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[Cryogonal2]

It's that it has made the whole "anti DEI" side look like a bunch of desperate no life consoomers.

My nigga have you taken a look in the mirror lately

 

[Well Intentioned]

I don't know what creative changeup could've happened to The Boys to have much of an impact, Erik Kripke has been the creator and showrunner since the start. Also has had the same three or four writers writing the bulk of the episodes.

I'm just repeating what someone else on the Farms mentioned in another thread. I did find S1 and S2 to be vastly different and didn't bother with it since.

 

[Well Intentioned]

Dude, the Plinkett reviews are not even a percent of their total content output.

And even then, they weren't annoying and gay. What part of this don't you get?

My problem with Fandom Menace faggotry isn't the idea that it helped Disney or something. It's that it has made the whole "anti DEI" side look like a bunch of desperate no life consoomers.

Yeah, to add to this.

The Plinkett reviews were offering up a form of critique while explaining why the movies sucked.

Most of this culture war stuff I see is just variants of 'Kathleen Kennedy is Satan. She's ruining Star Wars with woke bullshit. Did you see they cast a BLACK WOMAN?'

It's why I detest mongoloids like Quarterpounder or Ralph, who got his start doing that sort of shit. If there's dudes out there who aren't just going 'women bad' or whatever and actually doing some interesting critiques rather than just shitting their pants, then they're obviously not the folks I'm talking about, but I'm skeptical that there are folks out there like that.

 

[Midwit]

I don't know what creative changeup could've happened to The Boys to have much of an impact, Erik Kripke has been the creator and showrunner since the start.

My assumption was that season 1 was massively popular so they changed the direction of the series in order to keep it running as long as possible which is why season 2 was nothing but spinning tyres.

 

[Tepes Thot]

If there's dudes out there who aren't just going 'women bad' or whatever and actually doing some interesting critiques rather than just shitting their pants

I’m sorry but I see this cop out generalization all the time and it’s just bullshit.

I can see if you’re tired of people breaking down over and over again that they’re sick of leftist changes to canon and leftist messaging, but stop with the all they say “oh my god a woman on da screen!!”. At best, that’s a minority of even the most annoying of that faction.

These writers, directors, producers, CEOs, and actors tells us time and time again they do it for political reasons. So what else can you say when a dumb change is made for political reasons? These characters aren’t anything more than the gay, the black, the woman, etc. There’s no way to critique them without staying on the surface because there’s literally NOTHING ELSE. That’s the whole problem.

 

[I'm a Silly]

I’m sorry but I see this cop out generalization all the time and it’s just bullshit.

I can see if you’re tired of people breaking down over and over again that they’re sick of leftist changes to canon and leftist messaging, but stop with the all they say “oh my god a woman on da screen!!”. At best, that’s a minority of even the most annoying of that faction.

These writers, directors, producers, CEOs, and actors tells us time and time again they do it for political reasons. So what else can you say when a dumb change is made for political reasons? These characters aren’t anything more than the gay, the black, the woman, etc. There’s no way to critique them without staying on the surface because there’s literally NOTHING ELSE. That’s the whole problem.

You're right about the minority, but the minority is specifically what @Well Intentioned mentioned by name; those two [esp. in my memory Quarterpounder] got noticed for being weird about women.

 

[Flexo]

I’m sorry but I see this cop out generalization all the time and it’s just bullshit.

I can see if you’re tired of people breaking down over and over again that they’re sick of leftist changes to canon and leftist messaging, but stop with the all they say “oh my god a woman on da screen!!”. At best, that’s a minority of even the most annoying of that faction.

These writers, directors, producers, CEOs, and actors tells us time and time again they do it for political reasons. So what else can you say when a dumb change is made for political reasons? These characters aren’t anything more than the gay, the black, the woman, etc. There’s no way to critique them without staying on the surface because there’s literally NOTHING ELSE. That’s the whole problem.

Yeah, I mean several of the channels will go into autistic detail over why the story and characters are failing, how one event in a late episode contradicts the events in another episode and so on.

