ProjectMoon Megathread - Lobotomy Corporation, Library of Ruina, Limbus Company, etc.

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Making him bleed + charge would've been lazy but at least it'd make sense, would be good and something that could be built around, but bleed/tremor AND hemorrhage? that's a pretty substancial letdown to me honestly. Unless he does something silly like inflict +2 count on his counter, blemor is one of the worst status pairings you can get ontop of hemmorage being the worst tremor flavour.

Ricardocliff also having a single coin S3 on (spesifically) bleed where you get +2 coin power from bloody mist is a strange too. If it was poise they get some crazy buffs to single coin, but bleed fusion gifts just give coin power. Giving +2 total power to a monocoin skill just doesn't cut it when you could give +8 power to a 4 coiner (like Kiramael's S3). Coin count really matters in MD, if you've ever used a middle team you'd know that Middle Don actually outdamage Middle Sinclair. Middle Sinclair is the better ID overall but the extra coin on Middle Don's S3 means she deals more damage on average. With Ricardocliff only having 1 coin however, it's looking rough.
 
Enigmatic Gale said:
Making him bleed + charge would've been lazy but at least it'd make sense, would be good and something that could be built around, but bleed/tremor AND hemorrhage? that's a pretty substancial letdown to me honestly. Unless he does something silly like inflict +2 count on his counter, blemor is one of the worst status pairings you can get ontop of hemmorage being the worst tremor flavour.

Ricardocliff also having a single coin S3 on (spesifically) bleed where you get +2 coin power from bloody mist is a strange too. If it was poise they get some crazy buffs to single coin, but bleed fusion gifts just give coin power. Giving +2 total power to a monocoin skill just doesn't cut it when you could give +8 power to a 4 coiner (like Kiramael's S3). Coin count really matters in MD, if you've ever used a middle team you'd know that Middle Don actually outdamage Middle Sinclair. Middle Sinclair is the better ID overall but the extra coin on Middle Don's S3 means she deals more damage on average. With Ricardocliff only having 1 coin however, it's looking rough.
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I'm a bit surprised he isn't Charge either considering that he got Move-in Reg. as an EGO, but I guess since he already had the Charge basis covered, Lucio (Burn + Wrath) and Ricardo (Wrath + Envy) cover the EGOs other bases pretty well. I think there's a small chance he'll be a Self-Tremor ID due to Asymmetrical Inertia, but honestly Asym feels like it needs an ID especially crafted for it and Ricardo just doesn't feel like the one even if this ID fulfills the requirement of bursting Tremor.
I don't think the MD intentional is that important, he's Tremor, probably the single strongest status in MD due to how strong its gifts from TKT are and at the very least Tremor sits alongside Burn as a sticky status effect that's easy to keep up. I don't know how his conditionals will be, but at least in a Tremor team he'll be fine? Hopefully he has more count than the other older Middle IDs since none of them support the Hemorrhage gameplan.
As for now, the Middle looks like it still will be waiting for Matt Outis so they can make proper use of the I'll Go fer Scissors EGO.
 
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Love Machine said:
Beat super rufo hard at 18 turns. They could have made it more difficult.
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I beat her at 14 turns, could have done it in 12 if I didn't have to waste 2 turns to kill the rest of my primary bleed team. I like this miniboss event in concept, but maybe they could increase the difficulty of the hard mode. Makes me wonder how newer players, who don't have access to all the units that I have, are faring.
 
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Aw fuck if middle heath is tremor i don't think we gonna get lucio heathcliff due to opportunity cost. infact i don't think we will ever get the thumb spiders IDs
 
twinArmageddons said:
Aw fuck if middle heath is tremor i don't think we gonna get lucio heathcliff due to opportunity cost.
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There could always be Lucio Gregor? There's still plenty of time in the season anyways, with Ricardo Cliff being our 5th Bleed Identity this month. We have more than enough time with three or so months in the season. Next month in May, either starting on the 6th or 13th we have the next railway and UT5, assuming they don't release any IDs at the same time there's still two weeks for a banner. After that in June we have the next Railway Rerun and Walpurgis, assuming we don't get a banner during the Rerun there are still two weeks there as well. Oh yeah, then we have the enterity of July until Canto 10 in August.
And since it's been overdue, I think next month we'll get Ryoshu's ID, then either Matt Outis or the Thumb IDs after that.
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Love Machine said:
This logic doesnt even make sense because rodya and yi sang keep getting sinking ids.
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I think just about the only thing we can use to predict upcoming IDs, aside from which characters match best, are EGOs.
  • Move in Reg: Envy resonance, Charge+Burn with a unique form of Wrath+Envy fragility. Then we get Ricardo Heath who makes use of the Envy part of the EGO. Lucio could also have an Envy S2 and a Wrath S3, making use of it as well.
  • I'll Go fer Scissors: Envy resonance, bleed, wants to take damage. Matt Outis is already confirmed.
  • Great Trichiliocosm Yi Sang: Burn+Poise+Sinking, and then we get Rien Sang who has Poise+Sinking and a single point of burn on Furioso.
  • Great Trichiliocosm Ryoshu: Bleed+Burn+Poise. Ren Sinclair is already Poise+Bleed, bleed is very common among the House of Spider IDs and I could see her having an empowered S3 that has a random dot of Burn like Hong Lu and Yi Sang have.
 
