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[Bush King]

I know the woke gender ideals area on trial here, but what caused me to twitch like Flexo described was just the sheer retardation of those two phrases in the trailer:"Why do you want to be x", "because you all say I can't". What kind of childish and boring reason is that? It puts me right off the character because they establish her as someone who cares more about being defiant than about honor, bravery, or doing the right thing.

To be fair, that line can just be a truncated version of proving oneself. These were heavily regimented societies, your place was determined at birth by people born hundreds of years ago, due to reasons that may make logical but not necessarily moral or ethical sense. It's also true that not everyone who would have told her "no" had an answer beyond "because I said so". If she has the capability, she should be able to prove herself.

Of course, the writers probably did not put that much thought into it.

 

[DankSmoker]

Listen, if autism can be a superpower, then women can also get that treatment.

 

[reptile101]

I find this very strange.

Blackrock, Disney, Marvel, these are all public companies. These are all owned by investors. Investors don't like seeing wastage or losses. Public companies can't simply find "money behind doors" without it leaving a big paper trail.

Blackrock is an investment company, their entire mandate is speculation on future earnings. Even things like ESG can be seen in that lens- it's a long term strategy to force markets to be what they view as more sustainable. I disagree, but ultimately if you believe that climate change is a big issue you'd want to solve it so that your money is still there 50 years from now.

Blackrock is not just shoveling money into films that fail because they hit diversity targets. To do so, they need to either buy up IPOs or just discharge money into projects that have no return on investment. The former is just normal investing, the latter would be a direct violation of fiduciary responsibility- not only would the executives lose their licensing, be barred from practising in finance ever again, have large fines levied against them, etc, the same would be held against Blackrock itself due to the fact it was corporate policy rather than just a rogue board. In effect, Blackrock would end up disgraced and probably go into administration because their whole remit is investing, and that would be off the table. The investors and creditors would then be compensated with the sale of all assets in the company.

A much saner explanation is simply that these individual film companies, which make hundreds of films each year, can simply use the revenues of blockbusters to fund any losses from wokeshit, if those films even do have losses, because many don't. "Get woke, go broke" is a nice rule of thumb for individual projects, but it's not a law of the universe, many do go on to be successful, and the "broke" part only applies to individual projects. There's no scenario in a million years where Ghostbusters 2016 bankrupted Sony.

It's not unheard of for companies to be doing shady shit and having it not revealed because investors are incredibly happy with the book reports, but the kinds of things here require big evidence. Most investors don't bother reading financial reports, but they are publicly available, by law, and must be issued annually and (usually) quarterly. You could easily see any shady shit from a glance in them. I'd encourage anyone to read them if they're interested because they usually mention potentially damaging issues in their financial reports even when there is monetary value on them, eg: Activision/Blizzard talks about their lolsuits and sexual harassment allegations. ESGs and diversity would probably be at the very start of the reports for Blackrock because that's something their pushing- they'd be proud to state that they're intentionally bankrolling failed investments if it were happening.

the blackrock thing is easy to explain the owners of these large companies which are basically government branches at this point want the same thing the un and wef want hell the government even gives blackrock billions

 

[Prince Vegeta]

To be fair, that line can just be a truncated version of proving oneself. These were heavily regimented societies, your place was determined at birth by people born hundreds of years ago, due to reasons that may make logical but not necessarily moral or ethical sense. It's also true that not everyone who would have told her "no" had an answer beyond "because I said so". If she has the capability, she should be able to prove herself.

Of course, the writers probably did not put that much thought into it.

Fair point. But my issue is more that even if all that is true, she's still doing it for the sake of rebelling. And that's what bugs me.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

the thing is no matter how much money shit loses investment firms like blackrock pay into the company for promoting there ideals

no matter how god awful and shitty a product is as long as its woke it will make money behind doors

And talking about it for years, even if it is in a negative light, will still promote those ideas. How many times have you seen an article about "the chuds" throwing a shit fit about woman/minority in film/game? Even in the RLM review they went after a bunch of shitty reviews of the film to make some point about how pathetic it has gotten and looks.

