Proof that Catholicism is true

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@Fagatron My question is, was it Kung’s book on Papal Infallibility that made you hit a wall and lose your faith, or was it something else?
 
Jacob Harrison said:
@Fagatron My question is, was it Kung’s book on Papal Infallibility that made you hit a wall and lose your faith, or was it something else?
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I didn't give much thought to Papal Infallibility at the start honestly, though it did creep in later. I'd already come to the conclusion Infalliability was nonsense before getting the book, but I'd heard Kung had other reasons for dismissing it (I'd based most of mine on Vatican I and the widespread rejection of it among the laity, clergy and bishops once the idea became public).

I started to question when I was presented with moral problems in some of my pastoral training, they weren't serious doubts at first but my instinctive gut reaction despite being told that it was "The Lords will" was that it was wrong. (I trained within SSPX seminaries, who are far stricter and adhere to older practices the mainstrem Church has abandoned since Vatican II. However, the content of the training itself is mostly identical)

Pastoral care and being able to provide spiritual and moral counsel is fairly important for a cleric, and quite frequently we would be confronted with real examples our teachers had seen in their time in ministry, and we were tested to see if we gave the "right" answer in all instances. To furnish you with some examples of the "right" answer, none of these are SSPX exclusive fanaticism, they remain true in mainstream Catholicism too....

>A woman who's husband cheated on her and caught AIDS sins when she denies her cheating husband sex, and she also sins if she uses contraception to prevent herself catching it.
>A 15 year old with testicular cancer comitts mass murder if he gets his semen frozen before undergoing a life-saving operation that will render him sterile.
>A teenager who is being sexually abused as a child sins if he shares his story with his family, because he could risk leading them away from the Catholic Church.

I couldn't swallow this stuff from day one, and my instructors got increasingly frustrated with me over it until I just mindlessly parroted off what I predicted they wanted to hear. I mean, surely if it was good a good action would result in people being happy and suffering less, not actually being worse off than they were before when it could have been prevented? It is insane, but when you're locked in a seminary with a bunch of dudes all repeating the same thing it's a bit like living in a madhouse, except it feels like you're the only one who's insane for not agreeing and not understanding that masturbation is worse than rape and that women are innately evil temptresses. Perhaps there is truth in the "avoiding the wordly", because somewhere along the line I'd adopted humanistic views on morality; that good is what brings about human flourishing, whereas good to a Catholic is what brings about Gods will which can very often involve a good deal of human suffering.

My doubts started from there. I'm not a weak minded person, and even in a hot house like that designed to break you down and rebuilt you into what the seminary believes to be the ideal man I retained my own opinons. I did try and learn more about their line of reasoning...And the deeper I went, the more and more ridiculous it all seemed. I hit a point I believed God was amoral or evil before actually reaching "it's all bullshit".
 
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heres an interesting thing to think about, everyone who is in some position of power worships some kind of demonic god. HRC is making sacrifices to Moloch as confirmed by her wikileaks emails, podesta is fucking children, gloria vanderbilt (anderson coopers mother) had a artifact of jesus being eaten by moloch in her bed chamber. why? why is it that all the super elite worships this demonic figure? if you believe in karma youre a dumb fucking faggot. these people rape children and have unrivaled power. and if we posit an evil being exists then the opposite must exist as well especially since the demons they worship are from the christian canon.
 
Bleachedanoos said:
heres an interesting thing to think about, everyone who is in some position of power worships some kind of demonic god. HRC is making sacrifices to Moloch as confirmed by her wikileaks emails, podesta is fucking children, gloria vanderbilt (anderson coopers mother) had a artifact of jesus being eaten by moloch in her bed chamber. why? why is it that all the super elite worships this demonic figure? if you believe in karma youre a dumb fucking faggot. these people rape children and have unrivaled power. and if we posit an evil being exists then the opposite must exist as well especially since the demons they worship are from the christian canon.
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Moloch isn't a Christian demon, you absolute legend: he's a Caananite god, likely the same one as "Baal" and Baalzebub" ("Molech" means "shameful king", "Baal" "lord", and "Baalzebub" "The lord of vermin": the last name was exclusively used as an insult by Israelites to worshipers of Baal, and the first name was used by the Canaanites in the uncorrupted form Melech, which just means "king"); mostly likely the Caananite equivalent of the Babylonian war-god Nergal or Marduk, chief of the gods. You might as well argue that, because all of these people are powerful and they make sacrifices to Baal that the Canaanites were right all along and the Mesopotamian pantheon is true.

