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>clownnose

Forget clowns, bitch is a whole circus of Hebrew bullshit.
indeed. I can say this about reading her posts, there not boring.

ladies and gentlemen, meet u/Clownose or "Clownose Jenkins". a frequenter of both r/childfree and r/antinatilism, as well as r/prochoice, r/abortion, r/birthstrike and is a personal lolcow of mine. she works in retail (or at least did) and is in her 20's.
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they used to have what I was pretty sure was a selfie for their profile pic, it has since been changed to some autistic cartoon, shame I never saved it.
here are a few examples of just how much this lady hates the human race, right off the bat we have this:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/comments/dcl1vf/should_there_be_a_license_to_breed/
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careful hun, you might cut yourself on that edge
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she trolls the r/prolife sub but there isn't much there worth screencapping, as its mostly one word responses, or snippy comments. you can get the idea that she spends way to much time on reddit.
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yikes. i'm guessing she's never been pregnant.
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and more child hate, this time for her own niece:
and more:
this one just makes me sad, her boss was honestly hoping she would change, and she snapped back at him, I mean holy fuck:
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you can tell she's a cat lady in the making, complete with a hatred for pitbulls:
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like she really, REALLY hates pitbulls. the copypasta of links is much longer than I can screengrab, and she posts it a lot. get a life, lady.
relevant to an earlier post of mine about women who use dogs to satisfy their mothering instincts: her dog.
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case in point:
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anyway she also has a fair amount of sjw stuff in her post history, but I don't want to spend hours looking for it.
strange, I went looking for anti child "child free" content, and while there certainly is quite a bit of it in her post history, she really has a lot of pitbull hate.
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funny, because she's the type of person to get salty over men saying they wouldn't date single mothers. can't expect logic from these people I suppose.
and the penny drops with this very real and not totally made up conversation she had with a guy on bumble:
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I honestly wonder what those 5 mental disorders are. there's probably more info out there to find on that.
here's the full post, which is totally real and not fabricated for internet points (a bit long)

[beginning] It’s long, so buckle up!

Here’s a conversation I had on Bumble with some idiot. Forgive me for how wordy it is, we were both being pretentious assholes. I didn’t send screenshots because it’s hard to edit those into one picture. Also, I had to rephrase and edit minor details (lightly, the content is still original and bears the same message).

I know I should have ended the conversation earlier but I was immature and it was in the heat of the moment.

On mobile, apologies.

Here’s the conversation:

ME: Is it a deal breaker that I’m not interested in having kiddos?

IDIOT: Is it a deal breaker if I say no, but I think that women tend to value having kids higher as they age?

ME: I mean, I’m pretty set. I’m not going to change my mind. There’s no way I’d ever change my mind 😂. Everyone says I will, but I’ve known from a young age what I do and don’t want, and that’s not going to change. So we can have the conversations, but they won’t change anything. So what I’m saying is, if you’re really okay with this, prepare to not have kids with me.

HIM: Well I can find buckets of examples of women who said exactly that and then wished in hindsight that they had kids. Therefore, sticking hard and fast to one value when the context of your life hasn’t been fully revealed to you is a little silly in my opinion. But I’m not writing off your reasons for not wanting kids, maybe you could even convince me that having kids wouldn’t be a good idea for us. I’m simply saying that you should be open to the idea that one day you may discover more about yourself or about the value of children and your mind may be changed. As long as you’re willing to have honest conversations then there’s no issue.

ME: Okay, then let me be honest here and now: my decision to not have kids in my life?

Isn’t silly, regardless if what you might think and comparing me or compartmentalizing me in with other women isn’t going to change that, it’s just going to make me angry.

It’s a conscious and real decision I have made for good reasons and I plan to stick by them. I will not have some child screw up my life because society tells me I’ll regret it when I’m older, and I will not compromise my values for society, or even my closest loved ones.

I have fought my family on this for years and have finally convinced them that they will not change my mind and they have come to agree with me that children would not be in my best interest.

So no, it isn’t silly. You know nothing about me and shouldnt assume you can just put me in a box with other women because that’s convenient for you. People aren’t simple. People aren’t convenient. To apply such rules to me is wrong and offensive to say the least.

HIM: I understand but I wasn’t comparing you to anyone I was just providing an example of people who felt about having kids the same way you do now then changed their mind. If you believe you have a perfect understanding of the value of children and a perfect understanding of your future self then I could see why you’d draw a hard line in the sand. My point is that wouldn’t be an honest assessment. But I don’t believe my understanding of these things is perfect either which is why I’m open to the possibility of being convinced by you.

But I wouldn’t want this to get in the way of us giving it a shot. This has already been the most promising conversation I’ve had with anyone from this app.