That's why I'm saying people are better off moving on and finding a new (or more realistically old) thing to enjoy than to consistently keep getting angry and wasting time throwing a bitch fest online. That is still inadvertently promoting it and doing nothing but keep you perpetually miserable and unhappy.

Anti Woke crusades are just a drain on the person pursuing them and those around them. It's almost like the nerd culture equivalent of slacktivism. You're not really changing anything by bitching about it in an echo chamber online, the real change comes from not giving them money first and foremost and this shit not trending in google analytics second. (or maybe even vice versa, I'm not really sure on that front with how little they seem to care about money these days)

But this has gotten way off topic and this is the last post I'll make about it in the RLM thread.

 

[reptile101]

And talking about it for years, even if it is in a negative light, will still promote those ideas. How many times have you seen an article about "the chuds" throwing a shit fit about woman/minority in film/game? Even in the RLM review they went after a bunch of shitty reviews of the film to make some point about how pathetic it has gotten and looks.

That's why I'm saying people are better off moving on and finding a new (or more realistically old) thing to enjoy than to consistently keep getting angry and wasting time throwing a bitch fest online. That is still inadvertently promoting it and doing nothing but keep you perpetually miserable and unhappy.

Anti Woke crusades are just a drain on the person pursuing them and those around them. It's almost like the nerd culture equivalent of slacktivism. You're not really changing anything by bitching about it in an echo chamber online, the real change comes from not giving them money first and foremost and this shit not trending in google analytics second. (or maybe even vice versa, I'm not really sure on that front with how little they seem to care about money these days)

But this has gotten way off topic and this is the last post I'll make about it in the RLM thread.

ya its off topic now so last post ill make about it too but the *ignore it and itl go away* reasoning is how we ended up here you have to point it out talk about it and gatekeep what you like

 

[GhostButt]

not trending in google analytics

This is what I keep telling people, if you're gonna shit on woke garbage Do. Not. do it with the official hashtag and don't do it under the official posts, they round all of that together as positive engagement and don't even look at the words being said just the numbers going up.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

If it’s a good movie who cares if it’s woke will always be my argument

I know the woke gender ideals area on trial here, but what caused me to twitch like Flexo described was just the sheer retardation of those two phrases in the trailer:"Why do you want to be x", "because you all say I can't". What kind of childish and boring reason is that? It puts me right off the character because they establish her as someone who cares more about being defiant than about honor, bravery, or doing the right thing.

All they had to make her say was something else like "It's all I ever wanted" or "It's in my blood" or anything that maybe hints at some character traits beyond being openly contrary. That's what made me pass this movie right over.

This type of writing seems to be prominent in current Hollywood. Shit, they could have made her say "because it's fun" or "because I like it". Even in shitty movies like Brave the main character is portrayed like she just can't help being that way and archery gives her joy while everything else restricts her. She don't get me started on the tell don't show aspect of current year writing.

this is pretty stupid logic. its like that simpsons bit about reverse psychology. tho is it any better in context?

And talking about it for years, even if it is in a negative light, will still promote those ideas. How many times have you seen an article about "the chuds" throwing a shit fit about woman/minority in film/game? Even in the RLM review they went after a bunch of shitty reviews of the film to make some point about how pathetic it has gotten and looks.

That's why I'm saying people are better off moving on and finding a new (or more realistically old) thing to enjoy than to consistently keep getting angry and wasting time throwing a bitch fest online. That is still inadvertently promoting it and doing nothing but keep you perpetually miserable and unhappy.

