ProjectMoon Megathread - Lobotomy Corporation, Library of Ruina, Limbus Company, etc.

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Lizard Machine Bugs said:
So what are we thinking about the IDs we'll get this season? Last season we got 12 seasonals, from the World of H Corp, World of the Thumb, World of N Corp, and the World of the usurped H Corp. As well as 5 event IDs.
We already have Yi Sang confirmed as the Rein/Ryoshu Dad of the World of the LCA so we might get him as a precursor to Ryoshu's capstone identity which I'm guessing is Dihui Star. If Yi Sang is going to be our third Index Identity I don't think we'll get any more of Index members and I think Valencia might get an ID as well (Spoilers) as she already has a death sprite in the game and she feels like a good ID for Rodya, even going beyond the physical similarities. So that's 6 of our seasonal identities and just enough space for the other Nursefathers and their apprentices. LCA Outis' and her story implies they're all low SoTC/former SoTC after Ryoshu crippeled them so I don't think it's unprecedented since we got Lei Heng Meursault last canto.
Of course she already has an identity and I can see some of the Spider's House surviving, but one thing I'd bet on is Outis either getting Matt or Kira as an identity. It's not really based on vibes, more so her new Scissors EGO which synergies with ENVY and has a unique Bleed status that triggers on Envy skill hit.
Other than that I think we'll get at least one of the DD crew, and maybe Big Bird Hoenheim since I don't think we're getting BB Hohenheim for the Check Up Rerun. Although, considering Heathcliff got another Charge EGO I wouldn't be surprised if he gets Shock Centipede Hohenheim for the event rerun.
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not a single one of those was Burn, in the Burn Season™...

Anyways you're not wrong. Though I don't think we'll get BB Hoenheim just yet.
If they do end up doing both Nursefather and Apprentice IDs, they'll probably drag them out and release them in "Nursefather banner + Apprentice banner + Nursefather banner...". I still hope they drop all of them.

Burn Cope: Making Burn IDs conceptually takes more effort than other IDs such as Poise due to them, well, requiring actually "Burn" and flames in their design and attacks, as opposed to Poise, Sinking, or Rupture where it isn't as necessary (look at Index Faust for example). We really haven't been shown anyone using Burn this Canto except Lucio and Valencia, and even there it's really just Tremor - Scorch instead of raw Burn (I pray that's not the direction they're going trying to "fix" Burn's damage), and I'm afraid that's as far as they'll go with it, unless they release Standard Fare Burn IDs or we get new characters introduced in the last part who are raw Burn.

Except for Ryoshu's capstone ID. I'm not expecting it to be entirely just the Dihui Star, just as Lord Hong Lu wasn't really Jia Qiu. I do feel like there's a good chance for it to be Burn (or atleast a hybrid), and if they keep going with the Season capstone EGO + capstone ID synergy like with Lord Hong Lu, it's even more likely, as her EGO looks pretty much like a Burn EGO.
Some predictions for the way she works is she has a status / passive to increase Burn / Wrath damage, and has a way to increase Burn bursts, like in her moves (Skill 3-2 nuke?) or even as a status effect with a low cap with something like "When Burn is triggered on this target, trigger additional Burn instances based on Stack". I don't know how they'd make it even stronger than Lord Hong Lu without the whole Heishou gimmick and all the passive buffs they got, unless she has a "Gain buffs based on Finger members in the team"

I guess if our only Burn IDs this season were Lucio, Valencia and bad end Ryoshu I wouldn't be too upset.
 
Sulla said:
Imma be real bros, this chapter fucking sucks so far.

There's no enemy variety on top of recycled abnormalities.
Every boss has the ishmael v ricardo problem of chosen character being immortal.

Easily the worst chapter since s1.
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I will hold my breath until the last chapter, I think the fight agaisnt the daddies (not full force) will come into reality. These chapters have been more character focused and they seem to introduce plenty of interesting characters, so I personally don't find it that annoying.
 