ME:

  • The world is overpopulated.
  • I have five mental disorders.
  • I am not caring or loving or nurturing. I would not provide my children with sufficient love or care.
  • I am more interested in my future. I haven’t lived my life for anyone else or changed for anyone else and I don’t intend to change my mindset.
  • I don’t like children. They’re immature, needy, stupid, and noisy.
  • I will not change my lifestyle for someone dependent on me. I don’t want anyone to be dependent on me.
  • I will not, at any point, compromise the integrity of my body for anyone, especially not someone who is going to end up taking all my money and resources and time and other valuables away from me in the future. Should anyone convince me otherwise, I know I wouldn’t want it in my heart and I would end up resenting the child.
But the primary reason? I have a hard enough time connecting with adult people. Why on earth would entrusting me with a small child be a good idea? I can barely fend for my own mental health needs. Place a small child in my hands and we’ll both fall.

But mostly? I just don’t like kids.

An honest assessment? This is about as honest as it gets. I know myself and there is nothing more honest than that.

If you are hoping or even thinking that I will change my mind or that I’m mistaken, this will not work...

IDIOT:

  • The world is not overpopulated.
  • You don’t know how much you’ll love a kid once you have one so you can’t make that claim.
  • You can have kids later in life (30+) after you’ve sorted out your life sufficiently.
  • It’s not taking it’s giving and I’d compromise my body for the life of my dog, let alone my child.
  • People get better at interacting with others. I did by massive amounts. It’s a skill you can improve on and reap benefits from.
  • You’re saying that you know yourself and what you want which I think is dishonest because no one has a perfect understanding of themselves nor the knowledge of something they’ve never even considered a possibility. If you genuinely believe those things and don’t have an open mind even when considering children, then I agree that you probably shouldn’t reproduce and that we probably won’t work out as a couple...
ME: (Going out of order at this point) Uhm yeah. That’s what I was trying to tell you. I’m not having kids. I will not consider having them at any point in time. I’m happy to discuss them, but you’d better be prepared for me to say “no” each and every time.

I won’t love the child, and I know this for a fact. I hate children.

I don’t want to. I want my stuff to be mine, I want to be able to live without having to worry about someone else’s schedule. By age thirty, there’s a higher chance of labor complications. The older I am, the more risk I place on my life and the child’s.

It’s a skill, but I do not wish to waste my time and energy interacting with someone I will not love.

I have considered it a possibility. Logically, it wouldn’t work. I could probably pull it off, but it would take an enormous amount of effort and time and it would stress me out.

I prefer not to take that effort and time.

Just because I genuinely believe these things doesn’t make me wrong or immoral. It means I have considered all possible angles and I know exactly what I want and have planned accordingly. I have been a loner for most of my life and think that more than one person in my home at a time would stress me out beyond reason. It’s why I know that I’d be just as happy single as in a relationship.

And I still, under no circumstances, would compromise my body.

There is no dishonesty in my statements. What you believe to be true for yourself does not apply to me. It’s great that you think everything can be opened or changed, but not everything can. This is how I feel about children. I will give you the same responses I always have.

Are you kidding? We have billions of people on this planet. The suicide rates mean nothing to you? There are too many people. I don’t need to contribute to the population, others are doing that just fine.

“Then I agree that you probably shouldn’t reproduce,” 😂 way to make things personal broooo. That’s not exactly a mature response to a life decision that I’ve made under careful consideration and discretion. But no matter. I wouldn’t want to compromise your morals for the sake of mine. It seems you were under the impression that I would some day change my mind and I have disappointed you, so you felt the need to make things personal.

Such antics are barbaric and unnecessary in this context as I have only given you what I believe to be true and factual under all circumstances. I’m sorry that I hurt you so much that you felt the need to personally attack me, but it seems as though you may need to reconsider your own words before you send them to me. But maybe I’m mistaken and you meant them honestly. In which case, I’d hate to pursue a relationship with someone who thinks he’s superior to me simply because of my own thoughts and beliefs.

NOW: He never responded after this. I blocked him shortly after. Thankfully, I never heard from him again.

Meanwhile, I have a CF boyfriend who loves me very much and we both know the world is clearly overpopulated.