Anti Woke crusades are just a drain on the person pursuing them and those around them. It's almost like the nerd culture equivalent of slacktivism. You're not really changing anything by bitching about it in an echo chamber online, the real change comes from not giving them money first and foremost and this shit not trending in google analytics second. (or maybe even vice versa, I'm not really sure on that front with how little they seem to care about money these days)

But this has gotten way off topic and this is the last post I'll make about it in the RLM thread.

i wouldnt be surprised if half these youtube channels are being paid to do outrage marketing

 

[Bush King]

the blackrock thing is easy to explain the owners of these large companies which are basically government branches at this point

If this were true, it would be easily provable, like how there are no private companies in China because they all require you to have an actual CCP member who was not in the company before joining the CCP on the board. No such requirements exist for Blackrock. You can argue that they have similar goals, but that's very loose and doesn't make a conspiracy, it just means that two groups happen to have similar goals.

want the same thing the un and wef want

I'd have to ask what that is, seeing as "the UN" is really over a hundred states which take turns determining the agenda every few years. They aren't equity speculators, last I checked. The WEF is also a big bogeyman but I doubt you'll offer any more than "Blackrock has ESGs, Schwab is Palpatine, therefore they are all working for globohomo white slavery".

hell the government even gives blackrock billions

Again, their financials (just like most government financials) are completely open to the public. The only actual funds received by Blackrock from governments are for pension and investment schemes which, no surprise, it's an investment firm.

Any of these conspiratorial ideas could be easily proven with a 20 minute skim through of several documents you can find on the first page of a Google search. It's not hard if it's there. A far better explanation for the state of things is that WB/Disney/Marvel/Sony/etc collectively earn tens of billions in net profit each year which can easily cover failed projects. If for whatever reason they do have a really shitty year, their size, assets, and reliability in paying corporate bonds, alongside a very strong investment interest in any IPOs, means that they will never have a lack of funds unless they suffer repeated and sustained losses. That doesn't mean a few woke bombs every year, it means every venture they go through failing. Even if the film companies themselves fail, the parent companies will all step in to ensure they don't lose an arm of the wider commercial media business.

What makes more sense: Bob Iger finding another $200 million in the budget or Bob Iger going to Blackrock, which is answering to the WEF and UN, who demand that something be done to ensure these woke movies don't stop getting made?

 

[reptile101]

If this were true, it would be easily provable, like how there are no private companies in China because they all require you to have an actual CCP member who was not in the company before joining the CCP on the board. No such requirements exist for Blackrock. You can argue that they have similar goals, but that's very loose and doesn't make a conspiracy, it just means that two groups happen to have similar goals.

I'd have to ask what that is, seeing as "the UN" is really over a hundred states which take turns determining the agenda every few years. They aren't equity speculators, last I checked. The WEF is also a big bogeyman but I doubt you'll offer any more than "Blackrock has ESGs, Schwab is Palpatine, therefore they are all working for globohomo white slavery".

Again, their financials (just like most government financials) are completely open to the public. The only actual funds received by Blackrock from governments are for pension and investment schemes which, no surprise, it's an investment firm.

Any of these conspiratorial ideas could be easily proven with a 20 minute skim through of several documents you can find on the first page of a Google search. It's not hard if it's there. A far better explanation for the state of things is that WB/Disney/Marvel/Sony/etc collectively earn tens of billions in net profit each year which can easily cover failed projects. If for whatever reason they do have a really shitty year, their size, assets, and reliability in paying corporate bonds, alongside a very strong investment interest in any IPOs, means that they will never have a lack of funds unless they suffer repeated and sustained losses. That doesn't mean a few woke bombs every year, it means every venture they go through failing. Even if the film companies themselves fail, the parent companies will all step in to ensure they don't lose an arm of the wider commercial media business.

What makes more sense: Bob Iger finding another $200 million in the budget or Bob Iger going to Blackrock, which is answering to the WEF and UN, who demand that something be done to ensure these woke movies don't stop getting made?

wef is a boogyman you say, as they control every first world nations leader and openly state they do and that they're implementing a new world order that even fucking jontron mocked in a video of schwab openly saying it

as for your first statement who the fuck brought china into this china does not buy into the open borders race erasure bullshit white nations do, but yes blackrock and other larger scale investment first are basically branches of the american government at this point

its totally just money guys throwing money at failing projects and failing companies to reward them is clearly just a smart business move for a good return on investment! totally not for humiliation and demoralization

and i;m sure as we all know google is the best way to find anything truthful and never censors searches putting whatever they want you to see first they would never

please just focus on rlm now i already tried to stop talking about this shit here

 