I'd love citations for your absurd claims, especially that "all the elite" worship one specific deity.
>inb4 paranoid ravings about how the bull outside the NYSE is actually a Brass Bull and evidence Wall Street worships Moloch
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
Moloch isn't a Christian demon, you absolute legend: he's a Caananite god, likely the same one as "Baal" and Baalzebub" ("Molech" means "shameful king", "Baal" "lord", and "Baalzebub" "The lord of vermin": the last name was exclusively used as an insult by Israelites to worshipers of Baal, and the first name was used by the Canaanites in the uncorrupted form Melech, which just means "king"); mostly likely the Caananite equivalent of the Babylonian war-god Nergal or Marduk, chief of the gods. You might as well argue that, because all of these people are powerful and they make sacrifices to Baal that the Canaanites were right all along and the Mesopotamian pantheon is true.

I'd love citations for your absurd claims, especially that "all the elite" worship one specific deity.
>inb4 paranoid ravings about how the bull outside the NYSE is actually a Brass Bull and evidence Wall Street worships Moloch
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hey youve already established yourself as severely retarded with the "derp african population wont grow lol/ women have sam braine as men" let it be. Adults are talking here.

Belezebub is a demon in the old testament, aside from worshiping at the bohemian grove these people also worship baphomet and beezelebub. They engage in child sacrifice and blood ritual which is something Jews have always done after the death of christ. for whatever reason the elites are worshipping literal demons. .Celion dion's new product line has direct references to baphomet with a picture of a kid wearing a ram's head, and the symbol of the damned. these people worship demons.
 
Bleachedanoos said:
hey youve already established yourself as severely exceptional with the "derp african population wont grow lol/ women have sam braine as men" let it be. Adults are talking here.

Belezebub is a demon in the old testament, aside from worshiping at the bohemian grove these people also worship baphomet and beezelebub. They engage in child sacrifice and blood ritual which is something Jews have always done after the death of christ. for whatever reason the elites are worshipping literal demons. .Celion dion's new product line has direct references to baphomet with a picture of a kid wearing a ram's head, and the symbol of the damned. these people worship demons.
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Okay, so you're just going to regurgitate /pol/ memes without any context, cognition, or attempt at support, per usual. How does it feel to be so emotionally and intellectually stunted that only pathetic cunts like Atomwaffen Division (who worship Satan, BTW) take your ideas seriously?
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
Okay, so you're just going to regurgitate /pol/ memes without any context, cognition, or attempt at support, per usual. How does it feel to be so emotionally and intellectually stunted that only pathetic cunts like Atomwaffen Division (who worship Satan, BTW) take your ideas seriously?
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good one retard. this is why you are so retarded. thats like saying you had a sheet of 100 answers and one was right and then you would say as a retard look 99 people thought it was wrong
 
Bruh. We're all going to hell for petty shit that the pope hates anyway, you can't save us.
Certainly not with kiddie diddling priests and bans on condoms.
 
Bleachedanoos said:
hey youve already established yourself as severely exceptional with the "derp african population wont grow lol/ women have sam braine as men" let it be. Adults are talking here.

Belezebub is a demon in the old testament, aside from worshiping at the bohemian grove these people also worship baphomet and beezelebub. They engage in child sacrifice and blood ritual which is something Jews have always done after the death of christ. for whatever reason the elites are worshipping literal demons. .Celion dion's new product line has direct references to baphomet with a picture of a kid wearing a ram's head, and the symbol of the damned. these people worship demons.
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Or, and I’m just spitballing here, lots of people don’t believe in demons at all and just reference them either to be edgy or because if you view them as fictional characters Baphomet and friends are pretty fucking badass

MilkMage said:
Jesus is cool and good
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Jesus is just alright with me, tbh
 
ProgKing of the North said:
Or, and I’m just spitballing here, lots of people don’t believe in demons at all and just reference them either to be edgy or because if you view them as fictional characters Baphomet and friends are pretty fucking badass


Jesus is just alright with me, tbh
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good one brainlet. yes these hollywood elites worship the same god because its just edgy fun!
no it definetly has nothing to do with the fact they all worship the same demons,

BTW Jesus is super cool and I love Jesus and you wont change that!!
 
Bleachedanoos said:
nice faggot check the thread where one of you niggers called me out. I have over 600 tinder matches. dont ever insult jesus again you fucking massive faggot
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Jesus died nailed to a cross with a crown of thorns on his head and a spear in his side. I don’t think he’d be too bothered by insults on a shitposting forum.
 
Now I wish that Catholicism is true even more. Two days ago my grandmother died. She grew up Mennonite but converted to Catholicism when she met my Polish grandfather. She was a very devout Catholic who lived a saintly life. She was very kind and loving.

One time, a dying Jewish man at the nursing home said that she was sent by God, and converted to Christianity before his death.