TLDR: Idiot thinks I’m not actually CF and the world isn’t overpopulated and gets mad when he can’t convince me otherwise.
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yeesh.

weak insult but I thought it was kinda funny, from an argument she had with one of my sock accounts (she has had quite a few arguments)
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not 100% sure but she might have been sharing photo's of protesters outside her workplace (which is legal)
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I dunno, she's easy to bait into a flame war, and the best part is that she thinks she always "wins" or something. she's 100% oblivious to bait, and spends enough time online to actively try to argue shit with strangers on the internet. some aftermath of being baited:

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[possible happening] I might be able to get her to give me the link to her "ban pitbulls' discord. from there opens many options. however I just realized the account I used was one with a lot of troll posts so she might vet it and decline giving the link. it should be easy to get a hold of though, if one poses as an "ally" to the "cause". ill report back later if I get a link and drop it here.
posting that i'm working on getting a link to her discord (see above) so more people see, because I want to get the discord link out as soon as I get it as it might be one of the expiring ones.
a post she made about the disc: https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/f3h9fi/ban_pitbulls_discord/
tread carefully if you get in. I just want to see if I can get more info from her on discord, other social media accounts, reddits alt accounts, anything.
 
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dogs are better than humans huh? what other stuff can they do for you?
in all seriousness, there was a book or movie or something in which something happens and all people become sterile. the women of the world coped by carrying small puppies around, dressing them up, so on and so forth. it seems to me that the women who "like dogs better than kids" are being fooled to think they don't want kids, but that subconsious part of them that DOES want kids is reacting by making them love dogs instead. disturbing as fuck, why do dystopian stories always seem to come true?

Without a doubt, they use dogs as pseudo children, Ignoring the fact that dog mom was a trending concept a few years ago and that most pet companies still try to appeal to the dog mom mentality you'll see it countless times where a dog replaces there baby. If you think about it it kind of makes sense as to why it scratches that reptillian part of your brain as you get to see a creature grow learn and develop and unlike a child they are quieter as pupies, they sleep a lot more and their upkeep is less. It's an interesting phenomenon but makes sense since most people have a hard time avoiding the need to have children and a dog gives them something to love even if it can't fully give it back. It's also why they tend to prefer smaller dogs since they are much easier to care for than bigger ones. Honestly it kind of stems from the concept that you get a dog before you have a baby to make sure you can take care of a dog but it's just sad.

They tend to overcompensate as well since most dog moms, will go above and beyond when it comes to dressing, grooming, and keeping their dog under control. Go to any college town and I guarantee you that you will see a variety of small dogs dressed up in stupid baby outfits stuck in shopping carts/strollers begging for death. The bigger dogs seem to get it the worst since the dog moms will love it and play with it when it's small, fluffy, and cute but after they cross that 30 pound threshold everything the thing gets to spend it's life in a cage and being yelled at because the fucking creature designed to run/hunt/ and scavenge get's to spend 23 of each day laying or sitting down.

TL : DR Women definitely use dogs as a way to scratch that part of their brain begging them to have kids and often ruin the poor animals life either through neglect or abuse.
 
ladies and gentlemen, meet u/Clownose or "Clownose Jenkins". a frequenter of both r/childfree and r/antinatilism, as well as r/prochoice, r/abortion, r/birthstrike and is a personal lolcow of mine. she works in retail (or at least did) and is in her 20's.
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they used to have what I was pretty sure was a selfie for their profile pic, it has since been changed to some autistic cartoon, shame I never saved it.
here are a few examples of just how much this lady hates the human race, right off the bat we have this:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/comments/dcl1vf/should_there_be_a_license_to_breed/
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careful hun, you might cut yourself on that edge
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she trolls the r/prolife sub but there isn't much there worth screencapping, as its mostly one word responses, or snippy comments. you can get the idea that she spends way to much time on reddit.
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yikes. i'm guessing she's never been pregnant.
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and more child hate, this time for her own niece:
and more:
this one just makes me sad, her boss was honestly hoping she would change, and she snapped back at him, I mean holy fuck:
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you can tell she's a cat lady in the making, complete with a hatred for pitbulls:
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like she really, REALLY hates pitbulls. the copypasta of links is much longer than I can screengrab, and she posts it a lot. get a life, lady.
relevant to an earlier post of mine about women who use dogs to satisfy their mothering instincts: her dog.
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case in point:
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anyway she also has a fair amount of sjw stuff in her post history, but I don't want to spend hours looking for it.
strange, I went looking for anti child "child free" content, and while there certainly is quite a bit of it in her post history, she really has a lot of pitbull hate.
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funny, because she's the type of person to get salty over men saying they wouldn't date single mothers. can't expect logic from these people I suppose.
and the penny drops with this very real and not totally made up conversation she had with a guy on bumble:
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I honestly wonder what those 5 mental disorders are. there's probably more info out there to find on that.
here's the full post, which is totally real and not fabricated for internet points (a bit long)

[beginning] It’s long, so buckle up!

Here’s a conversation I had on Bumble with some idiot. Forgive me for how wordy it is, we were both being pretentious assholes. I didn’t send screenshots because it’s hard to edit those into one picture. Also, I had to rephrase and edit minor details (lightly, the content is still original and bears the same message).

