superchats at some youtuber saying 'Nerdrotic Man Bad'.
* At this point I think it's hugely ironic that one of the best vids debunking that nonsense was from RLM. Though would it be fair to say that the OG Ghostbusters was a fond memory for all three, that they wanted to stick up for?
Again, this is why I think the Kenobi review should've just been Mike and Rich. They might not be the biggest Star Wars guys, but at least they have some notion of horror at a butchered sci fi franchise. It's difficult to imagine a 'the manbabies just didn't like Icheb being vivisected hurr durr!' quip coming out during the Picard review, for instance. I think for Jay to feel anything, you'd have to do something really transgressive like, a reboot of Pink Flamingos where Divine is played by an actual woman, an attractive woman, who eats plain chocolate pudding.
And then Jay would think this betrays John Waters intent.
And we would point and laugh and call him a faggot for caring.
That's how this works, right?
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Dream on this, burger boy. Mike Stoklasa is one cunt hair away from running all of south Wisconsin. And Rich Evans is that cunt hair.
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The thing is, it's been TEN FUCKING YEARS. It's time to consoom a different franchise. Star Wars ain't changing.
Overly loving or hating Star Wars? Either way, they need to
If he wore a gay mask and used a voice changer, or spent hours upon hours criticizing every frame of it and did it night and day for 10 fucking years, hell yeah I'd call him a faggot for caring that much.
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Jay "Niggerstomper" Bauman about TLJ:
"Length is an issue. Structure is an issue. Pacing is an issue"
"Every piece of comedy fell flat for me"
"It's a mess"
"He subverted too much.... every 5 minutes"
"In theory, I like a lot of what he's trying to do, in execution it didn't work"
"There was a brief period of time when they were beloved blockbusters. Now, it isn't special anymore."
"Uuuuugh"
"She's ain't a Mary Sue in this one.. She fails at everything"
"I'm not interested or excited to see where they go next with this."
He basically agrees with every single negative comment said by Rich and Mike.
And yet, the Star Wars faggots in this thread:
In conclusion:
"Every piece of comedy fell flat for me"
"It's a mess"
"He subverted too much.... every 5 minutes"
"In theory, I like a lot of what he's trying to do, in execution it didn't work"
"There was a brief period of time when they were beloved blockbusters. Now, it isn't special anymore."
"Uuuuugh"
"She's ain't a Mary Sue in this one.. She fails at everything"
"I'm not interested or excited to see where they go next with this."
He basically agrees with every single negative comment said by Rich and Mike.
And yet, the Star Wars faggots in this thread:
In conclusion:
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Hatedoms seems to just naturally occur for some reason. Also hating on critics is pretty common. Maybe it's something about different personality types or some shit. Some people get annoyed by complaining, some think it's fun to analyze shit to an autistic degree. The ghostbusters hatedom was definitely astroturfed though.
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Remember how James Rofle gave one of the most milquetoast responses to fembusters and the internet acted like he personally hit women?
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Wow. This thread got REALLY autistic here for a while. I want to join in!
What I find funny is that if you put the Picard Re View next to the Kenobi Re View, so much of what Rich and Mike complain about in Picard is similar to what Star Wars fans are complaining about in Kenobi. Inconsistency of universe and themes, retconning all over the place, characters changing from one movie to another or show to another.
I really respect the guys for being honest, and saying that they were able to like the shitshow that was Kenobi BECAUSE they're not into the extra stuff.
As an admitted Clone Wars enjoyer (while accepting about 15 percent of the show arcs were ass,) I do find it just a tiny bit annoying that they seem dismissive of Star Wars fans who complain about wanting Disney to keep their own canon straight. Not all the minutiae of comics and tie in video games. But just the movies, cartoons, and TV shows.
Star Wars fans are/have been feeling the exact same thing that sent Mike into a beautiful existential meltdown where he compared viewing a mini-series to the realization of mortality that comes from a child seeing a corpse.
It's great to turn your brain off and enjoy carnage, if you actually like to enjoy carnage and aren't doing it because you're conditioned to suck mouse cock. But the people eulogizing a body mangled by a train are having an equally valid reaction. Depends on how well you knew the victim.
