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This is such a retardedly broad definition for brainwashing that it makes virtually everyone brainwashed at some point in their lives.

The vast majority of people who join cults are simply undereducated morons. They make what they believe to be rational decisions based on the information they have access to. Victims are people who have been raped or murdered. Someone who is told they are going to get a bunch of cool stuff, whether it’s on earth or in the ‘after-life’ (lol imagine believing in an after-life) and then do bad things for that stuff, aren’t victims. They’re perpetrators.

It’s the same pass people give niggers who steal because they think they’re too ‘low-IQ’ to understand property rights. It isn’t anyone else’s fault that someone is retarded enough to have a warped worldview. It’s their own fault, and natural selection agrees.

It’s why we shouldn’t help dumb people. We should allow them to die from their own idiocy.
Yes. Everyone has been brainwashed at some point in their lives. You’ve been conditioned to wear clothes, wait at stop signs, not shit on the street, etc. Human civilization is effectively a big cult. But thats not the point, at all.

Most people who join cults are not uneducated morons; even extremely wealthy and educated people can fall into a cult. The danger of a cult is in how it offers a sense of belonging, of moral rightness, of a better way, all for simple things in exchange. Most cults don’t last beyond a generation or two because they are hollow levers of control for the leader to use to exploit whoever joins and as soon as the big magnetic force of a charismatic leader is gone, people leave. But fundie cults are a bit different in that while they often rely on charisma to get started, they specifically target already religious people who want to distinguish themselves from the mainstream branch as more faithful and more into god, and are less likely to ask questions. Protestants don’t have the structured outlet valve Catholics and the Orthodox developed for the extremely faithful who want to have a deeper connection with the divine - the priesthood, the covenant and the monastic orders. Those organizations also attract abusers, but the very strict and structured lives appeals to plenty. This isn’t to say that these institutions aren’t also cult like, the major difference is in how in the modern era they’ve tried to pull back from temporal influence and crack down on bad behavior. Joining is also always a conscious choice now. For fundie cults this isn’t always the case.

Fundamentalist cults like the Quiverfull movement see their job as nothing short of changing all of society to be what they think of as righteous. Since not many people look at a fundie religious cult nowadays and think “I gotta join that”, their primary source of new members has to come from somewhere else - inside the cult. This is where the extreme focus on the authority of the man and the submission of the wife is coming from. Their only goal as women in the cult is to have more members for the cult. That’s it, the entire cult is focused around that and to do it in a way that justifies itself internally to the members and minimizes the chance that a member will run screaming to the authorities about abuse. Remember, these sorts of cults want to gain temporal authority and use it to spread their spiritual authority, to force society to become what they want it to be. Scandals make people wary, but since the structure of the cult isn’t a top down organized thing, this means that there isn’t any outlet valves or one hand watching another, it’s circles of fucked up people fucking up their kids and also fucking their kids.
 
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Needs caps of JimBob screeching asap
Oh, it's on his campaign website.

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His family has faced "problems" and this is all "fake news," guys. And this shit is on STILL on there, with the election on Tuesday. So it's reasonable to presume he still stands by it.

I can't believe I have to do this, but in keeping with "Kiwi protocol": Archive.

News articles from last month about this too:

 
Yes. Everyone has been brainwashed at some point in their lives. You’ve been conditioned to wear clothes, wait at stop signs, not shit on the street, etc. Human civilization is effectively a big cult. But thats not the point, at all.

Most people who join cults are not uneducated morons; even extremely wealthy and educated people can fall into a cult. The danger of a cult is in how it offers a sense of belonging, of moral rightness, of a better way, all for simple things in exchange. Most cults don’t last beyond a generation or two because they are hollow levers of control for the leader to use to exploit whoever joins and as soon as the big magnetic force of a charismatic leader is gone, people leave. But fundie cults are a bit different in that while they often rely on charisma to get started, they specifically target already religious people who want to distinguish themselves from the mainstream branch as more faithful and more into god, and are less likely to ask questions. Protestants don’t have the structured outlet valve catholics and the orthodox developed for the extremely faithful who want to have a deeper connection with the divine - the priesthood, the covenant and the monastic orders. Those organizations also attract abusers, but the very strict and structured lives appeals to plenty. This isn’t to say that these institutions aren’t also cult like, the major difference is in how in the modern era they’ve tried to pull back from temporal influence and crack down on bad behavior. Joining is also always a conscious choice now. For fudie cults this isn’t always the case.