I know I should have ended the conversation earlier but I was immature and it was in the heat of the moment.

On mobile, apologies.

Here’s the conversation:

ME: Is it a deal breaker that I’m not interested in having kiddos?

IDIOT: Is it a deal breaker if I say no, but I think that women tend to value having kids higher as they age?

ME: I mean, I’m pretty set. I’m not going to change my mind. There’s no way I’d ever change my mind 😂. Everyone says I will, but I’ve known from a young age what I do and don’t want, and that’s not going to change. So we can have the conversations, but they won’t change anything. So what I’m saying is, if you’re really okay with this, prepare to not have kids with me.

HIM: Well I can find buckets of examples of women who said exactly that and then wished in hindsight that they had kids. Therefore, sticking hard and fast to one value when the context of your life hasn’t been fully revealed to you is a little silly in my opinion. But I’m not writing off your reasons for not wanting kids, maybe you could even convince me that having kids wouldn’t be a good idea for us. I’m simply saying that you should be open to the idea that one day you may discover more about yourself or about the value of children and your mind may be changed. As long as you’re willing to have honest conversations then there’s no issue.

ME: Okay, then let me be honest here and now: my decision to not have kids in my life?

Isn’t silly, regardless if what you might think and comparing me or compartmentalizing me in with other women isn’t going to change that, it’s just going to make me angry.

It’s a conscious and real decision I have made for good reasons and I plan to stick by them. I will not have some child screw up my life because society tells me I’ll regret it when I’m older, and I will not compromise my values for society, or even my closest loved ones.

I have fought my family on this for years and have finally convinced them that they will not change my mind and they have come to agree with me that children would not be in my best interest.

So no, it isn’t silly. You know nothing about me and shouldnt assume you can just put me in a box with other women because that’s convenient for you. People aren’t simple. People aren’t convenient. To apply such rules to me is wrong and offensive to say the least.

HIM: I understand but I wasn’t comparing you to anyone I was just providing an example of people who felt about having kids the same way you do now then changed their mind. If you believe you have a perfect understanding of the value of children and a perfect understanding of your future self then I could see why you’d draw a hard line in the sand. My point is that wouldn’t be an honest assessment. But I don’t believe my understanding of these things is perfect either which is why I’m open to the possibility of being convinced by you.

But I wouldn’t want this to get in the way of us giving it a shot. This has already been the most promising conversation I’ve had with anyone from this app.

ME:

  • The world is overpopulated.
  • I have five mental disorders.
  • I am not caring or loving or nurturing. I would not provide my children with sufficient love or care.
  • I am more interested in my future. I haven’t lived my life for anyone else or changed for anyone else and I don’t intend to change my mindset.
  • I don’t like children. They’re immature, needy, stupid, and noisy.
  • I will not change my lifestyle for someone dependent on me. I don’t want anyone to be dependent on me.
  • I will not, at any point, compromise the integrity of my body for anyone, especially not someone who is going to end up taking all my money and resources and time and other valuables away from me in the future. Should anyone convince me otherwise, I know I wouldn’t want it in my heart and I would end up resenting the child.
But the primary reason? I have a hard enough time connecting with adult people. Why on earth would entrusting me with a small child be a good idea? I can barely fend for my own mental health needs. Place a small child in my hands and we’ll both fall.

But mostly? I just don’t like kids.

An honest assessment? This is about as honest as it gets. I know myself and there is nothing more honest than that.

If you are hoping or even thinking that I will change my mind or that I’m mistaken, this will not work...

IDIOT:

  • The world is not overpopulated.
  • You don’t know how much you’ll love a kid once you have one so you can’t make that claim.
  • You can have kids later in life (30+) after you’ve sorted out your life sufficiently.
  • It’s not taking it’s giving and I’d compromise my body for the life of my dog, let alone my child.
  • People get better at interacting with others. I did by massive amounts. It’s a skill you can improve on and reap benefits from.
  • You’re saying that you know yourself and what you want which I think is dishonest because no one has a perfect understanding of themselves nor the knowledge of something they’ve never even considered a possibility. If you genuinely believe those things and don’t have an open mind even when considering children, then I agree that you probably shouldn’t reproduce and that we probably won’t work out as a couple...
ME: (Going out of order at this point) Uhm yeah. That’s what I was trying to tell you. I’m not having kids. I will not consider having them at any point in time. I’m happy to discuss them, but you’d better be prepared for me to say “no” each and every time.

I won’t love the child, and I know this for a fact. I hate children.

I don’t want to. I want my stuff to be mine, I want to be able to live without having to worry about someone else’s schedule. By age thirty, there’s a higher chance of labor complications. The older I am, the more risk I place on my life and the child’s.