Then everybody complains about "I don't want to watch multi hour long videos!" Well then... you can shush.

Though it has been interesting all the videos going over the post-game interviews with Leslye Headland. One highlighted this question from an interviewer.


As pointed out in the video comments:


So I have been having some fun watching the revelations of just how psychotic Hollywood apparently is.

 

[The Cunting Death]

Nigga, I don't even care about Fandom Menace bullshit. Chris Gore has ALWAYS been a faggot since the inception of Film Threat in the 90's. Do your research you schmuck.

Anyone remember this piece of shit he made?

Only funny thing about it is Bob Odenkirk's cameo in it.

 

[Tepes Thot]

You're right about the minority, but the minority is specifically what @Well Intentioned mentioned by name; those two [esp. in my memory Quarterpounder] got noticed for being weird about women.

But it’s rarely ever just contained to losers like Jeremy. It’s this sweeping statement made or implied by people (like RLM to bring the topic closer to thread subject).

And it’s kind of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Look at Drinker who recommends things like that Netflix haunted house show with the lesbian plot line, or who says he doesn’t think GOW Ragnarok was done with woke intent, and he still gets raked by the same types as a grifter for it.

Or EFAP where you can almost feel Mauler trying to physically keep the content away from woke posting.

I have my disagreements with these people, some I just don’t jive with at all, but I at least try to look at it honestly instead of the big stamp of “they don’t like the new stuff, INCEL!!”

Yeah, I mean several of the channels will go into autistic detail over why the story and characters are failing, how one event in a late episode contradicts the events in another episode and so on.

Then everybody complains about "I don't want to watch multi hour long videos!" Well then... you can shush.

Though it has been interesting all the videos going over the post-game interviews with Leslye Headland. One highlighted this question from an interviewer.
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As pointed out in the video comments:
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So I have been having some fun watching the revelations of just how psychotic Hollywood apparently is.

Wow that’s…pretty bad. And this lady used to be Harvey Weinstein’s personal assistant so reading with that in mind, she sounds even sicker.

I think another factor that gets lost is, who the fuck wants to be preached to about morality by Hollywood? How many rapists does anyone in this thread know and tolerate personally? Now, how many do Hollywood elites know + tolerate (and probably are one themselves)?

 

[BrunoMattei]

Anyone remember this piece of shit he made?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fvipnU9IjzM
Only funny thing about it is Bob Odenkirk's cameo in it.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2F8e29UMlyI

During the early days of Film Threat, Chris Gore distributed a few films on tape namely Hated: GG Allin and the Murder Junkies and Nekromantik. These were not professional tapes but home made with the old 2 VCR method and he refused to refund customers who received broken tapes.

 

[Well Intentioned]

I’m sorry but I see this cop out generalization all the time and it’s just bullshit.

I can see if you’re tired of people breaking down over and over again that they’re sick of leftist changes to canon and leftist messaging, but stop with the all they say “oh my god a woman on da screen!!”. At best, that’s a minority of even the most annoying of that faction.

These writers, directors, producers, CEOs, and actors tells us time and time again they do it for political reasons. So what else can you say when a dumb change is made for political reasons? These characters aren’t anything more than the gay, the black, the woman, etc. There’s no way to critique them without staying on the surface because there’s literally NOTHING ELSE. That’s the whole problem.

The Plinkett review of Ghostbusters does a pretty good job at tearing down why the movie sucked a dick while barely referencing women/woke/whatever. I don't really see that sort of level of discourse from retards like Jeremy Hambeast where he spent literal months screeching about Brie Larson.

You can tear down a bad movie for being a bad movie, even if it is/was motivated by stupid reasons.

And it’s kind of damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Look at Drinker who recommends things like that Netflix haunted house show with the lesbian plot line, or who says he doesn’t think GOW Ragnarok was done with woke intent, and he still gets raked by the same types as a grifter for it.

Or EFAP where you can almost feel Mauler trying to physically keep the content away from woke posting.