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Lizard Machine Bugs said:
  • Great Trichiliocosm Ryoshu: Bleed+Burn+Poise. Ren Sinclair is already Poise+Bleed so Ryoshu's ID, bleed is very common among the House of Spider IDs and I could see her having an empowered S3 that has a random dot of Burn like Hong Lu and Yi Sang have.
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My money is on ryoshu being a burn id but want to be on a nursefather team rather then a keyworded team
 
Love Machine said:
This logic doesnt even make sense because rodya and yi sang keep getting sinking ids.
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My rational is they wouldn't release two tremor IDs for the same sinner in the same season
Heathcliff already has a burn ID and a bleed ID both are relatively new coming from two seasons ago
I'm used to sinners having multiple of the same status on different IDs but my problem with that it is usually between a large gap of time
Not counting lcb he got spice bush on 2023.06.15 then his next sinking ID was 224 days later and after dieci was 224 days again with lobotomy and then rien was 532 days so
Lucio heathcliff never or we should get him in 6 months time just before meursaults canto
 
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My rational is they wouldn't release two tremor IDs for the same sinner in the same season
Heathcliff already has a burn ID and a bleed ID both are relatively new coming from two seasons ago
I'm used to sinners having multiple of the same status on different IDs but my problem with that it is usually between a large gap of time
Not counting lcb he got spice bush on 2023.06.15 then his next sinking ID was 224 days later and after dieci was 224 days again with lobotomy and then rien was 532 days so
Lucio heathcliff never or we should get him in 6 months time just before meursaults canto
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I wouldn't worry too much about that. After all they did drop the biggest stinker being sinking R Corp. Rodion after KoD Rodion, in the same season.
My consensus is that if they're hybrids of different status effects (and in this case, a particular niche being Tremor - Scorch) they don't mind releasing them.
Remember Heishou Don got hit by Index Don just a few months later and they're both Sinking, but are different hybrids.
I'd wager it's the same scenario here, Lucio Heathcliff and Ricardo Heathcliff are "both" Tremor (even though I really doubt that on Ricardo Heath's part, just watch), but different status hybrids and tremor types, and obviously Lucio Heath is way more Tremor focused unless Ricardo Heath's bursts are... from a passive... or something?

Anyhow, Lucio Gregor seems way less likely than Lucio Heathcliff because he already got 2 IDs this season, but other than that, against Gregor fight in Canto 9 you go only paired up with Rodion and Heathcliff as the playable Sinners, this could just be a coincidence but I bet they wanted to make it be the funny Thumb duo later on, given what happened in the story.

In terms of Seasonal releases... they can fit everything in it, going off assumptions, and releases here are interchangeable except for Ryoshu after Uptie V:
April 30: Ricardo Heath
May 14: RR6 + Possibly Middle Outis (due to Middle Heath releasing beforehand, like they did with Ring IDs)
May 28: Uptie V + Possibly Thumb dual banner
June 11: Seasonal Highlight Ryoshu
June 25: Canto 9.5-2
July 9: Walpurgis Night
And so on...

It all depends on if RR6 and Uptie V release on the biweekly slots or in the "dead week" as they did with the recent Rufo boss challenge, in that case everything'd release even earlier.
 
pechepeche said:
if Dante is going to fill the role of the priest trying to comfort Meur during the canto.
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After reading "The Stranger" again, I think Rodya could also fulfill that role. Crime and Punishment is all about Rodion's guilt over a murder, while Meursault in contrast is completely apathetic to the Arab he killed. Him killing the Arab was just something that ended up happening due to chance and his own carelessness. Meursault also rejects other people's moral judgments while Rodya feels crushing guilt, over what she caused.
If Meursault killing his mother also ended up hurting other people, which I think is likely because given that she had a funeral she may have been high up on the N Corp totem pole, then Meursault accepting the fact he killed his mother and people died, without torturing himself with guilt or even thinking of atonement would seem absurd to Rodya. While Dante could fullfill the role of Meursault's lawyer, who I think has a decent chance of being his own character, unlike the Magistrate (the one who nicknames him Antichrist), Judge, and Prosecutor who may end up rolled into one.
I think it's also important to note that while Meursault doesn't grieve his mother in a traditional way he is affected by her death, he is constantly thinking about her and he even comes to respect and understand her right before his execution. Given how much KJH writes about mommy issues, I wouldn't be surprised if this comes up either.
Also I was struck by exactly how much of N Corp is a reference to "The Stranger" the description of N Corp as sterile white with countless people who you can make out the faces of but can never see clearly is nearly 1:1 from Meursault's description of Maman's wake.
 