I dunno guys, I liked it. Limbus gameplay was always garbage and honestly they might as well they skipped all the filler enemies and just gave a boss rush with a VN. Glasses fight was alright once you understand the gimmick and the last fight was usual set up to fail pre final boss. Main issue is that there are a lot of enemies that you will barely hold on until you get bailed by a colour. Main issue is that there are about 14 new characters in this Canto alone when previous one had at most half of it (and half of those were filler bosses), and knowing them relied on reading the extra material.

Hope we get Apocalypse Bird EGO Gear ID. That line cracked me up:
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I hope the third part will be actually dark in some way, not a couple of scenes of someone else killing the bosses for us that may as well be an ending for a penultimate Trails game.
 
Personally, it feel this is the strongest Canto in a while. There was a lot of clap bait, but it really made me care for Hohemheim of all people and set up every future boss nicely. I legit want to see some of these guys' faces caved in and/or know what their deal is. I admit the clap bait does hit home to me, but I feel it was properly set up in advance by introducing us to every character earlier in the story itself. Except Vespa of course, but he dropped a Meur Canto hint so I'll let that slide.
I'm really looking forward to the raid on the House of Spiders, and to the Middle IDs that'll make my Middle team less of a meme (still great for Lux tho).
Also, I hope that we'll "fight" every Nursefather even if they're basically just scripted fights with a helping unit like with Sora.
 
Sulla said:
This would be ok, but the writing this chapter sucks too.
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You're speaking as if after four hours of reading we achieved fuck all besides exposition and bait fights. Characters that aren't even Color level can just ignore distortion/abno mechanics because plot armor. Only one character died offscreen. An organization entirely based on reacting to breaches by apocalyptic creatures on the regular somehow got caught unprepared. And the last chapter ends by a literal Avengers Assemble moement.

And 2 women lost 3 arms.
 
I'm conflicted on the ally unit fights. On one hand, it's really cool to see Vespa enter and roll like a 50 and demolish the boss. On the other hand, it's lame as we got an entire sequence of Dante going crazy and summoning the tard army (Identities) only for the boss to basically be way overtuned just because the gimmick is that you're supposed to survive until that dude comes in, over actually having to beat her youself. Also dude's a color so we won't get an ID of him anytime soon either. Could have done without and only kept him in the boss defeat cutscene.

wtfNeedSignUp said:
I hope the third part will be actually dark in some way, not a couple of scenes of someone else killing the bosses for us that may as well be an ending for a penultimate Trails game.
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Spider's House
Rien: Welcome home Ryoshu, as you can see I have your baby daughter here (it wouldn't have been fun if she actually grew up and developed a personality, maybe leading to clashing ideals between mother and daughter, so the plot had Ryoshu lock her in some time chamber so she'd remain a dumb kid)
Rien: We also noticed your source material is Hell Screen and the first 2 parts had nothing related to that so we'll promptly burn her alive, like the book. I sure hope 2 fucking colors don't show up
The Sinners, Vergilius, Hoenheim, Marton, Alyssa, Vespa, Ezra, Moses, Bamboo Hatted Kim:

That about sums up the predictions. Who knows though, maybe they unlocked the safe years ago and Araya's actually grown up
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
You're speaking as if after four hours of reading we achieved fuck all besides exposition and bait fights. Characters that aren't even Color level can just ignore distortion/abno mechanics because plot armor. Only one character died offscreen. An organization entirely based on reacting to breaches by apocalyptic creatures on the regular somehow got caught unprepared. And the last chapter ends by a literal Avengers Assemble moement.