[Bush King]

wef is a boogyman you say, as they control every first world nations leader and openly state they do and that they're implementing a new world order that even fucking jontron mocked in a video of schwab openly saying it

And just like with the "Fluoride Stare" people, this is taking a couple of statements and running with it off a cliff. Is Schwab evil? Maybe, I don't like his vision for the future, but let's not pretend that the old Palpatine Germany guy is seriously in charge of fucking everything when "ze plan" requires so many people to fall in line and supposedly fails everyday. An entity that somehow runs every government on Earth (to promote woke movies???) is not going to allow an iota of dissent or deviation from their goals.

as for your first statement who the fuck brought china into this china does not buy into the open borders race erasure bullshit white nations do, but yes blackrock and other larger scale investment first are basically branches of the american government at this point

It's an example of how corporations look when actually controlled by governments. That should be obvious.

its totally just money guys throwing money at failing projects and failing companies to reward them is clearly just a smart business move for a good return on investment! totally not for humiliation and demoralization

You are seriously saying that companies like Blackrock (which you haven't even proven are doing what they supposedly do) do this because of "humiliation"? Personally, I own a stake in Blackrock because it's made me fucking money. I also don't recall Schwab fly-swatting the CEO and laughing at his small dick at the last shareholder meeting, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention, or maybe I need to have more than a slim margin of ownership to attend the premium NWO sponsored meetings.

and i;m sure as we all know google is the best way to find anything truthful and never censors searches putting whatever they want you to see first they would never

The citation is not Google, you idiot, I said you could use it to find their financial records, and those of millions of other companies.

Again, if what you say is happening actually was, the paper trail would make the Watergate investigation look like a hunt for a needle in the universe. We're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars, appearing and disappearing off books out of nowhere. If that ever actually happened the stock price would tank as we realise that the balance sheet is actually far less valuable than at first glance.

please just focus on rlm now i already tried to stop talking about this shit here

It's actually important to the discussion of woke films- how and why they keep getting funded. It's just become a shit fest because people see bogeymen everywhere when really the answer is just that the producers were educated at universities that push diversity = more profits narratives, and they make enough otherwise to pay it off. Don't need no German evil eat ze bugs man for that.

 

[tehpope]

the boys talk spaghetti.

 

[FrickinFrackinFruckin]

Ghosted you son of a bitch.

 

[KrewlKween]

I think the issue is, the story they wanted to tell was a modern day one (a girl wanting to engage in culturally masculine activities) transposed to pre-industrial times, when most "culturally masculine" activities were highly dangerous, tedious, or damaging to the body. All of this current year RAH RAH GRRLPOWAH stuff in movies is an attempt to correct what the feminists see as a historical "injustice." They think girls were kept out of the "He-Man Heap Big Warrior Adventure Club" for most of human history because men were meanyheads who didn't want girls and their powerful vaginas showing them up on the battlefields. The truth is that, in pre-modern times, biology played a huger role in what roles men and women could have. A woman couldn't just hand her newborn to her husband and say "Okay, you suckle the child now. I'm going to don your armor and go fight the Saracens. It's my turn." Because that would've resulted in a starved child and a mother with her head bashed in. In modern times, you CAN have men and women juggling childcare and career duties because, thanks to refrigeration and economic changes to the workplace brought on by modern technology, these are largely roles that either men or women could do.

The sad thing is, you could have done an "indigenous woman fights and beats the Predator" story without suspending audience disbelief or turning the woman into Chun Li with a tomahawk. Just have her use knowledge and cunning gleaned from her daily activities to defeat the Predator. (Which I think the film does a bit.) The problem is, the film wants to have the main character going physically toe to toe with the creature. The filmmakers saw one too many animes where waiflike girls effortlessly air-juggled creatures that were 300 pounds heavier than them.

I get that but is the main character a mom in this movie? I agree that if a woman already has a child or wants the motherhood track in life then yeah being rah rah girl power let me be a warrior is pretty retarded. But it seems like she....doesn't want that roll? Biology plays a part in who can birth and nurse a baby, and who has more upper body strength to stab a bear with a spear or some shit, but beyond that. who fucking cares if she wants to try being a warrior. She can make up what she lacks in the physical with wits which is apparently what happens in the movie? The point is choice. Up until recently most women were kind of forced into the roll of domestic upkeep and child rearing even when a big portion of them never wanted it.

