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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

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  • Colin (Canadian #1)

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    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

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Captain Manning said:
Yeah, but in the case of the prequels they were specifically arguing against the writer/director method though. They opined that Abrams could direct a fine Star wars movie but, dear God, don't let him write one.

Unless, if they're that married to that method, they basically indirectly saying Abrams shouldn't have been involved at all.
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No, they were using whatever method they can to own Lucas, not be intellectually honest. That's how they can say Star Trek 09 is a good movie despite the evidence of it being bad. It's the same with their TFA review where the Pinkett review doesn't even talk about TFA as a movie on its own merits.

They were playing favorites with Bad Robot media and the results is the destruction of both Star Trek and Wars.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
No, they were using whatever method they can to own Lucas, not be intellectually honest. That's how they can say Star Trek 09 is a good movie despite the evidence of it being bad. It's the same with their TFA review where the Pinkett review doesn't even talk about TFA as a movie on its own merits.

They were playing favorites with Bad Robot media and the results is the destruction of both Star Trek and Wars.
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The talismanic, nearly divine power to destroy franchises some dummies attribute to a trio of schlubs from Milwaukee never ceases to amaze me.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
No, they were using whatever method they can to own Lucas, not be intellectually honest. That's how they can say Star Trek 09 is a good movie despite the evidence of it being bad. It's the same with their TFA review where the Pinkett review doesn't even talk about TFA as a movie on its own merits.

They were playing favorites with Bad Robot media and the results is the destruction of both Star Trek and Wars.
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star trek 2009 is a classic C level performance in a franchise full of D level performances and it also came out before people had really gotten tired of the dybbuk box style of writing that jj abrams leans on as a crutch. i think it still holds up as decent schlock, better than half of the existing star wars movies, but it has the same problem a lot of stuff written by jews in the postmodern era does where its too willing to criticize its own framework for success and ends up compromising its own integrity. it would be a glaringly bad movie in the franchise if the franchise didn't have movies like Nemesis
 
big pauper said:
star trek 2009 is a classic C level performance in a franchise full of D level performances and it also came out before people had really gotten tired of the dybbuk box style of writing that jj abrams leans on as a crutch. i think it still holds up as decent schlock, better than half of the existing star wars movies, but it has the same problem a lot of stuff written by jews in the postmodern era does where its too willing to criticize its own framework for success and ends up compromising its own integrity. it would be a glaringly bad movie in the franchise if the franchise didn't have movies like Nemesis
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At this point, Nemesis is a better movie than 09. 09 is the source of all Bad Robot Trek. You can't get Picard or STD without the groundwork of 09. It's also a movie that RLM said is good. Same with Beyond and TFA. Because they were, in fact, playing favorites with Bad Robot instead of doing their jobs as critics.

Fact is JJ Abrams is a worse director than Lucas. Worse writer too just for writing "Nav can't tell which way is up." And when he's not writing, Alex Kurtzman is.
 
Flexo said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FRNHpX5_Ek8You've got to be a special kind of autistic to see a metaphor comparing the Trek 09 to a rape in a filthy alley as "saying it is a good movie."
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much like a woman at a bar, they give off mixed messages. on one hand they do this, on the other they will say in random conversations that it was a good movie. RLM doesnt seem to know what they think of trek 09.
 
Neo-Nazi Rich Evans said:
much like a woman at a bar, they give off mixed messages. on one hand they do this, on the other they will say in random conversations that it was a good movie. RLM doesnt seem to know what they think of trek 09.
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Which conversation? And how sure are we that it wasn't a bit or sarcasm like Nerd Crew?

Has everyone on the Internet forgotten their dry wit style?
 
Flexo said:
You've got to be a special kind of autistic to see a metaphor comparing Trek 09 to a rape in a filthy alley as "saying it is a good movie."
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It's the same kind of autism that leads one to opine Nemesis is better than Star Trek '09 because the latter had a worse effect on the franchise ... while overlooking the fact that Nemesis was such a disaster that it killed the idea of ever doing another movie with the TNG cast again, ever, Picard season 3 notwithstanding. It arguably killed the franchise as a whole, with Enterprise crashing and burning just three years later, thus setting the stage for graverobbers like Kurtzman and Abrams to try to "reboot" it.
 
They had rose coloured glasses on with 09. It passed the low bar of being good enough that the IP would continue to be used, which gave them bountiful hope and optimism even if the film itself wasn't really spiritually star trek. They just didn't know at the time that everything to come would stray even further.
 
ddlloo said:
They had rose coloured glasses on with 09. It passed the low bar of being good enough that the IP would continue to be used, which gave them bountiful hope and optimism even if the film itself wasn't really spiritually star trek. They just didn't know at the time that everything to come would stray even further.
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It's similar to what happened with The Force Awakens. You had something that was passable, unsuspecting of the horrors that were around the corner.
 
Mola Ram said:
It's the same kind of autism that leads one to opine Nemesis is better than Star Trek '09 because the latter had a worse effect on the franchise ... while overlooking the fact that Nemesis was such a disaster that it killed the idea of ever doing another movie with the TNG cast again, ever, Picard season 3 notwithstanding. It arguably killed the franchise as a whole, with Enterprise crashing and burning just three years later, thus setting the stage for graverobbers like Kurtzman and Abrams to try to "reboot" it.
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Yeah without Nemesis, there is no '09.
 
Flexo said:
Yeah without Nemesis, there is no '09.
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I still remember walking out of Nemesis with a couple of Trekkie friends, all of us in horrified silence. About ten minutes after leaving the theatre, one of my buddies burst out, "Star Wars fans have nothing to complain about!"

Nu-Trek as a whole is undoubtedly worse, but for my money Nemesis is the absolute nadir of Trek from 1966-2005, even worse than such howlers as Spock's Brain or Threshold.
 
Neo-Nazi Rich Evans said:
much like a woman at a bar, they give off mixed messages. on one hand they do this, on the other they will say in random conversations that it was a good movie. RLM doesnt seem to know what they think of trek 09.
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And then watch the conclusion where they say that it's like good Rock music. They make jokes, but they liked it.
Mola Ram said:
It's similar to what happened with The Force Awakens. You had something that was passable, unsuspecting of the horrors that were around the corner.
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Except neither movie was passable. They were both mystery boxes where they imagined something else instead of the content therein. According to JJ, mystery is more important than knowledge. His problem is he himself didn't know where his movies were going, so when he was called to finish threads he set up, "somehow Palpatine returned."

RLM's problem is falling for mystery box storytelling and not doing their jobs as critics because of Lucas derangement syndrome.
 
Flexo said:
Which conversation? And how sure are we that it wasn't a bit or sarcasm like Nerd Crew?

Has everyone on the Internet forgotten their dry wit style?
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it wasnt dry wit. the conversations were jsut random times when they would speak on it, such as a BoTW discussion and it gets brought up. please dont ask me where in the 1000+ hours of BoTW content this happens as i cant pin point it.
 
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