Fundamentalist cults like the Quiverfull movement see their job as nothing short of changing all of society to be what they think of as righteous. Since not many people look at a fudie religious cult nowadays and think “I gotta join that”, their primary source of new members has to come from somewhere else - inside the cult. This is where the extreme focus on the authority of the man and the submission of the wife is coming from. Their only goal as women in the cult is to have more members for the cult. That’s it, the entire cult is focused around that and to do it in a way that justifies itself internally to the members and minimizes the chance that a member will run screaming to the authorities about abuse. Remember, these sorts of cults want to gain temporal authority and use it to spread their spiritual authority, to force society to become what they want it to be. Scandals make people wary, but since the structure of the cult isn’t a top down organized thing, this means that there isn’t any outlet valves or one hand watching another, it’s circles of fucked up people fucking up their kids and also fucking their kids.
What does any of this have to do with psychologically eliminating someone’s ability to choose to do good or evil? ‘Society conditioned me to fuck kids’ is bullshit, and anyone who disagrees with that is a pedo apologist.
 
What does any of this have to do with psychologically eliminating someone’s ability to choose to do good or evil? ‘Society conditioned me to fuck kids’ is bullshit, and anyone who disagrees with that is a pedo apologist.
Because the typical values of larger society are seen as corrupt by the cult, the values of good and evil within the cult change. This is brainwashing, and you seem to be too dumb to understand that. These cults have this fundimental set of rules.

1) Bad things are the influence of Satan or divine punishment for your sins

2) God wants women to be completely obedient to men.

3) Women should be modest and avoid provoking the lust of men

4) Men cheating is the fault of the woman as they were not sexually appealing enough.

This leads to cognitive fuckery. So while you and I see a man cheating on his wife as a failure of the man, cults like this see it as “Satan told that man to cheat, and he listened, but his wife didn’t do enough to stop him from giving into Satan and cheating so she’s more responsible.”

This sort of thinking also firmly places a big chunk of the responsibility on the victim - the wife. The wife who did nothing wrong. Who now gets punished for not being obedient enough.

In other words, while the man did a bad thing, he did it because an evil entity made him do it, he didn’t want to do it at all!

This breeds abuse like crazy, because the locus of control for responsibility is completely chucked out the window. While controlling everything the men can claim they have no control, while the women without any control believe they’re responsible. So to these fundies, while Josh did something horrible and wrong, the blame resides less on him and more on his wife and in the victims of his abuse. And thus they should forgive him because he wasn’t acting on his own control - Satan made him do it.

As a victim, it’s also an implication that God wanted you to suffer like this. Remember also that you’ve been taught that God is never ever wrong. So you must, must have done something wrong to be the victim. And the community of fundies often stresses that you’re responsible. Where’s the pamphlet these crazies use to try and explain why god is fine with sexual assault? Someone link that again, because obviously people haven’t read it in this thread yet who really need to.
 
What does any of this have to do with psychologically eliminating someone’s ability to choose to do good or evil? ‘Society conditioned me to fuck kids’ is bullshit, and anyone who disagrees with that is a pedo apologist.
I forgot if it was the FBI or CIA, but they tried brainwashing people for years & it didn't work. The furthest they got was convincing people they were never the people they remember being, but once that happened, they found they couldn't mold said people into becoming who they wanted because they refused to believe in their own identity no matter what it was.

The idea that following basic instructions like "don't shit on the carpet" or "stop at this red light" is brainwashing is just utterly fucking retarded.
 
I forgot if it was the FBI or CIA, but they tried brainwashing people for years & it didn't work. The furthest they got was convincing people they were never the people they remember being, but once that happened, they found they couldn't mold said people into becoming who they wanted because they refused to believe in their own identity no matter what it was.

The idea that following basic instructions like "don't shit on the carpet" or "stop at this red light" is brainwashing is just utterly fucking retarded.
It is brainwashing since the natural state of human beings doesn’t include stopping at red lights, wearing clothes, or even speech. All of those things are learned behavior, which society seeks to instill on people. Read Rousseau. Like seriously, read Rousseau.
 
Because the typical values of larger society are seen as corrupt by the cult, the values of good and evil within the cult change. This is brainwashing, and you seem to be too dumb to understand that. These cults have this fundimental set of rules.

1) Bad things are the influence of Satan or divine punishment for your sins

2) God wants women to be completely obedient to men.

3) Women should be modest and avoid provoking the lust of men

4) Men cheating is the fault of the woman as they were not sexually appealing enough.

This leads to cognitive fuckery. So while you and I see a man cheating on his wife as a failure of the man, cults like this see it as “Satan told that man to cheat, and he listened, but his wife didn’t do enough to stop him from giving into Satan and cheating so she’s more responsible.”

This sort of thinking also firmly places a big chunk of the responsibility on the victim - the wife. The wife who did nothing wrong. Who now gets punished for not being obedient enough.

In other words, while the man did a bad thing, he did it because an evil entity made him do it, he didn’t want to do it at all!

This breeds abuse like crazy, because the locus of control for responsibility is completely chucked out the window. While controlling everything the men can claim they have no control, while the women without any control believe they’re responsible. So to these fundies, while Josh did something horrible and wrong, the blame resides less on him and more on his wife and in the victims of his abuse. And thus they should forgive him because he wasn’t acting on his own control - Satan made him do it.

