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Seems like a minor nitpick compared to everything else wrong with this show, but Picard--and Stewart came from a generation--wouldn't just bring up a woman's age to her face. It's not classy nor is it faithful to the character either. So writing those lines are just terrible in every conceivable way.

Everything about Picard seems to not understand the original tone or even the world of Star Trek TNG so I'm not surprised faithful character writing is low on their list of priorities.

What's equally amazing and distressing is that Stewart seems AOK with it all.

 

[starborn427614]

What's equally amazing and distressing is that Stewart seems AOK with it all.

Isn't he on record as not really caring about Picard's character? I know we all think of him as Picard in real life but he's just a regular guy.

 

[draggs]

In an interview from 2020 Patrick Stewart said that they considered Jean-Luc Picard having a French accent and somewhere in the Paramount archives is tape of him doing the intro in a terrible French accent and I want to hear it so bad.

Speez. Zee finuhl frahnteer. Zees ah thuh voy-ahhges awv zee stuhsheep entuhpreez...

 

[Megaroad 2012]

What's equally amazing and distressing is that Stewart seems AOK with it all.

Star Trek was always just a paid vacation to him.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

In an interview from 2020 Patrick Stewart said that they considered Jean-Luc Picard having a French accent and somewhere in the Paramount archives is tape of him doing the intro in a terrible French accent and I want to hear it so bad.

Speez. Zee finuhl frahnteer. Zees ah thuh voy-ahhges awv zee stuhsheep entuhpreez...

 

[Felis Meanis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhi-YAkz2vk

So Mike and Jay are great fans of Midnight Mass. I, on the other hand, lasted until about episode 4, before I skimmed through the last 3 episodes to see how it all ended. Midnight Mass was simply an underwhelming experience for me. No, it's not because "the monologues were boring", as RLM strawmans about, even though I certainly despised most of the monologues for being inane. Rather, it's because the whole show was just an uninteresting slog, save for some interesting plot points which were never expanded upon nearly as much as they should have been, such as

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Riley killing the young girl while drunk driving

... and I'm otherwise someone who for the most part find religious discussion interesting. The only redeeming points of the show are the characters Joe Collie, his beautiful dog Pike, who

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the disgusting cunt Bev poisoned

... Riley Flynn and John Pruitt. Also, true to current year, the voice of reason against the evil and superstitious catholic church are the muslim immigrants, because of course they are. I'm not even religious or anything, but the way

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the muslim nonsensically starts to bitch and moan about racism out of nowhere in one scene, never to have the subject brought up again, and how the doctor of the island just has to be an outspoken lesbian together with an obese nigger

... is just so tiresome. And don't even get me started on the

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vampire thing.

It's definitely a Netflix production, much to its detriment. It's far from being the most terrible thing out there, but it's nowhere near as good as RLM makes it out to be. It's disappointing to see what I otherwise consider to be good and sensible film critics praise terribly mediocre and dumb slop such as this.

Has anyone else seen Midnight Mass? What did you think?

 

[byuu]

No, it's not because "the monologues were boring", as RLM strawmans about
... certainly despised most of the monologues for being inane
....the whole show was just an uninteresting slog

Sounds very much like you didn't like it because you thought the monologues were boring.
That and it had a Muslim and a Lesbian in it.

If you think this was some woke fedora tipping attack on the Church then you missed the point completely.

 

[Felis Meanis]

If you think this was some woke fedora tipping attack on the Church then you missed the point completely.

I didn't, but it certainly didn't help to include those things either. I disliked it because the premise held much promise, but was brought down entirely by woke politics, shallow commentary on religion and tribalism, and a painfully unoriginal inclusion of contemporary

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popculture horror, such as vampirism.

Are you a furry?

 

[byuu]

I didn't, but it certainly didn't help to include those things either.

Yes, why would a show that's entirely about people dealing with death include things like faith and ways to cheat death.
Crazy.

Are you a furry?

It's a requirement for becoming an emulator developer.

 

[Felis Meanis]

Yes, why would a show that's entirely about people dealing with death include things like faith and ways to cheat death.
Crazy.

You mean to say that I should have taken it as a fedora tipping attack on the church in order to justify its purported message? I've already told you that my problem with the theme of religious faith in the show is that it's shallow and steeped in wokeism. You're rambling nonsense.

It's a requirement for becoming an emulator developer.

Well that explains it then.

 

[byuu]

You mean to say that I should have taken it as a fedora tipping attack on the church in order to justify its purported message? I've already told you that my problem with the theme of religious faith in the show is that it's one-sided, shallow and steeped in wokeism. You're rambling nonsense.

