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Kelly Havens, the fundie who cosplays as an unmoisturized Anne of Green Gables, was going to attempt a home birth but instead had to seek assistance because of placenta previa. Her father is apparently an OB and told her to go to the hospital, while her midwife wanted her to lay around and "see what happens". In true Reddit fashion, mods permabanned a shitload of people for pointing out that her birth story is dykey as hell. Kelly often becomes obsessed with other women (whether she's closeted or just has bpd remains to be seen).

For reasons that escape me she has broken her birth story into SIX PARTS.

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Apologies if I fucked up the photos, I can never remember how to post them.
 
Kelly cracks me up. Her prose is so, so bad, but it's utterly hilarious. She's always sexualizing . . . well, everything. Male, female, and even vegetable. This birth story is indeed extremely sexual, but that's just Kelly being Kelly.

"My cervix was an unfolding rose"-- you can't make this stuff up.

I'll give her credit, though: her physician father said she needed to go to the hospital, and it sounds like she immediately took his advice and jettisoned her home birth plans. When the doctor said she needed a C section, she apparently agreed. She's insane and absolutely does not need a brood of children, but at least she did the right thing here.

Parts three and four under spoilers below. Screenshots are via Reddit.

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I have no idea how I screwed the formatting on this up so badly. Please forgive me. This is parts three and four of Kelly's brith story. It's all above, if you click to expand.
 
At least she actually went to a hospital. Are her parents crazy fundies like she is?

I'm surprised we don't have a fundie version of Luna with how much fundies love homebirths.
 
After Franke was arrested, she claimed that one of her children had molested a younger sibling for years on end, and had been reading pornographic material since the age of 3. I don't know how the hell a 3-year-old could have gotten access to porn (especially in that household), and that part of her statement may well be delusional bullshit, but given the evidence, you have to wonder if there was some truth to her claim. It would certainly explain why entire sections of the diary are blacked out.
There was an interview with Jodi Hikdebrandt's niece, who was "treated" by Jodi, and it sounds like the sexual allegations are just a thing she does.
Whether or not it's true is questionable, since they are fundies, but there's a pattern of accusations and abuse.
 
After Franke was arrested, she claimed that one of her children had molested a younger sibling for years on end, and had been reading pornographic material since the age of 3. I don't know how the hell a 3-year-old could have gotten access to porn (especially in that household), and that part of her statement may well be delusional bullshit, but given the evidence, you have to wonder if there was some truth to her claim. It would certainly explain why entire sections of the diary are blacked out.

There was an interview with Jodi Hikdebrandt's niece, who was "treated" by Jodi, and it sounds like the sexual allegations are just a thing she does.

She accused the son-- who's 11, I think?-- of the years of sexual abuse of his siblings, neighborhood children, and god knows who else. This accusation contradicts everything else that anyone has ever said or observed about the kid. He was initially placed in a foster care with no children because of Ruby's accusation, but he's now in a foster home with his sister. We can't know exactly what's going on with a CPS/DCFS investigation, but that strongly indicates that Ruby's accusation was found to be baseless.

As @anliteralidiot said, those accusations are just a Jodi thing. Another man, Adam Paul Steed, who successfully got Jodi's license dinged at one point, was also accused of sexual misconduct. There was a lot of detail with his story, shared on the Mormon Stories podcast, but someone-- either his ex-wife or someone with Connections-- got it taken down by threatening legal action. At any rate, he had managed to snare actual evidence of Jodi instructing his (now ex) wife how to make it sound like he was sexually abusing their kid.

She also convinced Kevin Franke (who's a scuzzbucket in his own right) that he had a porn addiction. Maybe he did, maybe he just looked at porn sometimes, maybe it was an addiction according to the church, but that's what he believed. Steed said that other men in the men's groups Jodi coordinated were all being convinced that they had porn addictions.

Jodi is just really weirdly obsessed with sex and porn. She was apparently sexually abused as a child herself, which doesn't excuse one single thing she's done as an adult-- but it might give some idea about where she's getting this stuff.

The redacted parts are probably just things about the kids that don't pertain to the case, maybe things about the children that were too private to release. It's also possible that they pertain to another higher-up in Jodi's organization, Pam Bodtcher. She hasn't (yet) been charged with anything but was involved with Jodi's nonsense.
 
Do pronatalists belong here? I read this article, and these parents are goofy as fuck.
Malcolm Collins
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I want to dig deeper simply because of how interesting these people are, but if it doesn't belong here, let me know.
 
Do pronatalists belong here? I read this article, and these parents are goofy as fuck.
Malcolm Collins
Another version
I want to dig deeper simply because of how interesting these people are, but if it doesn't belong here, let me know.
I think so.

You know those kids are going no contact as adults and probably won't be having many (or any) kids of their own. Especially the eldest daughters since you know they're going to end up being the actual parents of their siblings.
 
Malcolm and Simone Collins have three children: six-month-old daughter Titan Invictus, and sons Octavian George, four, and Torsten Savage, two. They use IVF to have their kids, and they hope to have seven children in total.

Simone is currently eight months pregnant with their fourth child, a girl they're going to call Industry Americus Collins. Both parents are also autistic, which they see as a strength.

When conceiving Titan Invictus - a name the decided upon because they feared a feminine name would be taken less seriously - they used genetic testing and embryo selection to eliminate genes connected with conditions like obesity and depression.

No shit the parents are autistic, they’re naming their kids like they’re jaegers from Pacific Rim. What’s next - Cherno Alpha? Striker Eureka?
 
I think so.