As a victim, it’s also an implication that God wanted you to suffer like this. Remember also that you’ve been taught that God is never ever wrong. So you must, must have done something wrong to be the victim. And the community of fundies often stresses that you’re responsible. Where’s the pamphlet these crazies use to try and explain why god is fine with sexual assault? Someone link that again, because obviously people haven’t read it in this thread yet who really need to.
How can the values of fucking kids change? Nobody actually thinks fucking kids is okay. All of that is made-up bullshit people use to try to justify a world in which bad shit happens. It’s not brainwashing. It’s not pyschological. It’s not conditioning. It’s just people trying to weasel their way out of the fact that they or someone they are affiliated with are evil. News flash: evil people actually exist, and they always know they are evil.

Look at what’s going on in Austria with the vaccine. Mandates, passports, second-class citizenry: all that is questionable but I wouldn’t say it’s black and white evil. You have people on both sides making good-faith arguments for one way or the other. But the doctors who have been injecting a population that is now expressing contempt for it? They are now physically feeling that they are violating their consciences, meaning they have crossed the line from grey morality to objective evil.

That’s another Great Lie we’ve been fed our whole lies: that morality is subjective. The objectivity of morality is as obvious as Michelle Obama’s sex.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-megathread.65421/post-1067017
 
How can the values of fucking kids change? Nobody actually thinks fucking kids is okay. All of that is made-up bullshit people use to try to justify a world in which bad shit happens. It’s not brainwashing. It’s not pyschological. It’s not conditioning. It’s just people trying to weasel their way out of the fact that they or someone they are affiliated with are evil. News flash: evil people actually exist, and they always know they are evil.

Look at what’s going on in Austria with the vaccine. Mandates, passports, second-class citizenry: all that is questionable but I wouldn’t say it’s black and white evil. You have people on both sides making good-faith arguments for one way or the other. But the doctors who have been injecting a population that is now expressing contempt for it? They are now physically feeling that they are violating their consciences, meaning they have crossed the line from grey morality to objective evil.

That’s another Great Lie we’ve been fed our whole lies: that morality is subjective. The objectivity of morality is as obvious as Michelle Obama’s sex.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-megathread.65421/post-1067017
Michelle and JimBob Duggar seem to think fucking kids is ok
 
How can the values of fucking kids change? Nobody actually thinks fucking kids is okay. All of that is made-up bullshit people use to try to justify a world in which bad shit happens. It’s not brainwashing. It’s not pyschological. It’s not conditioning. It’s just people trying to weasel their way out of the fact that they or someone they are affiliated with are evil. News flash: evil people actually exist, and they always know they are evil.

Look at what’s going on in Austria with the vaccine. Mandates, passports, second-class citizenry: all that is questionable but I wouldn’t say it’s black and white evil. You have people on both sides making good-faith arguments for one way or the other. But the doctors who have been injecting a population that is now expressing contempt for it? They are now physically feeling that they are violating their consciences, meaning they have crossed the line from grey morality to objective evil.

That’s another Great Lie we’ve been fed our whole lies: that morality is subjective. The objectivity of morality is as obvious as Michelle Obama’s sex.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/wuhan-coronavirus-megathread.65421/post-1067017
Then explain how a society can develop human sacrifice. Explain how a society can accept the marriage of children.

Perspective is shaped by environment and by what you learn and see and do. The idea of an absolute moral constant is by its nature, immoral, as it is imposing what you see as moral as the one truth and depriving others of their agency and free will.
 
Didn't the windstorms tearing up America right now start in Arkansas? Dinkleberg! Duggar!

Also, I shake my cane at this current generation for inventing pedophiles. What were they thinking?

And "cancel culture" is just a modern term for "You're icky and we don't want you to sit with us." It is not a new thing either.
 
Then explain how a society can develop human sacrifice. Explain how a society can accept the marriage of children.

Perspective is shaped by environment and by what you learn and see and do. The idea of an absolute moral constant is by its nature, immoral, as it is imposing what you see as moral as the one truth and depriving others of their agency and free will.
Those societies are evil. There’s a reason God flooded the earth.

Moral subjectivity is imposing because you’re depriving people their agency to commit evil. These dumb pseudophilosophical arguments just make you look retarded.
 
I forgot if it was the FBI or CIA, but they tried brainwashing people for years & it didn't work.
CIA. MKULTRA.

But guys... aren't we like REALLY getting into the weeds here? Josh was NOT brainwashed. What happened is that he's a goddamned pedo, and daddy didn't teach him the difference between right and wrong when he molested his sisters two decades ago and instead it was all covered up at the time. Thankfully, their money and influence couldn't buy an acquittal, Josh will rot in prison for a long time, and hopefully daddy Jim Bob gets his ass handed to him on Tuesday (I don't care if his opponent is a card carrying Communist).