It’s a skill, but I do not wish to waste my time and energy interacting with someone I will not love.

I have considered it a possibility. Logically, it wouldn’t work. I could probably pull it off, but it would take an enormous amount of effort and time and it would stress me out.

I prefer not to take that effort and time.

Just because I genuinely believe these things doesn’t make me wrong or immoral. It means I have considered all possible angles and I know exactly what I want and have planned accordingly. I have been a loner for most of my life and think that more than one person in my home at a time would stress me out beyond reason. It’s why I know that I’d be just as happy single as in a relationship.

And I still, under no circumstances, would compromise my body.

There is no dishonesty in my statements. What you believe to be true for yourself does not apply to me. It’s great that you think everything can be opened or changed, but not everything can. This is how I feel about children. I will give you the same responses I always have.

Are you kidding? We have billions of people on this planet. The suicide rates mean nothing to you? There are too many people. I don’t need to contribute to the population, others are doing that just fine.

“Then I agree that you probably shouldn’t reproduce,” 😂 way to make things personal broooo. That’s not exactly a mature response to a life decision that I’ve made under careful consideration and discretion. But no matter. I wouldn’t want to compromise your morals for the sake of mine. It seems you were under the impression that I would some day change my mind and I have disappointed you, so you felt the need to make things personal.

Such antics are barbaric and unnecessary in this context as I have only given you what I believe to be true and factual under all circumstances. I’m sorry that I hurt you so much that you felt the need to personally attack me, but it seems as though you may need to reconsider your own words before you send them to me. But maybe I’m mistaken and you meant them honestly. In which case, I’d hate to pursue a relationship with someone who thinks he’s superior to me simply because of my own thoughts and beliefs.

NOW: He never responded after this. I blocked him shortly after. Thankfully, I never heard from him again.

Meanwhile, I have a CF boyfriend who loves me very much and we both know the world is clearly overpopulated.

TLDR: Idiot thinks I’m not actually CF and the world isn’t overpopulated and gets mad when he can’t convince me otherwise.
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yeesh.

weak insult but I thought it was kinda funny, from an argument she had with one of my sock accounts (she has had quite a few arguments)
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not 100% sure but she might have been sharing photo's of protesters outside her workplace (which is legal)
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I dunno, she's easy to bait into a flame war, and the best part is that she thinks she always "wins" or something. she's 100% oblivious to bait, and spends enough time online to actively try to argue shit with strangers on the internet. some aftermath of being baited:

[new info added]
[possible happening] I might be able to get her to give me the link to her "ban pitbulls' discord. from there opens many options. however I just realized the account I used was one with a lot of troll posts so she might vet it and decline giving the link. it should be easy to get a hold of though, if one poses as an "ally" to the "cause". ill report back later if I get a link and drop it here.
HAPPENING
HAPPENING
HAPPENING
I got the discord
ladies and gentlemen, we got her and all that jazz. i'm going to recon the server for a bit before I drop the link, don't want to kick off a raid by accident. i'll report back later. i'm going to ask if they have a facebook page or anything like that later.
 
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I'm sure some of you have already seen it, but this is a human that exists
 

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I'm sure some of you have already seen it, but this is a human that exists

Those “My Body, My Choice” people are not independent thinkers that know how to be responsible. They only know how to destroy other kids’ lives so they don’t have to destroy their own. It’s a matter of, “who can be the most selfish while I parade my own ego to people that never asked for my own opinion?”
 
She thinks women get pregnant for Instagram likes. And she's really mad nobody celebrated her getting a master's degree like women who got pregnant were celebrated, since getting a master's degree is so much more work and all. She thinks Catholics are against birth control because priests need more kids to molest.

Now, I will agree with her that it's not her duty to gestate white twins for rich infertile Caucasians who don't want to adopt a child of color. The way infertile people try to pressure girls into staying pregnant but giving them the baby is gross.
 
I wonder how many of the posters on that sub are parents role-playing the stereotypical child free hater or parents venting about their own kids under the guise of "my niece/nephew".
 
