/r/LateStageCapitalism - Yet more godless, freedom-hating Communists on Reddit

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The people who post in this particular sub-Reddit are most likely the same kind of people who probably wouldn't last two days in a TRUE and HONEST communist regime.

Oh, who the fuck am I kidding? These coddled millennial hipsters wouldn't last eleven minutes under communism.
 
Syaoran Li said:
The people who post in this particular sub-Reddit are most likely the same kind of people who probably wouldn't last two days in a TRUE and HONEST communist regime.

Oh, who the fuck am I kidding? These coddled millennial hipsters wouldn't last eleven minutes under communism.
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They'd fit right in the Catolina mobs hunting down anyone using currency or practicing religion. Then, in the blink of an eye, they'll whine to someone that their little country just went down the shitter.

Communism. Has never worked.
 
DykesDykesChina said:
We could automate many jobs with existing technology -- pilots, truck drivers, locomotive drivers, mailmen (just use drones), farmers (hydroponic greenscrapers). In Paris, they tested automated Metro trains which worked flawlessly, but the trade unions luddited the robots away, because they'd have killed the jobs of human drivers. The Nuremberg subway service just said "fuck it" and automated anyway. We'll have to figure out how to deal with robots eating up jobs on a grand scale; Basic Income is often suggested, but at the moment it still seems to be out of reach for most economies; in Germany you'd need about 1000 billion € annually, which is more than the entire German tax revenue. With new technologies, such as Very High Temperature Molten Salt Reactors, plasma arc material processing or nanomachines giving a boost to economies, luxuries such as Basic Income may become viable.

For completely automated production cycles, some breakthroughs in (soft) artificial intelligence are still needed. They may be decades away, maybe even 100 years, I don't know. Fully automated production is still utopian, but I think it is a goal well worth working towards. Capitalism is most efficient at creating such technologies, so currently it is the way to go. It's not the best system imaginable, but holds the greatest promise of improving the human situation and evolving into a better system as time progresses.

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yep capitalism gets us to the point where jobs are unnecessary, then we just go straight to like a gift economy or some shit.
 
DykesDykesChina said:
With new technologies, such as Very High Temperature Molten Salt Reactors, plasma arc material processing or nanomachines giving a boost to economies, luxuries such as Basic Income may become viable.
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Abundance of energy and efficiencies in converting that energy into things like edible food will probably prevent anything like mass starvation in the West, but you will probably have an intermediate phase where you don't have something like basic income, but you have lots of people subsisting on something like human kibble and less than optimal living conditions, and this class of people is likely to be pissed displaced workers.

You could see some pretty ugly political events come out of this.

Then there's the places in the world that are already shitholes and you probably actually will see (more) mass starvation there.
 
I'm not really sure why they're even advocating an immediate transition to a democratic socialist system. A more logical transitional economic system would be syndicalism, basically an economic system where many large co-operative trade unions control the means of production on a per industry basis democratically and the central government serves as a regulatory body to ensure that the unions do not become autocratic and disrupt trade. The best part of the system is that most countries already have large corporations that can serve as the framework for such institutions and it would possess a technocratic element that would ensure a certain level of idiot proofing. It would also serve as an excellent way to fight globalism; no work force is going to vote to send their own jobs to Mexico. It wouldn't destroy the existing market structure that exists within the world, but would rather serve as a new way to produce products in a more equitable fashion.

The main hurdle in such achieving such a system is getting a national government to transfer ownership from stockholders and private hands to a worker owned corporation; despite the vast majority of the population benefiting from ownership inclusion in their workplaces, the small minority of people benefiting the most from the current arrangement, around 250,000 in the U.S., possess almost of the political influence in most countries. Furthermore, a significant portion of the population is either too stupid or too lazy to be trusted with a vote in how the individual cooperatives operate and you'd end up with a two tier system at the work place where a number of workers won't be permitted the right to vote until they've proven themselves knowledgeable enough to be trusted to make informed decisions. I do not foresee wages rising too drastically for many low skill workers (Pedro still gets 7.25 an hour for picking tomatoes), but I would expect that the companies would probably provide onsite housing or other amenities to meet certain state living condition requirements (kind of like the factory schools of the early 19th century).