I have my disagreements with these people, some I just don’t jive with at all, but I at least try to look at it honestly instead of the big stamp of “they don’t like the new stuff, INCEL!!”

Again, if there are folks who are doing deep dives and actually coming up with meaningful critiques, I'm clearly not talking about them and I don't think Vin Diesel was either.

Geeks and Gamers, for example, said that they only do the anti-Disney videos for the views. That sounds like grifter bullshit to me. The Fandom Menace folks were also not big fans of Brie Larson and took it to Quarterpounder levels. I think Hambeast was even trying to rub shoulders with them around the time that Gina Carano was kicked off the Mandalorian.

I really dislike that sort of shit on both sides of the aisle. The folks who go 'Ethan voted for Trump, he BAD' are just as insufferable to me.

 

[Flexo]

Guess who shows up at the 2 min mark in EmpLemon's latest? Go on. Guess!

 

[Tepes Thot]

The Plinkett review of Ghostbusters does a pretty good job at tearing down why the movie sucked a dick while barely referencing women/woke/whatever. I don't really see that sort of level of discourse from retards like Jeremy Hambeast where he spent literal months screeching about Brie Larson.

You can tear down a bad movie for being a bad movie, even if it is/was motivated by stupid reasons.

Yeah and that’s one way to approach it, but it shouldn’t be the only way. If your character is a stereotype or a puppet who’s meant to be there just so the writers can brag about putting a *insert identity* in, or be their mouthpiece, it’s ridiculous to walk past that and say “oh it’s only not enjoyable because a boom mic showed, or the costumes were cheap.”

That’s like trying to speak on what went wrong when old Hollywood began to fail, without covering the Hays Code and how stifling it was.

I’m not defending Jeremy or G&G, just saying they’re used as a cudgel by disingenuous people trying to pretend the entertainment industry isn’t pushing a very specific belief system at all costs, to attack the bulk of people who see it and call it out.

 

[I'm a Silly]

Yeah and that’s one way to approach it, but it shouldn’t be the only way. If your character is a stereotype or a puppet who’s meant to be there just so the writers can brag about putting a *insert identity* in, or be their mouthpiece, it’s ridiculous to walk past that and say “oh it’s only not enjoyable because a boom mic showed, or the costumes were cheap.”

That’s like trying to speak on what went wrong when old Hollywood began to fail, without covering the Hays Code and how stifling it was.

I’m not defending Jeremy or G&G, just saying they’re used as a cudgel by disingenuous people trying to pretend the entertainment industry isn’t pushing a very specific belief system at all costs, to attack the bulk of people who see it and call it out.

I'd liken it to the problem of Alex Jones being the most popular voice to question the Sandy Hook shitshow. Everything about him makes legitimate critique look retarded.

 

[Well Intentioned]

I’m not defending Jeremy or G&G, just saying they’re used as a cudgel by disingenuous people trying to pretend the entertainment industry isn’t pushing a very specific belief system at all costs, to attack the bulk of people who see it and call it out.

I'd argue it's a mix of trend chasing, white guilt overcompensation, and idiots who rose to heights they shouldn't have.

Back in the 90s there were a bunch of films about slackers/Gen X (Reality Bites, Slacker, Singles, etc.) as well as a bunch of films about AIDS (Philadelphia, Kids, Boys on the Side, etc.) Hell, there was a bunch of mushy feel-good shite, too.

The minute it becomes unprofitable and/or the tax incentives/grants/etc go away this shit is going to die off. We're already starting to see DEI initiatives falter, as companies are starting to slowly bow out.

The bigger issue, in my mind, are all the megacorporations who have their tendrils in everything. Used to be music was kept (mostly) separate from video games which were (mostly) separate from books which were, etc, etc.

Yes, there was overlap, but it's one of those things that is bizarrely paradoxical to me. There's never been more opportunities to discover/find new media, yet it's all huddled under the same few tents. We live in a world where Taylor Swift has reached heights Michael Jackson, the 'King of Pop' could never have hoped to achieve, and yet I could go days, weeks, months without hearing a single note of her shite.