ladies and gentlemen, meet u/Clownose or "Clownose Jenkins". a frequenter of both r/childfree and r/antinatilism, as well as r/prochoice, r/abortion, r/birthstrike and is a personal lolcow of mine. she works in retail (or at least did) and is in her 20's.
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they used to have what I was pretty sure was a selfie for their profile pic, it has since been changed to some autistic cartoon, shame I never saved it.
here are a few examples of just how much this lady hates the human race, right off the bat we have this:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/comments/dcl1vf/should_there_be_a_license_to_breed/
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careful hun, you might cut yourself on that edge
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she trolls the r/prolife sub but there isn't much there worth screencapping, as its mostly one word responses, or snippy comments. you can get the idea that she spends way to much time on reddit.
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yikes. i'm guessing she's never been pregnant.
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and more child hate, this time for her own niece:
and more:
this one just makes me sad, her boss was honestly hoping she would change, and she snapped back at him, I mean holy fuck:
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you can tell she's a cat lady in the making, complete with a hatred for pitbulls:
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like she really, REALLY hates pitbulls. the copypasta of links is much longer than I can screengrab, and she posts it a lot. get a life, lady.
relevant to an earlier post of mine about women who use dogs to satisfy their mothering instincts: her dog.
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case in point:
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anyway she also has a fair amount of sjw stuff in her post history, but I don't want to spend hours looking for it.
strange, I went looking for anti child "child free" content, and while there certainly is quite a bit of it in her post history, she really has a lot of pitbull hate.
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funny, because she's the type of person to get salty over men saying they wouldn't date single mothers. can't expect logic from these people I suppose.
and the penny drops with this very real and not totally made up conversation she had with a guy on bumble:
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I honestly wonder what those 5 mental disorders are. there's probably more info out there to find on that.
here's the full post, which is totally real and not fabricated for internet points (a bit long)

[beginning] It’s long, so buckle up!

Here’s a conversation I had on Bumble with some idiot. Forgive me for how wordy it is, we were both being pretentious assholes. I didn’t send screenshots because it’s hard to edit those into one picture. Also, I had to rephrase and edit minor details (lightly, the content is still original and bears the same message).

I know I should have ended the conversation earlier but I was immature and it was in the heat of the moment.

On mobile, apologies.

Here’s the conversation:

ME: Is it a deal breaker that I’m not interested in having kiddos?

IDIOT: Is it a deal breaker if I say no, but I think that women tend to value having kids higher as they age?

ME: I mean, I’m pretty set. I’m not going to change my mind. There’s no way I’d ever change my mind 😂. Everyone says I will, but I’ve known from a young age what I do and don’t want, and that’s not going to change. So we can have the conversations, but they won’t change anything. So what I’m saying is, if you’re really okay with this, prepare to not have kids with me.

HIM: Well I can find buckets of examples of women who said exactly that and then wished in hindsight that they had kids. Therefore, sticking hard and fast to one value when the context of your life hasn’t been fully revealed to you is a little silly in my opinion. But I’m not writing off your reasons for not wanting kids, maybe you could even convince me that having kids wouldn’t be a good idea for us. I’m simply saying that you should be open to the idea that one day you may discover more about yourself or about the value of children and your mind may be changed. As long as you’re willing to have honest conversations then there’s no issue.

ME: Okay, then let me be honest here and now: my decision to not have kids in my life?

Isn’t silly, regardless if what you might think and comparing me or compartmentalizing me in with other women isn’t going to change that, it’s just going to make me angry.

It’s a conscious and real decision I have made for good reasons and I plan to stick by them. I will not have some child screw up my life because society tells me I’ll regret it when I’m older, and I will not compromise my values for society, or even my closest loved ones.

I have fought my family on this for years and have finally convinced them that they will not change my mind and they have come to agree with me that children would not be in my best interest.

So no, it isn’t silly. You know nothing about me and shouldnt assume you can just put me in a box with other women because that’s convenient for you. People aren’t simple. People aren’t convenient. To apply such rules to me is wrong and offensive to say the least.

HIM: I understand but I wasn’t comparing you to anyone I was just providing an example of people who felt about having kids the same way you do now then changed their mind. If you believe you have a perfect understanding of the value of children and a perfect understanding of your future self then I could see why you’d draw a hard line in the sand. My point is that wouldn’t be an honest assessment. But I don’t believe my understanding of these things is perfect either which is why I’m open to the possibility of being convinced by you.

But I wouldn’t want this to get in the way of us giving it a shot. This has already been the most promising conversation I’ve had with anyone from this app.

ME:

  • The world is overpopulated.
  • I have five mental disorders.
  • I am not caring or loving or nurturing. I would not provide my children with sufficient love or care.
  • I am more interested in my future. I haven’t lived my life for anyone else or changed for anyone else and I don’t intend to change my mindset.
  • I don’t like children. They’re immature, needy, stupid, and noisy.
  • I will not change my lifestyle for someone dependent on me. I don’t want anyone to be dependent on me.
  • I will not, at any point, compromise the integrity of my body for anyone, especially not someone who is going to end up taking all my money and resources and time and other valuables away from me in the future. Should anyone convince me otherwise, I know I wouldn’t want it in my heart and I would end up resenting the child.
But the primary reason? I have a hard enough time connecting with adult people. Why on earth would entrusting me with a small child be a good idea? I can barely fend for my own mental health needs. Place a small child in my hands and we’ll both fall.