Ultimately, any socialist system will suffer from the main problem of democracy. People are incredibly stupid and easy to mislead and until you've created an almost universally educated and intelligent population it's extremely dangerous to allow everyone to have an equal say in how things get done. Contrary to what many would posit, human nature is not that of greed and skepticism but generosity and blind faith. This makes it very likely that most people will not be able to discern the corrupt politicians and union leaders from the upright ones. Just look at how CNN and the rest of the media managed to turn a real estate developer into a president if you need an example.
 
Audit_The_Autist said:
Ultimately, any socialist system will suffer from the main problem of democracy. People are incredibly stupid and easy to mislead and until you've created an almost universally educated and intelligent population it's extremely dangerous to allow everyone to have an equal say in how things get done. Contrary to what many would posit, human nature is not that of greed and skepticism but generosity and blind faith. This makes it very likely that most people will not be able to discern the corrupt politicians and union leaders from the upright ones. Just look at how CNN and the rest of the media managed to turn a real estate developer into a president if you need an example.
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Sigmund Freud made similar observations. He believed people were fundamentally irrational and full of suppressed urges that would destroy society if left unchecked. Granted, he was an Austrian Jew in the 1930s when he was writing this.

A well-informed and involved electorate is necessary for democracy to meet its full potential. However, psychology has been taken in by capitalists as well as government to play on our mental weak spots. It also doesn't help that in a country of 200 million+ voters, it's easy to feel like your vote doesn't matter and that getting informed is a waste of time. Watch The Century of the Self is you'd like to know more.
 
DykesDykesChina said:
We'll have to figure out how to deal with robots eating up jobs on a grand scale; Basic Income is often suggested, but at the moment it still seems to be out of reach for most economies; in Germany you'd need about 1000 billion € annually, which is more than the entire German tax revenue.
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We absolutely will have to deal with the defecit of jobs resulting from automation on a grand scale, and it's going to start sooner rather than later. Robot cars aren't that many years from becoming viable, and the moment they are the trucking industry will adopt them for industrial shipping. Trucking is one of the nation's largest industries - how many drivers will be out of a job because they make damn good money and their employers can pay a fraction to just maintain robot trucks instead? That's going to be somewhere between 10 and 15 million jobs. That's a very large industry but it's just one. Mostly low-skill jobs in retail, service, and manufacturing will get replaced too. How many cashiers does Wal-Mart employ currently? How much cheaper will it be to have one human watching over 6 or 12 or 20 self-checkout stations? If you're a high school kid or an unskilled adult, where will you go to get a paycheck? To begin a decent employment history or build a resume? And you can't tell people "just go to college and get educated". High-skill job openings are not numerous and we already have too many of a lot of skilled laborers. Doesn't matter how well mechanical engineers get paid if all the employers already don't need any more of them. In fact that will just lower the ability of employed individuals to demand good compensation because there's 50 other people willing to take your job for less money. Telling people to go get more education is basically saying let them eat cake.

So what do we do? Damned if I know. UBI would be great if it's practical but like you say, we don't have the ability to just give people that much money. Are we going to have people starving in tenements? Eating mass-produced soylent kibble and watching daytime tv all day and building psychotic resentment of a world that forgot them because the robots took away not only their income, but their ability to feel accomplished at anything since there won't be anything to accomplish?

DykesDykesChina said:
Very High Temperature Molten Salt Reactors
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Will the Kiwi Farms be pioneering new power technologies?

Audit_The_Autist said:
Ultimately, any socialist system will suffer from the main problem of democracy. People are incredibly stupid and easy to mislead and until you've created an almost universally educated and intelligent population it's extremely dangerous to allow everyone to have an equal say in how things get done.
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Isn't it funny how limousine socialists want "the people" to be in charge of everything, but when this takes the form of democracy voting for a candidate they don't like, their desire for the little guy to have his say goes right out the window?
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
So what do we do? Damned if I know. UBI would be great if it's practical but like you say, we don't have the ability to just give people that much money. Are we going to have people starving in tenements? Eating mass-produced soylent kibble and watching daytime tv all day and building psychotic resentment of a world that forgot them because the robots took away not only their income, but their ability to feel accomplished at anything since there won't be anything to accomplish?
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A number of new jobs will probably be created in the social area, that is, kindergardeners, teachers, care for the elderly (don't forget that the percentage of senior citizens currently rises in most developed nations), psychologists, etc.
Of course, you can't just send an industrial worker straight from the factory into the nursing home to change diapers. These kinds of jobs need training, too. There needs to be a gradual shift from humans making things for other humans to humans caring for other humans.