And 2 women lost 3 arms.
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While some of that is literally events that happened in the story, i.e fighting four out of Ryoshu's five evil cousins and one out of her five evil dads. But none of the Abnos we've seen Limbus Company have are Alpehs, even Big Bird is just a WAW as long as he doesn't breach alongside the two others at the same time. I personally don't really care about the power scaling, but the evil dads and cousin squads are being set up as credible threats. Or at least people we need to full roster of seven Sinners to even think of fighting.
Aside from that Limbus Company lost it's sapling of light prototype, we've learned more about Ryoshu and her circumstances as we've seen her initial confidence crumble over the course of the first two parts. We also got more of Hoenheim's character devlopment
Banana Bread said:
(it wouldn't have been fun if she actually grew up and developed a personality, maybe leading to clashing ideals between mother and daughter, so the plot had Ryoshu lock her in some time chamber so she'd remain a dumb kid)
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I don't think they would bother as much with Ryoshu if they had complete access to the kid, despite coming for the Sapling prototype they still clearly need Ryoshu for something, I think the kid is going to act as a hostage. Besides I don't really seen any narrative room for a clash of ideals, Ryoshu isn't even a reallly strongly idealistic person. She's highly opinionated about what art she likes but other than that she just wants to protect her daughter. It's not like Ryoshu forced into the safe either, she told her what it did and Araya complied. So it's not like she harbors any resentment against Ryoshu either.
That and when the safe is described it's said
> was empty, as though someone had carved out a piece of reality from the world.
Which seems to me they were able to remove the time anomaly she was put it, but not remove the daughter from it. That and as a second theory, as Saru is a 'random name' Araya came up with and which she doesn't like. If she was freed from the time thingy, they it may be a nickname she gave to her interim caretaker. Someone who would also be responsible for Araya's well being, might resent Ryoshu for failing her, but as a member of a Finger would hypocritically go along with the Spider's House anyways.
 
Banana Bread said:
Spider's House
Rien: Welcome home Ryoshu, as you can see I have your baby daughter here (it wouldn't have been fun if she actually grew up and developed a personality, maybe leading to clashing ideals between mother and daughter, so the plot had Ryoshu lock her in some time chamber so she'd remain a dumb kid)
Rien: We also noticed your source material is Hell Screen and the first 2 parts had nothing related to that so we'll promptly burn her alive, like the book. I sure hope 2 fucking colors don't show up
The Sinners, Vergilius, Hoenheim, Marton, Alyssa, Vespa, Ezra, Moses, Bamboo Hatted Kim:

That about sums up the predictions. Who knows though, maybe they unlocked the safe years ago and Araya's actually grown up
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I'm pretty confident that ryoshu never had a daughter to begin with.

Based on the interactions with her jobber sword and the pinky (and the safe). It appears that Ryoshu's mind is actually so far gone that she is hallucinating things/events/properties that never occurred.

Her memories of her daughter are probably just memories of herself in the 3rd person.

Why does this writing suck? Because we already did this whole insane identity crisis with don's story. (Which basically didn't get resolved either btw.)

I guess meta foreshadowing wise it ties in with dante's story in that it focuses more on mindbreak rather than abandoning your old comrades.
 
Sulla said:
I'm pretty confident that ryoshu never had a daughter to begin with.

Based on the interactions with her jobber sword and the pinky (and the safe). It appears that Ryoshu's mind is actually so far gone that she is hallucinating things/events/properties that never occurred.

Her memories of her daughter are probably just memories of herself in the 3rd person.

Why does this writing suck? Because we already did this whole insane identity crisis with don's story. (Which basically didn't get resolved either btw.)

I guess meta foreshadowing wise it ties in with dante's story in that it focuses more on mindbreak rather than abandoning your old comrades.
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Honestly I did think the same thing as I was reading through it. The way they portray her memories and the flashbacks is weird,
unfortunately foiled by the fake nursefather
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Sulla said:
I'm pretty confident that ryoshu never had a daughter to begin with.
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Then who or what did she hide in the box? Ryoshu has spent time in it before, but she can't have been the child in the box since we know she was born 28 years ago. That and Lei Heng mentions her child being at the house. There's something fucky going on with her memories, but I do think her child exists. Maybe the daughter is a clone, maybe there's something up with the daughter's father. Ryoshu's memories could be self serving and she was a worse mother. Maybe it's something schizo like Ryoshu and Dihui Star/Shiomi Yoru being the same person somehow. Dihui star references the child as well, both as her being Ryohu's daughter and as her being a *thing*, whatever that means.
But the daughter does exist, in soem shape way or form.
 
