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[KrewlKween]

I kept seeing what I thought was this movie advertised prominently on the HBO Max home page. Turns out I had the same retard moment as Mike and it was actually Moonshot they were advertising. Hopefully this is the death of the disaster porn genre for a while until they can come up with a fresh take on it. Humanity is still recovering from how much covid sucked, everyone is depressed and mad. The last thing anyone wants to see is "we're all going to die and *insert explosive reason here*. It's tired.

I feel like only RLM could get away with saying something offhand like if a disaster happened China would fuck off to their own corner of the world and help no one but themselves. Even if it's their fault or completely true for some reason people still get big mad about blaming China for anything. Lindsay Ellis was "canceled" and subsequently spiraled for less involving China.

 

[Hard Toothbrush]

Phil Plait

I just realized how old I am, thanks.

ID4 is great, the Milwaukee drunks can go fuck themselves.

 

[Dom Cruise]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=U8Wqvq3BrYg

Not enough was said about Darkman and we should change that.

Sam Raimi is an awesome filmmaker and makes me feel bad about my rising anti-Semitism.

But Jay mentions his intro to Raimi was Darkman, mine was watching Army of Darkness on the Sci Fi Channel circa 1999, I didn't know it was part of a series but I was really entertained, later I saw Darkman on cable around 2000 or 2001, I also remember watching The Quick and The Dead with a cousin around that same time.

I don't think I made the connection between Darkman, The Quick and The Dead and Army of Darkness when the first Spider-Man came out, I think it was Spider-Man itself that made me familiar with the name "Sam Raimi" but I was more aware of it all by Spider-Man 2.

On a side note, I basically forgot about his run of "mainstream" movie like A Simple Plan and For The Love of The Game, are those worth watching?

Sam Raimi is basically every film nerd's dream, he was just a blue collar guy basically that started off with homemade movies and was eventually making Hollywood films with big stars like Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman, it's really cool.

Now they REALLY need to do a Re:View on Sam Raimi's Crimewave, now THERE'S movie that needs more attention, it's in some ways a more pure dose of Raimi than even Evil Dead 2, they seem like they've never seen it and that's a real shame.

Seriously, if you haven't seen Crimewave, you should, it's completely fucking nuts.

On a side note, even though I don't remember this my mom tells me that when I was really little I was a fan of Bruce Campbell's The Adventures of Brisco County Jr, it's funny to think I would later become such a fan of his without even remembering that show.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I know classic, pre-60s era Hollywood has a big following, but for me personally live action filmmaking doesn't start to get really interesting until 2001: A Space Odyssey.

I think part of the problem is you haven't really looked too much into 60s and prior cinema, and also

I'm not saying you're wrong, just that those are my tastes, I've been meaning to see more classic cinema, Hitchcock is definitely impressive from what I've seen.

But focusing on just the last 54 years of cinema, we go from 2001: A Space Odyssey, Jaws, Close Encounters, the original Star Wars trilogy, Alien, Blade Runner and Raiders of The Lost Ark to... Armageddon, The Day After Tomorrow, Transformers and now the Woke era of Marvel and Star Wars? That's a pretty clear line of de-evolution, from brilliant, to dumb, to actively hateful and repellent, even dumb becomes preferable.

what it seems you like is movies, or flicks, not actual cinema.

You see, a lot of people would look at Jaws (the original blockbuster) as the beginning of the end. Star Wars? Movies for children where for maybe the first time, characters were created specifically with the idea of selling toys came first. Raiders of the Lost Ark? Again, popcorn flick.

That doesn't mean the movies I highlight are bad (aside from Star Wars), but they are not great movies. They are not higher culture.

If you look at the same era, you have The Godfather I/II, Chinatown, The French Connection, Alien, Night of the Living Dead, Rosemary's Baby, The Wild Bunch, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Midnight Cowboy, Apocalypse Now, Taxi Driver, Annie Hall, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Love and Death, and so many more.

There's nothing wrong with liking flicks or even shlock, after all I defended early Steven Seagal in this thread, and Independence Day. However you can't talk about the devolution of American Culture and present fucking Star Wars as some kind of pinnacle when in many ways it was the beginning of the end.

 

[SomethingProblematic]

Sam Raimi is an awesome filmmaker and makes me feel bad about my rising anti-Semitism.

You can like a jewish person while also hating "jews" in general. Just like how you can have black friends while also hating "blacks". From my experience at least, i've come to learn that most people aren't "racist" per-say, they just hate "labels". But what is a label? Jews, Gays, Blacks, Ect.

People are not the same, the color of your skin can-and will have an effect on your predisposition, but that's because of these "labels". You can say the majority of blacks are prone to violence, the majority of jews are greedy. But then you can also say the majority of people suck, the majority of blank is blank. But you can't rely on the "majority" of anything, because the majority will tend to group together and lose their individuality. While there is nothing wrong with likeminded individuals grouping together and bonding, there IS a problem with none asking questions, there IS a problem with none trying to use a new perspective. People who group together to hate a group of people, are in many ways the same as the group they hate.

The people who truly ARE racist, are the ones who think other races need to have benefits, to be treated differently, it's ironic really.

People need to stop using these labels and just talk to people as other human beings, not giving preferential treatment. Using their race or their religion as a topic of interest, not have their life revolve around it. I'm sorry for the sperging, but I spent alot of time hating other races, but some of my best friends i've made over the years are infact those races I held hate towards.

If someone self labels themselves as black, jewish, ect. and thinks that they need to act a certain way, or deserve certain benefits, than they are not a person to begin with. They are an idea...and you can't befriend an idea.

That aside, I found the moonfall episode to be great, especially when they bash jada.