What I find funny is that if you put the Picard Re View next to the Kenobi Re View, so much of what Rich and Mike complain about in Picard is similar to what Star Wars fans are complaining about in Kenobi. Inconsistency of universe and themes, retconning all over the place, characters changing from one movie to another or show to another.
I really respect the guys for being honest, and saying that they were able to like the shitshow that was Kenobi BECAUSE they're not into the extra stuff.
As an admitted Clone Wars enjoyer (while accepting about 15 percent of the show arcs were ass,) I do find it just a tiny bit annoying that they seem dismissive of Star Wars fans who complain about wanting Disney to keep their own canon straight. Not all the minutiae of comics and tie in video games. But just the movies, cartoons, and TV shows.
Star Wars fans are/have been feeling the exact same thing that sent Mike into a beautiful existential meltdown where he compared viewing a mini-series to the realization of mortality that comes from a child seeing a corpse.
It's great to turn your brain off and enjoy carnage, if you actually like to enjoy carnage and aren't doing it because you're conditioned to suck mouse cock. But the people eulogizing a body mangled by a train are having an equally valid reaction. Depends on how well you knew the victim.
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But their problem with Picard aren't just a bit of retcons.
Mike was pretty positive towards the JJ Trek reboot and was willing to give Discovery a fair shake.
He never went "this is shit because it's not the Trek I remember".
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People who dislike nuWar are also like that. The whole 'they just think it's shit cause it's not the Star Wars they remember' comes from the ones that can't take people not liking nuWars. Same as 'they only hate it because of this one thing'. It's just something they tell themselves about the fans, right after 'uh they're just a bunch of old nerds'. Meanwhile the fans constantly bring up everything they actually disliked about the movies, which mostly boils down to abysmal incoherent worldbuilding and equally incoherent characters.
Yeah it's the same. Think a lot of people are just where RLM are at. 'Oh they killed another thing, great, whatever'. Not just with Star Wars or Trek, tons of shows.
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Are people seriously still sperging out because RLM liked Kenobi more than Picard?
RLM doesn't like Star Wars. They think it has been shit since Return of the Jedi. They haven't watched all the cartoons and extra shows for lore. They think the prequels are awful and literally made their career shitting on the prequels. They insulted the sequels relentlessly and said that TFA basically ruined cinema by causing all these studios to try and do nostalgia bait soft reboots leading to shit like the new Terminator, the new Predator, Jurassic World, etc.
I can't believe spergs are honestly shocked that they don't entirely hate Kenobi. They point out how shit it is and how terrible it is repeatedly throughout the reviews. They are comparing it to Picard, which was basically a 0/10 show for them. They are actual Star Trek fans and actively hate Star Wars.
It's not even like they sucked off Kenobi. Their main praise for it was that it used more practical effects and had a more grounded combat style. Anyone who knows anything about RLM knows this is what they like. It's not like they're even really praising it, they outright say that Star Wars is dead, fans of it are a crazed cult and how Disney is awful lol
RLM doesn't like Star Wars. They think it has been shit since Return of the Jedi. They haven't watched all the cartoons and extra shows for lore. They think the prequels are awful and literally made their career shitting on the prequels. They insulted the sequels relentlessly and said that TFA basically ruined cinema by causing all these studios to try and do nostalgia bait soft reboots leading to shit like the new Terminator, the new Predator, Jurassic World, etc.
I can't believe spergs are honestly shocked that they don't entirely hate Kenobi. They point out how shit it is and how terrible it is repeatedly throughout the reviews. They are comparing it to Picard, which was basically a 0/10 show for them. They are actual Star Trek fans and actively hate Star Wars.
It's not even like they sucked off Kenobi. Their main praise for it was that it used more practical effects and had a more grounded combat style. Anyone who knows anything about RLM knows this is what they like. It's not like they're even really praising it, they outright say that Star Wars is dead, fans of it are a crazed cult and how Disney is awful lol
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Not even all the movies, just Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. There's not that much extra stuff to keep track of, especially when this show has to lean on the Prequels far more heavily than the other shows. Whenever they try to fix a small "plothole" like "Only a master of evil, Darth," the scripts then create much bigger ones like Leia personally knowing Obi-wan and Bail being the dumbest person in all of Star Wars. That's not even including fire not damaging human skin or lightsaber stabs are non-lethal despite all attempts to kill people with said stabs. Even little kids can survive getting stabbed by a lightsaber now. It also doesn't help the lighting in Kenobi is absolute ass.