Lizard Machine Bugs said:
Then who or what did she hide in the box?
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She didn't hide anything. There is no evidence anything was ever in the box to begin with.

The house of spiders are literally just fucking with her. How else do you explain why the pinky was pretending to be mute up until ryoshu taunted her for being mute.

Also, spoiler your shit, people still haven't caught up.
 
Sulla said:
She didn't hide anything. There is no evidence anything was ever in the box to begin with.

The house of spiders are literally just fucking with her. How else do you explain why the pinky was pretending to be mute up until ryoshu taunted her for being mute.
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She's a hologram overlaid on another person. Who? Maybe Ryoshu's daughter. Maybe someone else who inherited her star.
Otherwise, she could've gotten a speaking implant that didn’t rely on the tongue.
 
Sulla said:
She didn't hide anything. There is no evidence anything was ever in the box to begin with.
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Aside from the fathers mentioning the hiding place of the box being important? Aside from the red bow inside the box? Aside from the scratch marks and the narration referencing something having been inside the box? Aside from the box being a plot point at all? If the safe wasn't important, Ryoshu could have just hid her child with somebody she trusted somewhere safe. That character could have been killed off screen and the evil dad squad have kidnapped her anyways, the box exists for a narrative reason.
Ryoshu does seem to have also left the house for some reason, despite putting up with Valencia and Dihui's star's abuse, Rein's neglect, and whatever the Pinky and Matthais did.
Sulla said:
The house of spiders are literally just fucking with her. How else do you explain why the pinky was pretending to be mute up until ryoshu taunted her for being mute.
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She does mention what she said to Ryoshu about the blades properties not necessarily being a lie or a truth, so it's probably something that's going to be revealed later. Maybe she's a brain in a jar type cyborg and the Dihui star we fight is a projected body? Maybe she's an ID projected onto someone Erlking style, either way there are options and for some reason all of the other permanent wounds stayed. Rein is still burnt and it hurts when he thinks of Ryoshu, Matthais as that chest scar and fucked up cyborg leg, Valecnia has a bleeding eyes, and presumably the Pinky dad has a similar wound.

Sulla said:
Also, spoiler your shit, people still haven't caught up.
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No.
 
Sulla said:
She didn't hide anything. There is no evidence anything was ever in the box to begin with.

The house of spiders are literally just fucking with her. How else do you explain why the pinky was pretending to be mute up until ryoshu taunted her for being mute.

Also, spoiler your shit, people still haven't caught up.
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This theory seems to be correct due to the Arnold quote:

There's no one for Ryoshu to fuck, so how the hell she managed to spawn a child? The only thing that might be the case is the child is an Abnormality that mimics a person (a blank screen) and Ryoshu was raised to paint that screen with her memories.
 
Part 2 felt pretty bad. Ryoshu's story is interesting enough and leaves me wanting to find out what happened, but I'm really tired of every single important fight having a scripted end. It's brimmy. I spent time reading everything and even resetting if I couldn't win enough clashes in the first 2 turns so I could max out the Karmic Consequence/Attack power down gimmicks, but none of that matters and I could've just winrated because they're all scripted to end after N turns anyway

Oh and le heccin wholesome kino Marvel ending was retarded doebeit
 
Given the leaks from some pages ago, it does seem like

We're actually getting the power of friendship ending, atleast in part. Since some sinners seem to have voicelines for hyping up Verg in battle.
I just hope it doesn't happen during ALL of Part 3? I hope there's actual bosses throughout Part 3 that you have to put in effort to beat, with the allies appearing in cutscenes only (such as post-battle), and not just the final boss (they better not have an ally unit against the final boss dear lord)
 
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