The end.
 
Didn't the windstorms tearing up America right now start in Arkansas?
Yeah, I have a feeling that the storm is going to make Jim Bob confident that his prayers control the weather.

Unfortunately for Jim Bob, God hates him so he knocked down a nursing home and an Amazon warehouse instead of the prison walls so Josh could walk free. Except that's not how it works, but don't tell fundies that.
 
CIA. MKULTRA.

But guys... aren't we like REALLY getting into the weeds here? Josh was NOT brainwashed. What happened is that he's a goddamned pedo, and daddy didn't teach him the difference between right and wrong when he molested his sisters two decades ago and instead it was all covered up at the time. Thankfully, their money and influence couldn't buy an acquittal, Josh will rot in prison for a long time, and hopefully daddy Jim Bob gets his ass handed to him on Tuesday (I don't care if his opponent is a card carrying Communist).

The end.
All I did was extend that to saying ALL pedos are not brainwashed and a bunch of pedo apologists came out of the woodwork to tell me how wrong and stupid I am, and how if you AHKSHUALLY read Rousseau and Locke you’d learn that being a pedophile is what True Enlightened Thinkers do.

These threads never fail to deliver us new revelations on just how many undercover pedos are lurking among us.
 
Those societies are evil. There’s a reason God flooded the earth.

Moral subjectivity is imposing because you’re depriving people their agency to commit evil. These dumb pseudophilosophical arguments just make you look retarded.
Except there never was a great flood. There never was any grand punishment for any of our sins. To believe such is irrational.

I fully understand that morality is relative and subjective, because what we define as evil may be good, and what is good is evil depending on a variety of factors, situations and people. What I do know is that we seek to build structures to keep our views spread around and agree with others what our definitions of morality are, and how we should behave. Morality is a social contract between society and the individual, it is the rules you are expected to follow and obey and it is the authority of the social contract itself and enforced not by the divine in this world but by society and man. By accepting that free will exists you also accept that the will of many is to give up their decision to freely decide what “good” is and instead base it on what is around them and what the social contract demands. Everything we know is constructed and interpreted by flawed biological machines.

We as a society decide what is right and what is wrong. Cults are societies within a society that often defy this morality. They have a right to do so but they have no right to not expect punishment from society for breaking rules that they themselves agreed to.

All I did was extend that to saying ALL pedos are not brainwashed and a bunch of pedo apologists came out of the woodwork to tell me how wrong and stupid I am, and how if you AHKSHUALLY read Rousseau and Locke you’d learn that being a pedophile is what True Enlightened Thinkers do.

These threads never fail to deliver us new revelations on just how many undercover pedos are lurking among us.
And you completely miss the entire point of what I was saying, why I was saying it and why this cult accepts pedos like Josh. Everyone is intrinsically brainwashed by society in certain basic principles, these principles can and do change as times go on and cultures and beliefs and what is considered “correct thinking” shifts around because things change. To people 400 years ago the idea that we’d tolerate even discussing if a divine being exists, commonly accepting ursury, and a free press would be anathema, as we look at them and see their acceptance of political child marriages, murdering of neighbors over minor religious differences, and their acceptance of “divine right” as anathema. If moral truth is constant then societies would never change and be identical in all places, this is not the case.
 
These threads never fail to deliver us new revelations on just how many undercover pedos are lurking among us.
Ah, it make me reminiscent for the days when reddit hosted a no-judgement thread for rapists asking why they do what they do.

The collective answer seemed to be: they assumed that everyone else raped too, but they just didn't like to talk about it - a sort of silent societal agreement. The rapists assumed everyone else thinks and does exactly like them, so it's totally normal and fine.

I presume pedos are the same: they beleive everyone else secretly thinks and acts just like them.

This is how you get a rapist pedo like Josh who jokes around and grins in his mugshots, because all his past experience has been that everyone rapes kids and gets off to child rape and torture: it's just those stupid libs and their ridiculous laws that make much ado about nothing. How could a jury with MEN on it find him guilty of totally normal behavior?

Josh is in for a suprise come sentencing.
 
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And you completely miss the entire point of what I was saying, why I was saying it and why this cult accepts pedos like Josh. Everyone is intrinsically brainwashed by society in certain basic principles, these principles can and do change as times go on and cultures and beliefs and what is considered “correct thinking” shifts around because things change. To people 400 years ago the idea that we’d tolerate even discussing if a divine being exists, commonly accepting ursury, and a free press would be anathema, as we look at them and see their acceptance of political child marriages, murdering of neighbors over minor religious differences, and their acceptance of “divine right” as anathema. If moral truth is constant then societies would never change and be identical in all places, this is not the case.
You want to live in a society with child marriage? That’s even worse.
 
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