Kenobi and Picard are equally ass.
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Star Wars never mained TV shows, and Star Trek never mained films. Mike has said before how terrible some of the later Trek films were in the 90s and oughts.
They're dismissive of the shows because a) they're not the "real" product and b) it doesn't add anything to the films. It's fine to say it fleshes out XYZ characters, but it's never seen in the actual films, and they're not going to watch a show with seven seasons just to say "XYZ are still boring and flat in the films". Kenobi you can at least hack out in an afternoon.
It also has to be understood that their introduction to "Star Wars canon" was stuff like the Holiday Special and the Ewok films, not a show which takes advantage of the newer films lacking all characterisation and plot so that they can have a free hand to make something interesting.
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Finally got around to watching their Kenobi reviews.
While I was a little surprised and disappointed that they weren't entirely negative, it didn't make me angry because they never say it's a great show and I see that it actually DOES have some interesting moments (not that I plan on watching it because I just don't care enough), I dislike Disney Star Wars and the culture surrounding it as much as the next guy but one shouldn't just become a mirror image of the soyboys who unquestionably praise everything.
I'm also pretty impressed by how they got me thinking about Return of the Jedi, I never understood the dislike some people have for it but I can see now how it wastes the dynamic of Han, Luke and Leia that was so strong in the first film, Han and Leia are just kind of there, serving story purposes only and not really mattering much as far as their characters go.
It's also interesting with the clips they play of the Prequels to be reminded how pretty lame those movies are, I'm one of those people that tend to want to be more forgiving of them in light of Disney's Star Wars, but nah, if anything they've only aged to be even worse because all the CG and green screen shit looks so phenomenally fake whereas part of what made the OT magical was the tangibility, texture and believability they had.
But even if ROTJ is flawed, it's still 100 times better than what came later (including the Prequels), but the question is, why did George have such a hard time knocking it out of the park after the first two films?
While I was a little surprised and disappointed that they weren't entirely negative, it didn't make me angry because they never say it's a great show and I see that it actually DOES have some interesting moments (not that I plan on watching it because I just don't care enough), I dislike Disney Star Wars and the culture surrounding it as much as the next guy but one shouldn't just become a mirror image of the soyboys who unquestionably praise everything.
I'm also pretty impressed by how they got me thinking about Return of the Jedi, I never understood the dislike some people have for it but I can see now how it wastes the dynamic of Han, Luke and Leia that was so strong in the first film, Han and Leia are just kind of there, serving story purposes only and not really mattering much as far as their characters go.
It's also interesting with the clips they play of the Prequels to be reminded how pretty lame those movies are, I'm one of those people that tend to want to be more forgiving of them in light of Disney's Star Wars, but nah, if anything they've only aged to be even worse because all the CG and green screen shit looks so phenomenally fake whereas part of what made the OT magical was the tangibility, texture and believability they had.
But even if ROTJ is flawed, it's still 100 times better than what came later (including the Prequels), but the question is, why did George have such a hard time knocking it out of the park after the first two films?
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It's interesting to imagine the movie we might had gotten had Lucas been able to recruit Spielberg to direct RotJ (but was unable to because Lucas had flaunted the director's guild rules). It's not awful but it's definitely the weakest of the 3. It's not helped that Luke and Vader are the only ones to really have an arc in that film.
It is kind of funny how many people have compiled RLM's commentary.
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Where's my arc, George?
The RotJ commentary should be required reading for anyone talking about RLM's Star Wars opinions. It informs so much. Dare I say, I don't blame the people who haven't listened to it, it's hardly advertised and it is part of the expanded RLM universe, but still, it contextualises their opinions.
It's where they all solidified their view that it was becoming a dry and stale franchise, with the prequels confirming this (and causing Rich to just give up). Without RotJ RLM would probably have a lot more good will towards the prequels and we may not even have had the reviews and this thread.
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None of that is an excuse. Bad media is bad media. Hating on Lucas is one thing, but that doesn't mean Disney Wars is any better and in many ways, are much much worse than Lucas ever made.
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How many times does @Internet War Criminal need to post direct quotes from RLM videos?
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Until morale has improved.