You know those kids are going no contact as adults and probably won't be having many (or any) kids of their own. Especially the eldest daughters since you know they're going to end up being the actual parents of their siblings.
Not very likely, sadly.
There's a reason "generational trauma" is a thing, though it's often misused in hilarious ways like claiming slavery, what it actually is, is a child continues the cycle of abuse. If this is all you've ever known, you won't likely look for something different. It takes a vwry special kind of person to be able to leave a cult like mindset and cut contact.
Fuck I've known people with relatively "mild" (as in only verbal) abuse that struggle to cut contact.
Even if it's better for you, and you know it's better, a good portion of people are too afraid to jump into the unknown, even if tgat unknown is only good, it's still unfamiliar and scary.
Whenever I read these stories, I just pray for a miracle that at least one will escape.
 
I read that article yesterday. The worst part was when the dad just hauled off and slapped the younger son across the face in the middle of the restaurant, then justified it because that’s what animals do. Sir, are you raising animals or human beings? They’re not Bible-thumpers but they have a lot of the same ideas as the RETVRN TO TRAD conservative narcissists. There is no love in that family and I don’t think either parent is capable of it; the children exist only to serve the parents’ egos and ideology.
 
Do pronatalists belong here? I read this article, and these parents are goofy as fuck.
Malcolm Collins
Another version
I want to dig deeper simply because of how interesting these people are, but if it doesn't belong here, let me know.
You’d think these autistic geniuses would concern themselves with the unpredictability of autism presentation rather than a controllable issue like obesity. A sperm donor portrayed himself as a genius marathon runner (6’1” and 240lbs, lol) and managed to sire multiple kids who continued to wear diapers and have shrieking meltdowns well into elementary school. The donor didn’t speak until he was three and went to a school for children with developmental disorders.

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You’d think these autistic geniuses would concern themselves with the unpredictability of autism presentation rather than a controllable issue like obesity. A sperm donor portrayed himself as a genius marathon runner (6’1” and 240lbs, lol) and managed to sire multiple kids who continued to wear diapers and have shrieking meltdowns well into elementary school. The donor didn’t speak until he was three and went to a school for children with developmental disorders.

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Why do morons feel such a compulsive need to breed?
 
I read that article yesterday. The worst part was when the dad just hauled off and slapped the younger son across the face in the middle of the restaurant, then justified it because that’s what animals do. Sir, are you raising animals or human beings? They’re not Bible-thumpers but they have a lot of the same ideas as the RETVRN TO TRAD conservative narcissists. There is no love in that family and I don’t think either parent is capable of it; the children exist only to serve the parents’ egos and ideology.
Especially since toddlers literally don't have the capacity to understand why they're being hit, they just know they're being hit by someone that's supposed to love and care for them and learn to fear them instead.

Even if they aren't religious they sure as fuck subscribe to all the fucked up religious breeding fetish beliefs. Wouldn't be surprised if they also blanket train their babies, especially since we know they're hitting toddlers.
 
Unsurprisingly, Baptist pastors have been trying to tamper with and destroy evidence amidst the SBC abuse investigation.

Every single time the SBC has a convention, it's a new headline and a new batch of craziness. I swear that the convention brings something out in them.

Moving on: I don't quite know where this belongs, but I'll put it here because it concerns a fundie family-- and a potential birth injury, baby with possible issues, home birth that may not have gone right, no doctors on board, chiropractors, supplements . . .

Note at the beginning: I collected all this media from Reddit. If you see usernames or info from people's phones, that's their stuff, not mine.

In brief, this is Mother Bus. She and her creepy husband travel the US in their bus, and they now have 8 children (I think). The majority of the kids are boys, so these children have a brother-dad rather than a sister-mom; the oldest/tallest son is the one who does childcare.

The most recent child was born in the bus bathroom, and the father delivered him. No adults were present except the mother (obviously) and the father. the father also used the word "pulled" when describing how the kid came into this world-- make of that what you will. They took him to a chiropractor to get him "adjusted" right after birth, and they weighed him on the scale at either UPS or FedEx-- forget which. That is the entire extent of the health care, pre- and post-natal, that this poor child has received. She was at 41 weeks, possibly more, when she delivered.

The child had jaundice, and, when followers kept calling her out, she took him outside in the sun-- with no coverings of any sort, which lead to him getting sunburned. That's no big deal, though, because he sleeps on a special sheepskin mat that . . . I dunno, woo something or the other. Think Robyn, but Christian fundamentalist.

He does not appear to respond to anything other than very bright lights, and his head just lolls-- like, more than a small child's head would usually loll. His wrists, particularly his right wrist, are always in a contorted position that you can see in the photos. In some photos, his eyes look cloudy. He doesn't really smile or laugh, or look at his parents, or respond to voices-- which is another thing, it's not clear how much he's hearing.

I'm going to put all the photos and video under spoilers in case anyone doesn't want to see this kind of content. This is the tip of the post-baby iceberg as far as media goes; I'm only scratching the surface of what's available on Reddit, and I can grab more. I also only very briefly glossed over her lore, since it didn't directly relate to this particular post. If you want more photos and videos, I will get them-- just let me know.

Baby's name is Boone. He's somewhere between 7 and 9 weeks old; I forget. These photos are all no more than about 10 days old.

You can see his fixed wrist position in these. The right arm is the one that's primarily affected.

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Don't worry; they have sheepskin!

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I'll put this one outside the spoiler because it is SO obnoxious. It's also Mother Bus in a nutshell, really. She's super into social media and clapping back at the haters, and she doesn't seem to care much about her children.

 
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