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Lizard Machine Bugs said:
Him killing the Arab was just something that ended up happening due to chance and his own carelessness.
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A lot of the events in the book stems from Meur simply going into a downward spiral from just going with the flow after his mother's passing, or doing what other characters told him to do, such as delivering the letter for Raymond without even questioning if it's right, or him catching a neighbour abusing his old dog without questioning it either and just observing.​
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If Meursault killing his mother also ended up hurting other people, which I think is likely because given that she had a funeral she may have been high up on the N Corp totem pole
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She died in a retirement home due to Meur being unable to take care of her because of work and not having enough time right? What would be the equivalent in the City? I wouldn't be surprised if she passed away in a similar way to the former K Corp CEO, but that also would bring up the question on which people were bothered by Meur not even shedding a tear or having a sad face while attending the funeral of a CEO. Also, Meur being a Claw nepobaby would be funny.​
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I think it's also important to note that while Meursault doesn't grieve his mother in a traditional way he is affected by her death
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He definitely was. Throughout the book he's been suppressing and bottling up his emotions for a while, since Marie mentions she likes that autistic stoic aspect about him ever since they started dating. The sun ironically being the symbolic thing that finally made him lose his cool and act unprompted due to the stress/sadness that built up. Him mentioning it during the trial as if it were the main cause of shooting the arab and confusing the jury must of been awkward and not helping his case at all, but he didn't even care from how detached or apathetic he is.

I haven't read Rodya's book so I don't have much of a say other than her making another sinner snap out of it twice in a row could feel a bit repetitive imo. Just waiting to see how morally grey or apathetic our Meur can get during his Canto, he's probably going to be worse than Bonglu imo. Or if the theory of him actively not trying to distort and hearing Carmen's voice 24/7 is right.
mb if this came out as too speculative but i read the book last year and im going from memory​
 
This new mode is kicking my butt. I keep trying to get clever with shit like lust-res Soupspam Don and I can get down to 20 turns on easy, but it really feels like Ruina's third Keter realization where the second I google the answer it's gonna be a "solve everything button" Like "stack bleed one-sidedly and then sanguine on turn 4 with superbia"
 
Fields Of Rye said:
This new mode is kicking my butt. I keep trying to get clever with shit like lust-res Soupspam Don and I can get down to 20 turns on easy, but it really feels like Ruina's third Keter realization where the second I google the answer it's gonna be a "solve everything button" Like "stack bleed one-sidedly and then sanguine on turn 4 with superbia"
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It really do just be "Target all your skills on Rufo and ignore everything else" with a bleed team and then a sinking team once she goes into phase 2 (you can switch teams whenever you want if you press "Leave Battle" to avoid wasting turns).
Rufo takes hella bleed damage and even more from the event debuff so just stacking bleed with one-sided attacks makes her take 1.8x bleed damage if you have Ring Rodion. Completely ignore her goons as the bleed damage goes through her Protection and is the main thing thats melting her.
And this is for Hard, btw. It's even easier on Normal.
 
Banana Bread said:
It really do just be "Target all your skills on Rufo and ignore everything else" with a bleed team and then a sinking team once she goes into phase 2 (you can switch teams whenever you want if you press "Leave Battle" to avoid wasting turns).
Rufo takes hella bleed damage and even more from the event debuff so just stacking bleed with one-sided attacks makes her take 1.8x bleed damage if you have Ring Rodion. Completely ignore her goons as the bleed damage goes through her Protection and is the main thing thats melting her.
And this is for Hard, btw. It's even easier on Normal.
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I need you to appreciate that as you were typing this, TingTang Hong minrolled his S3, causing him to not kill a mook, causing him to not kill the other mook, causing two absolute-resonanced Rip Spaces to mag dump into random mooks and now I'm wondering if my IQ is way too high or way too low. Don't answer that.
 
Finished in 14, got fucked with RNG since Yien took forever to get his skill 3 due to getting bad prescript, though he managed to make an insane 1500 damage Ira boosted S3 on the boss on the final turn. Second phase was won automatically due to massive amount of red coins that makes the boss bleed like crazy.
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Really the most annoying thing is that the first phase feels like it wastes your time with how beefy the helpers are, and the protection being way too high and keeps getting replaced every 4 turns). Probably could have swapped some of the units in team 1 to high damage ones (especially multi targeting like Pinky Sinclair) rather than pure sinking. Also Heath in the bleed team is better replaced with Ryoshu to spam Contempt since I had tons of resources by that point and it was just a countdown till the boss died.
 
I feel that the Middle IDs are weakest out of the currently released Finger IDs. Most of it stems them not having their "vengeance" passives built in. If their entire thing is beating the shit out of some gook for breaking the rules, then why do I have to waste a turn to either get Envy RES or gather Envy resources for them to care about their "vengeance" when the Ring can just piss out damage and gain stacks from just existing and attacking?

KJH, you fraud. My autism can't be satiated like this.
 
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