And to be clear: I do think that criticism of that sort of shit is warranted. It's sickening how often we're seeing studios use misogyny (or whatever) as a shield to bludgeon valid criticism. But if all you're focusing on is just that, it looks and sounds really disingenuous. I'm asking because I really don't watch these guys and it seems like you do, but do they do other shit like what RLM does? By that I mean stuff like BotW or Re:view, where they either talk about stuff they like or just dredge up some random ass shit? Going back to Hambeast, he's incredibly one-note and, even if I do agree with his viewpoints (which I don't), it's fucking tiring.

EDIT: And when Quarterpounder does do 'other' stuff, like streaming, it's incredibly anti-entertaining, low energy and doesn't last very long. Even RLM got blowback when they started doing Half in the Bag and it's addressed in the Indiana Jones review IIRC.

 

[Akerman]

I’m sorry but I see this cop out generalization all the time and it’s just bullshit.

I can see if you’re tired of people breaking down over and over again that they’re sick of leftist changes to canon and leftist messaging, but stop with the all they say “oh my god a woman on da screen!!”. At best, that’s a minority of even the most annoying of that faction.

It has nothing to do with gender, it's Hollywood elitists who think they are better than you because they are rich and successful. They see themselves as "thought leaders" who need to make art to lead the plebeians' discourse & politics, which takes it's forms in groundless aesthetic idpol because they don't want to actually advocate for something that damns them as a group. Only for stuff that is harmless to them while also making them look good in the process. Just look at how the people behind nu-Trek justified the changes, it's all self-righteous snobbery reflecting exactly what I am saying here.

They aren't exactly hiding why they make this shit, yet the problem with Nerderotic or that Drinker guy is they think they are coming from a genuinely ideological place ("The Message"), when it actually isn't. If it was they would give up their wealth and live an ascetic life of service. They don't, so all they are actually doing is creating a minstrel show version of social art from an immensely privileged & arrogant position with the sole intent of raising themselves above the rest. Their goal is not to create genuine art, it's to serve their egos and as such it always misses the mark.

Spoiler: To not clog up the page

I think this shit goes deeper too. The psychology that drives their behavior is actually deep insecurity, the same thing that motivates billionaires to 'build schools' in Africa through charity scams (funds actually get funneled to criminal gangs/government corruption) motivate shitty DEI projects. This should not be a shocker, considering just the sheer amount of ultra wealthy people who pick a charity to launder their reputation with. Of course in an age of vapid soulless virtue signaling this would also bleed into the art that wealthy people commission. When they consider their wealth while observing how fucked their surroundings are in L.A, it causes them to build up mental walls of justification for it. They are basically only rich due to chance and the hard work of others so they have to justify their position which is almost completely unearned, as such they justify their existence by saying "Well I am creating art that makes a difference" and that's why these shows are created. It's slop created to serve the ego of one extremely insecure group of people, and when it comes from such a place there is no way it can ever be good to anyone.

The only way to oppose this is to point this out, but Nerdrotic and Drinker don't actually do this. They grift off it, justify it if the creative behind a project say the right surface level shit they agree with. They aren't against the system that produces these horrible productions, only the aesthetic of it. This reflects in their content. What's more clickable, that elites are driven by pure systemic greed & selfishness to justify it, or "woman bad"? The latter ofc, and that allows them to grift "men angry" right back at them, and around the merry-go-around we go. Both sides use the culture war to simply make money, while obscuring the truth in the process. It's why I was so exhausted by the Acolyte video RLM did, it's like the one channel left that isn't drawn to the grift at this point.

 

[Tepes Thot]

I'm asking because I really don't watch these guys and it seems like you do, but do they do other shit like what RLM does? By that I mean stuff like BotW or Re:view, where they either talk about stuff they like or just dredge up some random ass shit?

For EFAP they do the story break downs. I really don’t like Mauler or Rags, but they sometimes have good guests (JlongBone, E;R), and that’s when I’ll tune in. They’re known to break down every scene, and focus on everything from blocking to dialogue to costume design, etc.
They also will have guests like YMS who vehemently disagree with them for pushback.