Today, I was at the vigil/wake and the Priest did a prayer of intercession for her soul. If I was still Catholic, I would have a lot of comfort that she is a saint in heaven, or at least in purgatory to be cleansed of venial sins before going to heaven.

Now that I am agnostic, I do not know what happened to her when she died.
 
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Jacob Harrison said:
Now I wish that Catholicism is true even more. Two days ago my grandmother died. She grew up Mennonite but converted to Catholicism when she met my Polish grandfather. She was a very devout Catholic who lived a saintly life. She was very kind and loving.

One time, a dying Jewish man at the nursing home said that she was sent by God, and converted to Christianity before his death.

Today, I was at the vigil/wake and the Priest did a prayer of intercession for her soul. If I was still Catholic, I would have a lot of comfort that she is a saint in heaven, or at least in purgatory to be cleansed of venial sins before going to heaven.

Now that I am agnostic, I do not know what happened to her when she died.
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You're still coming back to this thread for actual human conversation? Kinda seems like it turned into a shitshow.

Well, look man, if you're having those feelings now, is it really true that you would have had comfort had you not acknowledged your own doubts? You didn't know what happened to her before, either.

It seems like you have a curious mind, you're willing to look into things even when they go against what you believe. So could you ever be satisfied some group already had all the answers? Wouldn't you just be in the same state as you are now, except also worried about being damned for your own doubt? Although I suspect you probably have some worry of that in the back of your mind, it's the part that hangs on the longest. It's kinda like George said on Seinfeld. He's not religious, except for the bad stuff. You can be intellectually irreligious while still having irrational religious fears.

I also think you're making a classic assumption lots of people make. That is that all these other people who appear confident in their own beliefs truly are. Nobody knows, everyone suffers from impostor syndrome. It's a scary thought, but you are just as well suited as any other person to find the right answers. It's downright terrifying how often the best possible answer is "I don't know, and the people saying they know don't know either".

You sound like you're fairly young, so you will learn over time. Keep that sense of independent thought, wherever it takes you.
 
Corbin Dallas Multipass said:
You're still coming back to this thread for actual human conversation? Kinda seems like it turned into a shitshow.

Well, look man, if you're having those feelings now, is it really true that you would have had comfort had you not acknowledged your own doubts? You didn't know what happened to her before, either.

It seems like you have a curious mind, you're willing to look into things even when they go against what you believe. So could you ever be satisfied some group already had all the answers? Wouldn't you just be in the same state as you are now, except also worried about being damned for your own doubt? Although I suspect you probably have some worry of that in the back of your mind, it's the part that hangs on the longest. It's kinda like George said on Seinfeld. He's not religious, except for the bad stuff. You can be intellectually irreligious while still having irrational religious fears.

I also think you're making a classic assumption lots of people make. That is that all these other people who appear confident in their own beliefs truly are. Nobody knows, everyone suffers from impostor syndrome. It's a scary thought, but you are just as well suited as any other person to find the right answers. It's downright terrifying how often the best possible answer is "I don't know, and the people saying they know don't know either".

You sound like you're fairly young, so you will learn over time. Keep that sense of independent thought, wherever it takes you.
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Well I had far less doubt when I was a believer, because I wasn't yet exposed to the information that completely shattered my faith. In the comments section on this thread when I was a believer, I estimated that I was 99 percent confident in my faith. I would have therefore been satisfied the same way that evolutionary biologists are satisfied that they are 99 percent sure that the Theory of Evolution explains the origins and diversity of life.

And yes, I do still have some slight worry of damnation on the back of my mind due to me thinking of the slight possibility that there is somehow an explanation on the Popes contradictions on fetuses.
 
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Jacob Harrison said:
Now I wish that Catholicism is true even more. Two days ago my grandmother died. She grew up Mennonite but converted to Catholicism when she met my Polish grandfather. She was a very devout Catholic who lived a saintly life. She was very kind and loving.

One time, a dying Jewish man at the nursing home said that she was sent by God, and converted to Christianity before his death.

Today, I was at the vigil/wake and the Priest did a prayer of intercession for her soul. If I was still Catholic, I would have a lot of comfort that she is a saint in heaven, or at least in purgatory to be cleansed of venial sins before going to heaven.

Now that I am agnostic, I do not know what happened to her when she died.
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>now that I'm agnostic
you just said you were christian like 3 days ago

make up your mind
 
FatFuckFrank said:
>now that I'm agnostic
you just said you were christian like 3 days ago

make up your mind
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I lost my faith on February 7 as shown by the earlier comments here. If you check my profile, you will see that I mentioned that fact in February 13. However when I posted on Reddit, I hid that information in an attempt to get devout Catholics to join my cause to restore the true heir to the throne of England.
 
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