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I haven't been reading marvel in a while, so it would be helpful if someone could refresh my memory. Wasn't HYDRA just using the nazis for something more sinister?
I try to be cool and pretend I don't know shit about nerd stuff, and see where it gets me?
Don't say I didn't warn you.
Okay, SO, according to comics and the MCU, Hydra was an offshoot of the Nazi party. In the movies, they try to downplay the Hydra-Nazi connection because it's too inflammatory even while they cast sinister white men with Teutonic accents. In the comics, the message is "Here is this guy fighting Nazis in the name of freedom and justice, skip ahead so many years and here they are again." Cap was created by Joe "Hymie" Simon and Jack Kirby, two Jewish men, during the second World War, as a way to broadcast the betrayal many American Jews felt towards the US for not intervening in Europe.
So it's kind of a slap in the face to see a big Jewish icon take up the mantle of a group that was too extreme for the Nazis. Blah blah blah, just call me Jusperg, et cetera. I'm not going to snap my DVDs in half and burn my comics, but it grinds my gears a fair amount that Spencer threw Nazis in for edge factor with this specific character when we already have a really popular character with ties to Hydra that could be doing that same shit.
It's like saying Superman -- who was written as a Moses allegory -- just quit giving a shit about saving people. Or Batman was secretly the one that killed his parents. It's just fucking stupid and it makes no goddamn sense, and I'm going to stomp my shitty baby feet about it until this awful run gets cancelled. Because it will. Better comics get cancelled for no reason, I'm not too worried about Cap being permanently Hydra.
Okay, SO, according to comics and the MCU, Hydra was an offshoot of the Nazi party. In the movies, they try to downplay the Hydra-Nazi connection because it's too inflammatory even while they cast sinister white men with Teutonic accents. In the comics, the message is "Here is this guy fighting Nazis in the name of freedom and justice, skip ahead so many years and here they are again." Cap was created by Joe "Hymie" Simon and Jack Kirby, two Jewish men, during the second World War, as a way to broadcast the betrayal many American Jews felt towards the US for not intervening in Europe.
So it's kind of a slap in the face to see a big Jewish icon take up the mantle of a group that was too extreme for the Nazis. Blah blah blah, just call me Jusperg, et cetera. I'm not going to snap my DVDs in half and burn my comics, but it grinds my gears a fair amount that Spencer threw Nazis in for edge factor with this specific character when we already have a really popular character with ties to Hydra that could be doing that same shit.
It's like saying Superman -- who was written as a Moses allegory -- just quit giving a shit about saving people. Or Batman was secretly the one that killed his parents. It's just fucking stupid and it makes no goddamn sense, and I'm going to stomp my shitty baby feet about it until this awful run gets cancelled. Because it will. Better comics get cancelled for no reason, I'm not too worried about Cap being permanently Hydra.