Tell me how the show even attacked religion.

The show made it very clear that they're just butchering the words of the bible to justify their insane actions they do out of their own personal reasons.
There's really no reason to get triggered over that.

 

[Felis Meanis]

Tell me how the show even attacked religion.

The show made it very clear that they're just butchering the words of the bible to justify their insane actions they do out of their own personal reasons.
There's really no reason to get triggered over that.

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It very much didn't; that's my point. It's shown that John Pruitt utilizes biblical sermons as a radicalizing tool, but never once is the critique of radicalization through religion, specifically the Catholic church, juxtaposed against a message which demonstrates that religion can be a vehicle for virtue (the only exception would be Rileys message to Pruitt in the end to remember that we all come from dust, and to dust shall return). In other words, it's not shown that biblical messages are distorted, as you claim. Riley Flynn says that he examinated every single religion on Earth while in jail, and came out staunchly atheist. Erin Greene rejects Christian doctrine as well, ultimately embracing some form of Buddhistic/Hinduistic view on impermanence and/or singularity. It's heavily implied that atheism, or Buddhism, is the only sensible philosophies on philosophical questions about the world and our place in it, with Islam coming in as close second. As is always the case, Christianity is playing the role of the villain. I don't have a problem with this at its core per se, seeing as I'm agnostic myself, and otherwhise have a great respect for Buddhist thought for example, but the problem is as always the obvious stench of current year intention (the muslim Sherrifs wife displayed dignity through her unwavering faith in Islam, you see, which is something that is never extended to the followers of the church on the island) permeating the message and the boorish way in which its concocted.

Worse, the monologues aren't bad because they're long; they're bad because they're inane and largely superfluous. Furthermore, the interesting premises, such as the ramifications of the horror in the killing of the girl through drunk driving for example, are never examinated properly, and much potential is lost, giving way to ridiculous nonsense about unoriginal vampires and such. It's just a mediocre show that pissed away much of its potential in order to cater to wokeism and shallow critique of religion. On top of it all, obese lesbian niggers are shown to be virtuous merely by their inclusion. It's all just very disappointing.

There's really no reason to get triggered over that.

I'm afraid that if anyone here is triggered, it's you.

 

[byuu]

It very much didn't; that's my point.

So you don't like it because it didn't attack the church?

 

[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

Tell me how the show even attacked religion.

By existing. Any depiction of Christianity in the mass media is negative even if your zogpilled brain can't see it.

"But they don't insult Christianity, they even show how good some Christians are!"

Yeah and they fill the same show with "good trannies" and "good negroes". They're just trying to confuse you and lead you away from God. With you it's working. Me, I don't watch TV.

 

[Felis Meanis]

So you don't like it because it didn't attack the church?

Are you dense? I don't like it because it's shallow, one-sided, pretentious and overall painfully mediocre and boring.

 

[byuu]

Are you dense? I don't like it because it's shallow, one-sided, pretentious and overall painfully mediocre and boring.

Yet all you keep talking about how it's woke.

, but never once is the critique of radicalization through religion, specifically the Catholic

That's not what the show is about at all. It's about DEATH.
The island is DYING. People are desperate for a miracle to try to save it. That's why the bad things in the show happen.
They don't happen because of the church.
It's not the Catholic church doing this, it only serves as an excuse.

juxtaposed against a message which demonstrates that religion can be a vehicle for virtue

Like keeping the island together for years with the "dead priest" that everyone liked and respected?
Or like saving the drunk?

t's heavily implied that atheism, or Buddhism, is the only sensible philosophies on philosophical questions about the world and our place in it, with Islam coming in as close second

Where the fuck does that happen? Islam only serves to make the cop an outsider. And it was a death that pushed him into becoming a devout muslim.
Just like death pushed Riley into atheism. And the Christians further into the church.
Are you sensing a theme here?

As is always the case, Christianity is playing the role of the villain

It doesn't. Christianity is not the villain. It is not what motivates anyone to do the bad things they do.

 

[Flexo]

Yet all you keep talking about how it's woke

I was finding yall's debate interesting with both of you making decent points up until this. @Australianbirdfruit had literally 2 sentences out of like 40 relating to wokeness - hardly "all [they] are talking about."

If anything the fruit is clear that the wokeness is merely a symptom. You could take out the lesbians and most of his points would still stand.

 

[Felis Meanis]

Spoilers ahead, because I'm lazy and can't be bothered with the spoiler tag.

Yet all you keep talking about how it's woke.

I'm sorry your reading comprehension is severely impaired.