But mostly? I just don’t like kids.

An honest assessment? This is about as honest as it gets. I know myself and there is nothing more honest than that.

If you are hoping or even thinking that I will change my mind or that I’m mistaken, this will not work...

IDIOT:

  • The world is not overpopulated.
  • You don’t know how much you’ll love a kid once you have one so you can’t make that claim.
  • You can have kids later in life (30+) after you’ve sorted out your life sufficiently.
  • It’s not taking it’s giving and I’d compromise my body for the life of my dog, let alone my child.
  • People get better at interacting with others. I did by massive amounts. It’s a skill you can improve on and reap benefits from.
  • You’re saying that you know yourself and what you want which I think is dishonest because no one has a perfect understanding of themselves nor the knowledge of something they’ve never even considered a possibility. If you genuinely believe those things and don’t have an open mind even when considering children, then I agree that you probably shouldn’t reproduce and that we probably won’t work out as a couple...
ME: (Going out of order at this point) Uhm yeah. That’s what I was trying to tell you. I’m not having kids. I will not consider having them at any point in time. I’m happy to discuss them, but you’d better be prepared for me to say “no” each and every time.

I won’t love the child, and I know this for a fact. I hate children.

I don’t want to. I want my stuff to be mine, I want to be able to live without having to worry about someone else’s schedule. By age thirty, there’s a higher chance of labor complications. The older I am, the more risk I place on my life and the child’s.

It’s a skill, but I do not wish to waste my time and energy interacting with someone I will not love.

I have considered it a possibility. Logically, it wouldn’t work. I could probably pull it off, but it would take an enormous amount of effort and time and it would stress me out.

I prefer not to take that effort and time.

Just because I genuinely believe these things doesn’t make me wrong or immoral. It means I have considered all possible angles and I know exactly what I want and have planned accordingly. I have been a loner for most of my life and think that more than one person in my home at a time would stress me out beyond reason. It’s why I know that I’d be just as happy single as in a relationship.

And I still, under no circumstances, would compromise my body.

There is no dishonesty in my statements. What you believe to be true for yourself does not apply to me. It’s great that you think everything can be opened or changed, but not everything can. This is how I feel about children. I will give you the same responses I always have.

Are you kidding? We have billions of people on this planet. The suicide rates mean nothing to you? There are too many people. I don’t need to contribute to the population, others are doing that just fine.

“Then I agree that you probably shouldn’t reproduce,” 😂 way to make things personal broooo. That’s not exactly a mature response to a life decision that I’ve made under careful consideration and discretion. But no matter. I wouldn’t want to compromise your morals for the sake of mine. It seems you were under the impression that I would some day change my mind and I have disappointed you, so you felt the need to make things personal.

Such antics are barbaric and unnecessary in this context as I have only given you what I believe to be true and factual under all circumstances. I’m sorry that I hurt you so much that you felt the need to personally attack me, but it seems as though you may need to reconsider your own words before you send them to me. But maybe I’m mistaken and you meant them honestly. In which case, I’d hate to pursue a relationship with someone who thinks he’s superior to me simply because of my own thoughts and beliefs.

NOW: He never responded after this. I blocked him shortly after. Thankfully, I never heard from him again.

Meanwhile, I have a CF boyfriend who loves me very much and we both know the world is clearly overpopulated.

TLDR: Idiot thinks I’m not actually CF and the world isn’t overpopulated and gets mad when he can’t convince me otherwise.
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yeesh.

weak insult but I thought it was kinda funny, from an argument she had with one of my sock accounts (she has had quite a few arguments)
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not 100% sure but she might have been sharing photo's of protesters outside her workplace (which is legal)
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I dunno, she's easy to bait into a flame war, and the best part is that she thinks she always "wins" or something. she's 100% oblivious to bait, and spends enough time online to actively try to argue shit with strangers on the internet. some aftermath of being baited:

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[possible happening] I might be able to get her to give me the link to her "ban pitbulls' discord. from there opens many options. however I just realized the account I used was one with a lot of troll posts so she might vet it and decline giving the link. it should be easy to get a hold of though, if one poses as an "ally" to the "cause". ill report back later if I get a link and drop it here.
This chick has more baggage than LAX, and more issues than Time Magazine.

I mean seriously, if you don't want kids, don't have them. Why overthink it?
 