E;R is one of the best, and is genuinely clever with how he takes apart a movie/show, though he mostly focuses on Avatar. He also does gaming streams now.

Drinker I think is one of the better ones, though he needs to sharpen his editing skills and stop the repetitive clip inserts. He has focused on recommends and critiques.

People like AZ, Melonie Mac, and Eric July do gaming streams/hangouts. Eric also is successfully selling comics and AZ joined in.

Those are the only ones I’ll check out, but even when I disagree, they’re very clearly upset at the quality of what they’re given as opposed to people other than white men existing.

 

[sneedem&feedem]

Drinker I think is one of the better ones, though he needs to sharpen his editing skills and stop the repetitive clip inserts. He has focused on recommends and critiques.

Critical Drinker is head and shoulders above even RLM because he also writes genre fiction books. Say whatever you want about their quality, but he's one of the few people to be producing completely original work that isn't derived from just commenting/critiquing others' work and on a regular basis. He even got a short film produced for it which is wrapping up post-production.

What's the last original thing RLM produced? Space Cop? And that took 10 years to make like Boyhood.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I'm asking because I really don't watch these guys and it seems like you do, but do they do other shit like what RLM does? By that I mean stuff like BotW or Re:view, where they either talk about stuff they like or just dredge up some random ass shit? Going back to Hambeast, he's incredibly one-note and, even if I do agree with his viewpoints (which I don't), it's fucking tiring.

EFAP just posted a video where they're watching Army of Darkness. Before then, a bunch of movies with Orlando Bloom in them. Little Platoon makes Plinkett-level reviews of modern shows.

What's the last original thing RLM produced? Space Cop? And that took 10 years to make like Boyhood.

Space Cop's biggest sin is that it isn't funny. A comedy's only requirement is that it's funny, and the rest can slide. Mike's performance is Space Cop is especially bad because he couldn't find the character in Noir Cop; he plays it Goofy, Transatlantic Cop and it just doesn't work because Space Cop is an unthinking brute.

Which leads me to a philosophical point between the 50s B movie and the 80s B movie. A 50s B movie was about trying to push some kind of technical means (The Angry Red Planet, It Came from Outer Space) or as a sincere attempts to tell stories with fundamentally goofy premises like The Blob. Sometimes, they were outright good movies like Forbidden Planet or Them!, and if we're going to add Godzilla, well that's a B movie franchise. The reason why we rarely saw monster effects in these movies is because visual effects simply were not able to meet the demands the stories were making and really wouldn't be until ILM is created. An 80s B movie was direct to VHS tape and made to be as cheap as possible. No one there was thinking of innovative, cost-saving ways to make effects or how to tell a compelling story with a limited budget. Alienator or Elves* or whatever we see on Best of the Worst is always a piece of crap and never meant to be anything but.

How it leads back to RLM is they are inspired by 80s B movies, not 50s B movie. Space Cop is intentionally meant to be a cheap Direct to DVD on a Blockbuster shelf. The problem is making an intentionally bad movie still results in a bad movie and the audience isn't generally aware of--or cares about--intentions anyways. On top of it is that it's a bad comedy, so it lacks the comedy of misplaced sincerity bad dramas have. So, instead of asking basic dramatic questions such as how Space Cop and Noir Cop approach problems or why Space Cop is still a cop after doing Space Cop things in the present day for a decade, the story just meanders about hoping enough comedy set-pieces are funny enough and they never are.

*Elves is Phantom of the Opera if it were boring and has no music in it.

 

[Akerman]

Space Cop's biggest sin is that it isn't funny. A comedy's only requirement is that it's funny, and the rest can slide. Mike's performance is Space Cop is especially bad because he couldn't find the character in Noir Cop; he plays it Goofy, Transatlantic Cop and it just doesn't work because Space Cop is an unthinking brute.

To echo a great comment on this: Space Cop should have been a quirky endearing movie about a group of guys trying to make a movie called Space Cop.