That's not what the show is about at all. It's about DEATH.
The island is DYING. People are desperate for a miracle to try to save it. That's why the bad things in the show happen.
They don't happen because of the church.
It's not the Catholic church doing this, it only serves as an excuse.

Yes, the vain wish for a miracle to save them from death through religion, for which the church act as an obvious culprit of dangerous and radicalizing temptation.

Like keeping the island together for years with the "dead priest" that everyone liked and respected?
Or like saving the drunk?

The admiration of John Pruitt was shown to be almost cult like, as is only befitting the leader of a Christian congregation in current year, of course. Furthermore, Bev choose to exploit the islands inhabitants reluctance to admit Pruitts dementia by tacitly overtaking his administration over the church, convincing the inhabitants to accept the oil companys settlement, and for them to donate said money to the church, for her benefit (the church being "like a tick sucking itself fat on blood", as Riley says in his commentary about the church in general). How very church-like. And when did the inhabitants ever save the drunk? Do you mean "save" as in that they didn't outright excommunicate Joe Collie? Talk about stretching it.

Where the fuck does that happen? Islam only serves to make the cop an outsider. And it was a death that pushed him into becoming a devout muslim.
Just like death pushed Riley into atheism. And the Christians further into the church.
Are you sensing a theme here?

Islam doesn't serve to make the cop an outsider: the sheriffs suffrage through evil hwhite mans evil racism forced him out on the island, and while being there he wouldn't set his foot in a church as it was beneath his faith, despite the inhabitants wanting him there, not necessarily as a believer, but as part of the collective. When his son is drawn to the church's increasing fervor of belief in miracles, the sheriff very distraught that his son would abandon the muslim faith (the final, and thus correct, message from God, as he says). The mother had paid with her life to stand up for "her dignity" and honor (how very muslim-like), and his son shall not defile her noble sacrifice by flirting with the church. His heroic role overall, and nonsensical monologue about hwhite mans racism out of nowhere in one of the later episodes (something even self-professed "progressives" claim to be bewildered about in other forums such as moviechat.org), is further serving to cement the islamic faith as being somehow more reasonable and grounded. It's almost admirable how you can claim to have seen the show yet still come out of the experience not having been able to read the scenes beyond the most surface level.

It doesn't. Christianity is not the villain. It is not what motivates anyone to do the bad things they do.

I'd argue it's heavily implied to be the main villain. There are far too many distinct undertones for this not to be the case. Had they treated all faiths with equal amount of criticism for nurturing unreasonable and potentially dangerous beliefs, I would have not had an issue whatsoever.

Still, the TV-series biggest sin is that it's boorish and mediocre, as I've said many times already. Your fixation on my criticism of wokeness is telling of your degeneracy as a furry.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

why cant they make a star trek series about wesly crusher going off with the traveler.

Plot twist the traveler is a chomo groomer.

Plot summary: the Alpha Quadrant is threatened by a mysterious spatial anomaly that turns out to be Wil Wheaton's galactically distended anus.

Picard is just TNG 2 Electric Boogalo

TNG was already running out of steam in 1993/4, they were lucky enough and talented enough to end the show on a high note, another season would've been worse and the movies are mostly garbage. Idk why they weren't able to replicate the success of the TOS movies, but those felt like a cosy space adventure with old friends while the TNG films were just dumb or boring.

I can't get over how old Patrick Stewart is. He looks like he's about to die (because he is), but what's worse is his sepulchral senile old man voice. The guy can no longer act, it's just embarrassing, like a bewildered daycare resident being forced to participate in a play or they won't get their painkillers and prune juice.

Christopher Lee and Bill Shatner still had enough vitality and screen presence in their early 80's, and Leonard Nimoy retained enough gravitas to play Spock at that age, but Stewart has lost it. He should be enjoying his final years playing with his grandkids and sipping G&T's on a yacht instead of doing this shit, which I don't think anybody is even watching except to farm hateclicks on YouTube reaction videos. Star Trek: Picard is just elder abuse.

 

[northstar747]

Plot summary: the Alpha Quadrant is threatened by a mysterious spatial anomaly that turns out to be Wil Wheaton's galactically distended anus.


TNG was already running out of steam in 1993/4, they were lucky enough and talented enough to end the show on a high note, another season would've been worse and the movies are mostly garbage. Idk why they weren't able to replicate the success of the TOS movies, but those felt like a cosy space adventure with old friends while the TNG films were just dumb or boring.

I think mike pointed out that their will never be a movie lie Star trek: The motion picture. which was slow burn.

It really was Star Trek II WOK. that was a shot in the arm.

The passing of the torch that was generations sucked.

But I liked First Contact,

Insurrection and Nemesis

Yeah not so good.