RLM touch on the "but she not strong like man" thing. They point out that you had fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger and it didn't matter because you're not arm wrestling the predator. It's about out gunning or out smarting it. Technically, a woman could do both of those things.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=17N8_E40Nl0the boys talk spaghetti.

I bet the idea of putting GOOD BAD UGLY over a picture of Rich for the thumbnail was Mike’s idea

 

[Hazel Motes]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=17N8_E40Nl0the boys talk spaghetti.

Enjoyed watching it. Nice change of pace.

There are many westerns long before The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly which go far beyond the simple story of good cowboys vs bad Indians. Many of the greats are directed with a great eye and are not flat, the era was simple awash with so much middling tripe it might make a cursory glance make it seem that way. No mention of John Ford's brilliant classics like The Searchers or The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. High Noon, Red River, Shane or, in my opinion the greatest trilogy of westerns, Anthony Mann's Winchester '73, The Man from Laramie, and my personal favourite The Naked Spur. In Mann's trilogy, Jimmy Stewart plays a character far beyond morality and is simply angry at the world. Great films and quite comparable to Stewart's Hitchcock era exploring the lines between evil and good.

I am a superfan of westerns, so that is my two cents.

I think the western is the best genre to explore these topics, comparable to science fiction.

Seeing as I'll never get to post it anywhere else and that we all love a little bit of Big Iron, I'll share one of my favourite themes.

edit: Also my favourite scene in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly has to be when Clint hands the soldier a cigar and the man rejoices as the bridge blows up as he knows men won't needlessly die trying to capture it. I feel you could make a whole self-contained film about that concept. A real powerful scene to me, but I don't hear many talk about it.

 

[Flexo]

For those interested, I found someone had compiled the BotW discussions of certain filmmakers.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=17N8_E40Nl0the boys talk spaghetti.

I hope they do more of these in the future. Way more of these, and less of the mainstream shit. There are so few movies that justify a HitB nowadays...

 

[reptile101]

And just like with the "Fluoride Stare" people, this is taking a couple of statements and running with it off a cliff. Is Schwab evil? Maybe, I don't like his vision for the future, but let's not pretend that the old Palpatine Germany guy is seriously in charge of fucking everything when "ze plan" requires so many people to fall in line and supposedly fails everyday. An entity that somehow runs every government on Earth (to promote woke movies???) is not going to allow an iota of dissent or deviation from their goals.

It's an example of how corporations look when actually controlled by governments. That should be obvious.

You are seriously saying that companies like Blackrock (which you haven't even proven are doing what they supposedly do) do this because of "humiliation"? Personally, I own a stake in Blackrock because it's made me fucking money. I also don't recall Schwab fly-swatting the CEO and laughing at his small dick at the last shareholder meeting, but maybe I just wasn't paying attention, or maybe I need to have more than a slim margin of ownership to attend the premium NWO sponsored meetings.

The citation is not Google, you idiot, I said you could use it to find their financial records, and those of millions of other companies.

Again, if what you say is happening actually was, the paper trail would make the Watergate investigation look like a hunt for a needle in the universe. We're talking about hundreds of millions of dollars, appearing and disappearing off books out of nowhere. If that ever actually happened the stock price would tank as we realise that the balance sheet is actually far less valuable than at first glance.

It's actually important to the discussion of woke films- how and why they keep getting funded. It's just become a shit fest because people see bogeymen everywhere when really the answer is just that the producers were educated at universities that push diversity = more profits narratives, and they make enough otherwise to pay it off. Don't need no German evil eat ze bugs man for that.

ok

i could keep this going with you but again this is rlm

you wanna believe what you want idc

enjoy your version of reality i forgot that much like every other corrupt entity on this planet they leave a massive paper trail so the public can know how corrupt they are.

 

[deeman]

Would love to hear what they thought of the Trinity movies.