 

[Mikoyan]

I just realized how old I am, thanks.

ID4 is great, the Milwaukee drunks can go fuck themselves.

It doesn't feel like it but then I thought back to when he was just a rando blogger and yeah it's been a while.

 

[ditto]

When the hell did the Independce Day backlash happen? Always thought it was a great movie.

You say that but I don't recall any negro astronauts back then!

Commies have got you fam. Not only a negro, but an indian, russian, asian, a woman and a bald!

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

When the hell did the Independce Day backlash happen? Always thought it was a great movie.

Commies have got you fam. Not only a negro, but an indian, russian, asian, a woman and a bald!
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Latest HITB episode was another movie by the guy who made ID4. Mike and Jay are on record that they don’t particularly like the movie.

 

[ditto]

Mike and Jay are on record that they don’t particularly like the movie.

Just suprised there's so many that don't like it. It's like suddenly hearing that a lot of people think Die Hard is too loud and boring.

I feel like only RLM could get away with saying something offhand like if a disaster happened China would fuck off to their own corner of the world and help no one but themselves.

Almost thought they were going there with covid.. but that would've been too much for mamma Susan.

 

[BScCollateral]

When the hell did the Independce Day backlash happen? Always thought it was a great movie.

Commies have got you fam. Not only a negro, but an indian, russian, asian, a woman and a bald!
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Also French, Japanese, Chinese, and even an American.
Note they had no idea how to light a black actor. It's not too bad in this shot, but in others his face can barely be seen at all.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

That aside, I found the moonfall episode to be great, especially when they bash jada.

Yeah they went hard on will smith it was hilarious

When the hell did the Independce Day backlash happen? Always thought it was a great movie.

When zoomers heard about it for some reason, apparently

It's like suddenly hearing that a lot of people think Die Hard is too loud and boring.

Oh fuck off tell me that's not a thing

 

[ditto]

Oh fuck off tell me that's not a thing

They've tried cancelling it as sexist for a few years now.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

I remember people making fun of Independence Day since its release.

Will Smith's "WELCOME TO EARFF!" and Jeff Goldblum uploading a virus to an alien computer using a Mac have been laughed at for decades.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

They've tried cancelling it as sexist for a few years now.

yeah but they try to cancel everything as sexist

I remember people making fun of Independence Day since its release.

Will Smith's "WELCOME TO EARFF!" and Jeff Goldblum uploading a virus to an alien computer using a Mac have been laughed at for decades.

people make fun of everything, how many jokes have you heard about die hard? doesn't mean it's not a beloved movie either

 

[Tor Lugosi]

people make fun of everything, how many jokes have you heard about die hard? doesn't mean it's not a beloved movie either

Sure, but Die Hard also gets a lot of genuine praise. Anyone I know who likes Independence Day usually goes, "yeah, it's a dumb movie but it's pretty entertaining" or something along those lines.

 

[ddlloo]

People unironically watch Die Hard as a seasonal film around Christmas, never heard of a similar phenomena for ID4 and it's analogous holiday.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

People unironically watch Die Hard as a seasonal film around Christmas, never heard of a similar phenomena for ID4 and it's analogous holiday.

Of course no one does that








It's a July 4th movie, nigga

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

People unironically watch Die Hard as a seasonal film around Christmas, never heard of a similar phenomena for ID4 and it's analogous holiday.

I did when I was a kid.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

I think part of the problem is you haven't really looked too much into 60s and prior cinema, and also


what it seems you like is movies, or flicks, not actual cinema.

You see, a lot of people would look at Jaws (the original blockbuster) as the beginning of the end. Star Wars? Movies for children where for maybe the first time, characters were created specifically with the idea of selling toys came first. Raiders of the Lost Ark? Again, popcorn flick.

That doesn't mean the movies I highlight are bad (aside from Star Wars), but they are not great movies. They are not higher culture.

If you look at the same era, you have The Godfather I/II, Chinatown, The French Connection, Alien, Night of the Living Dead, Rosemary's Baby, The Wild Bunch, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Midnight Cowboy, Apocalypse Now, Taxi Driver, Annie Hall, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Love and Death, and so many more.

There's nothing wrong with liking flicks or even shlock, after all I defended early Steven Seagal in this thread, and Independence Day. However you can't talk about the devolution of American Culture and present fucking Star Wars as some kind of pinnacle when in many ways it was the beginning of the end.

The pre-70s era contains cinemascope masterpieces like Gone with the Wind, Lawrence of Arabia, Cleopatra, etc. big screen musicals, Sergio Leone's spaghetti westerns, The Wizard of Oz, Casablanca, Noir films, Sunset Boulevard, the Apartment, Roman Holiday. I know watching black and white movies might give you a headache, but give "Some Like it Hot" or Double Indemnity" a try. Tackle some pre-code films like Freaks, or some Universal monster movies. The uncut King Kong was a lot more disturbing than I remember it when watching it as a kid. Give some old things a try and you may be surprised with what they were able to get away with back then.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

The pre-70s era contains cinemascope masterpieces like Gone with the Wind, Lawrence of Arabia, Cleopatra, etc. big screen musicals, Sergio Leone's spaghetti westerns, The Wizard of Oz, Casablanca, Noir films, Sunset Boulevard, the Apartment, Roman Holiday. I know watching black and white movies might give you a headache, but give "Some Like it Hot" or Double Indemnity" a try. Tackle some pre-code films like Freaks, or some Universal monster movies. The uncut King Kong was a lot more disturbing than I remember it when watching it as a kid. Give some old things a try and you may be surprised with what they were able to get away with back then.

Yeah you didn't quote the right person I was the one arguing that 30s to early 60s was a much superior era of cinema and American culture then after.