And no, you can't have people starve in tenements, unless you really, really like civil war. Just think about US truckers: They're proud, tough, and often armed. If you send them to the tenements to eat soylent kibble, expect some .45 bullets and a workers' revolution or two.

Alec Benson Leary said:
Will the Kiwi Farms be pioneering new power technologies?
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Lol, I had to think a bit in order to get your joke. Sure: Salt->Saltmine->Kiwi Farms.

MSRs are an energy technology pioneered by Oak Ridge National Laboratory in the 60s. There are several possible designs with different properties. Thorium is often quoted as fuel for MSRs, but other actinides can also be used, e.g. Uranium 235, Uranium 238 (in fast neutron spectrum), Plutonium, etc.

 
I shouldn't even be surprised at this behavior anymore, but now they're having a discussion about why J.K.Rowling is actually an anti-Semitic reactionary - it always boils down to Harry Potter with these people, doesn't it? link to general discussion

hotpieswolfbreadWHITE GENOCIDE 129 points 12 hours ago

Rowling is a multimillionaire reactionary using her cultural influence to peddle her bourgeois politics to her twitter fans. She's not our ally and never has been.

edit: and if you can't see how hook-nosed banking goblins can easily be seen as an anti-semitic charicature, you're just being wilfully obtuse.

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  • gcrimson 13 points 11 hours ago

    I didn't claim she was our ally. But saying she's antisemit is completely false and really I can't let that slide. Some people can have different opinions about socialism without having a unconscious nazi mind.

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    • hotpieswolfbreadWHITE GENOCIDE 53 points 11 hours ago

      The whole point isn't that she consciusly created an antisemtic charicature, it's that she borrowed an existing one (as even your source points out), oblivious to, or unwilling to recognize, the fact that it's antisemitic. She's bad at recognizing fascism, is what we're saying.
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      • Marcus_Lolrelius 2 points 2 hours ago

        I can't remember who, but someone said that if Jews didn't exist, antisemites would invent them. There's a certain archetype, that of the corrupt old man, that antisemites unfairly associate Jews with, that is genuinely repulsive and genuinely harmful. The Jew, in the imagination of the antisemite, is the personification of the rational intellect which has fallen in love with its own productions that denies human Being except for the rational intellect and the base senses. There is something real and evil the antisemite opposes, but blaming Jews for it is ridiculous, hateful and counterproductive.
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Lol, they're fucking goblins. Stories about them being mischievous, greedy midgets have been around for a thousand years in just about every European culture, including the ones that never heard of Jews.
Here's a hint: if you see "money obsessed short guy" in a piece of media and your mind immediately leaps to "Jew" then the anti-Semite in the room maybe ain't the media.
 
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Regardless of someone believing communism (in whatever variety you're into/your perception of "true" communism) being the way to go, the complete ignorance and denial of the realities of what has historically happened when you attempt to initiate the 'revolution' is just astounding to me. Literally holocaust-denier levels of stupid.

It comes across like they're just dissatisfied with their lives and blame society. Something tells me they are the same type of people who through wishful thinking, believe the only way to improve upon their own lives, is to have some magic-pill epiphany, rather than slow and steady small changes. Kind of like how they want revolution, rather than to work within and upon society as is. I guess that requires too much labor for these folks.
 
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I would rather be ruled by greedy capitalists scums than a well-intended Communist. The former understands economics, the latter somehow has a worse understanding than I do.

Most American "communists" are jobless basement dwellers anyway.
 
Intersectionalism is at it again. Sex robots have been determined by the internet communists to be anti-feminist and promote rape. source
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