I see a lot of similarity between childfree kooks and other preachy lifestyles like vegans and jesus freaks always shitting on others for making different completely reasonable choices


I've got quite the opposite, I have much more desire to have children than you would expect a man to have
 
I see a lot of similarity between childfree kooks and other preachy lifestyles like vegans and jesus freaks always shitting on others for making different completely reasonable choices

I've got quite the opposite, I have much more desire to have children than you would expect a man to have

Jesus freaks and Vegans actually have a purpose. All these child free folks can do, is rant.

Enjoy being normal, young man. Your future will be bright, as long as you don't pollute it with BS
 
It's not so much the shit I couldn't deal with as the noise, children and babies make horrible high pitched noises, even when they're not screaming that high pitched laugh they do is incredibly grating. Then when they learn to talk they never ever stop talking. Being a parent must be like being cold called 24/7 for over a decade and you can't turn the phone off or block the number.

Also there's the whole money thing, and what if you roll badly and end up with a disabled kid? Or your own personal CWC?

Plus how many people complain about never having any time to do the stuff they want once you factor in working for a living? Why would you want to add lots more work into your free time that you don't even get paid to do?

Just seems like lots of downsides for no real payoff
 
It's not so much the shit I couldn't deal with as the noise, children and babies make horrible high pitched noises, even when they're not screaming that high pitched laugh they do is incredibly grating. Then when they learn to talk they never ever stop talking. Being a parent must be like being cold called 24/7 for over a decade and you can't turn the phone off or block the number.
Yeah it's annoying as hell, their laughter is usually a step removed from their crying in terms of sound. When it comes to them talking though I can understand why they're excited. Until they manage to actually master words they have very few ways to interact with someone meaningfully. They can babble, scream, laugh, or make vague noises until they start developing enough to use language.

When they finally have it they're thrilled to bits though they can't understand the exact reason. It doesn't fully solve their noise but that perspective has always been a way for me to keep their noise from setting my teeth on edge.
Just seems like lots of downsides for no real payoff
The closest thing to a payoff is much later on assuming your child doesn't dedicate themselves wholly to shitting on you and everything you like. Though I know there's the biological drive for a child that is in many people that I think is what keeps yourself from just refusing.
 
↖↖↖↖↖disgusted. I am envisioning your kids perplexed, hurt and holding back tears as they are not allowed in their own space. "Why am I not wanted here?"

It is the same shitty feeling, to be displaced by adults on swings, and adult trick or treaters. Plus a note of rejection.

Is there an over 18 version of the film? There might be reason for the age limit. Otherwise you can make something up, like "that's the grown-up version, where they beat up Queen Elsa and it is too disgusting for awesome kids like you."

Anyway, OT ... Mumsnet is down the hall, to the left. 🤣
When you said an “Over 18 version of the film”. My dirty mind kicked in
If the place had a no high chair/stroller sign, then people who bring them in anyways are kind of being dicks.
Yeah, not to mention it isolates so many potential customers.


I mean I would get it if it was say, a Dive bar, or something, y’know a bar that pretty much just serves alcohol, and is a pretty depressing place in general. You really don’t want your kids in there. But at a regular restaurant? It makes no fucking sense!
 
I'm sure some of you have already seen it, but this is a human that exists

I don't know what happens after we die. I think what happens to us is greatly dependent on our actions during life. So I am unsure if having an abortion will automatically consign you to suffering. One thing I am sure of is that having an abortion without so much as a second thought, and celebrating and reveling in it afterwards, will surely be regarded with disgust by any deity.
 
One thing I am sure of is that having an abortion without so much as a second thought, and celebrating and reveling in it afterwards, will surely be regarded with disgust by any deity.
They are and should be regarded with disgust by anyone who isn't a malicious asshole. The choice is one I personally think should be allowed but at no point should you celebrate it or act like it's something funny.
 
I've legitimately never seen someone that brazen and proud about killing children. I can understand abortion in cases like incest, rape, or life-and-death, but this is a new level

I don't care if women want to celebrate that. They kept some awful genes out of the gene pool, even if it is just their own half (usually it isn't, think about the kind of guy who would fuck her).

It's not so much the shit I couldn't deal with as the noise, children and babies make horrible high pitched noises, even when they're not screaming that high pitched laugh they do is incredibly grating. Then when they learn to talk they never ever stop talking. Being a parent must be like being cold called 24/7 for over a decade and you can't turn the phone off or block the number.

Also there's the whole money thing, and what if you roll badly and end up with a disabled kid? Or your own personal CWC?

Plus how many people complain about never having any time to do the stuff they want once you factor in working for a living? Why would you want to add lots more work into your free time that you don't even get paid to do?

Just seems like lots of downsides for no real payoff
someone raised you. Go call them and ask them what they think.
 
Guys, it's fine to not want kids, it's a big decision and for some people, kids are a bad idea. Just don't act elitist about it and stop power-leveling in this thread.
 
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