Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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When Gen 5 came out I was really negative on it and never finished it. Recently I reset my cartridge for Black 2 and restarted it while forcing myself to only use Gen 5 mons and I'm enjoying myself a lot more. Is it the best in the series like people here claim? No not at all. Is it good though? Yeah.

I intend to do this with my copy of Y and UltraSun as well when I'm done with Black 2 since I never finished those either. It really makes the games more interesting and like you said I've found Pokemon that I wouldn't have spared a second thought that now I really like.
Personally, I like using only one Pokémon, usually one from the first route (so for Gen V, it would be Liepard or Watchog). Helps make the game more difficult at some points.
When will they make a giant game where we can catch them all?? That's what I want. Doesn't even need to be super lame 3D like Sword and Shield.

Looking back I think that is why I liked first gen so much. At the time, the game actually had them all. And after that you could never catch them all so I played other stuff.
If Gen 8 is anything to go by, that giant game will never happen outside of fangames. Which is fine by me, I love Pokémon Clover.
 
When will they make a giant game where we can catch them all?? That's what I want. Doesn't even need to be super lame 3D like Sword and Shield.

Looking back I think that is why I liked first gen so much. At the time, the game actually had them all. And after that you could never catch them all so I played other stuff.
Was there no this copypasta (am I using tha term correctly?) on how Satoshi printed out comments from fans that wanted every region in one game, then Satoshi and his workers laughed a those comments?
 
When Gen 5 came out I was really negative on it and never finished it. Recently I reset my cartridge for Black 2 and restarted it while forcing myself to only use Gen 5 mons and I'm enjoying myself a lot more. Is it the best in the series like people here claim? No not at all. Is it good though? Yeah.

I intend to do this with my copy of Y and UltraSun as well when I'm done with Black 2 since I never finished those either. It really makes the games more interesting and like you said I've found Pokemon that I wouldn't have spared a second thought that now I really like.
I've been playing BW2 as well and the full dex is probably my only complaint so far. At least there's plenty of good gen 5 mons unlike SwSh where I forced myself to use bad gen 8 mons.
 
Please tell me this person is joking and not being delusional claiming Pokemon ripped off Dragon Quest. They even closed off replies to non followers.
That has to be a joke. After all, that is a meme.
Then again, Dragon Quest was a big inspiration to Pokémon. Besides, did not someone in this thread say tha the monster-collecting concept started with Dragon Quest V?
 
I love the ongoing, decades long war to prove the ancestry of these games, that this mon game or that mon game is actually a rip of this other mon game, and it's still going on like the concept of 'my pet can kick your pet's ass' is something so incredible only one person could have come up with it.

That doesn't even hold true in any english-speaking country, and we didn't have the fuckin' beetle battles in most of them.

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Is there anyone in this thread who unironically likes Sword and Shield? No hatred from me, just curious. My brother seems to like it.
I do. It's not my favorite pokemon game, but I like it. Honestly, I think it doesn't deserve all the hate it gets.
 
Is there anyone in this thread who unironically likes Sword and Shield? No hatred from me, just curious. My brother seems to like it.
I don’t hate them. I definitely had more fun with Shield than I did with Y, Alpha Sapphire, or Ultra Rehash. Galar (without the DLC) is definitely the worst region in the series though, and it has quite a few of my least favorite Pokémon designs yet.
 
A bit late but, I really feel like shiny mons don't have any real value anymore with the fact that you can get the odds down to 1/100 or thereabouts with SwSh, or 1/32 in Go and then transfer them. It feels like they are just handed to you on a silver platter, especially with the SwSh raid events, and since you barely have to work to get them anymore I just expect half the teams I battle online to be fully shiny.

I still have my first ever shiny from Sapphire, a Wailord with the name Beutiful because I was a dumbass kid and couldn't spell, and I would value that single Mon over the 15 I've caught in Shield.
I know, right? I actually hunted for Mudkip in ORAS because the uncatchable Poochyena was shiny locked and I didn't want the pain of finding a shiny I couldn't catch. But once I'd gotten it I felt... empty. In fact nearly all the shinies I have in gens 6 and 7 I feel nothing but apathy towards and I tut and roll my eyes whenever I see normies on youtube going apeshit shiny ponyta style over finding them with the easiest methods.

And yet I find myself booting my older games up and looking through my squads and boxes fondly remembering when I found the shinies I've caught over the years. Especially things like my starter mons. They feel more like actual trophies and things I should value rather than just something nice the game decided to throw at me.

I do. It's not my favorite pokemon game, but I like it. Honestly, I think it doesn't deserve all the hate it gets.
I'm curious - what did you like about them? I hate them with a passion so I'd like to hear a response from someone who isn't a consoomer who thinks everything Game Freak does is right.

I don’t hate them. I definitely had more fun with Shield than I did with Y, Alpha Sapphire, or Ultra Rehash. Galar (without the DLC) is definitely the worst region in the series though, and it has quite a few of my least favorite Pokémon designs yet.
Snom/Frostmoth were the only good ones. Change my mind.
 
I'm curious - what did you like about them? I hate them with a passion so I'd like to hear a response from someone who isn't a consoomer who thinks everything Game Freak does is right.
I’m not Bunny Tracks but I’d like to answer the question anyway. I liked the concept of the Wild Area, the execution was pretty ugly and bland but open world could be a good fit for future Pokémon games. They certainly need more room for exploration than they’ve had in recent years. I also liked the atmosphere of the gyms, the soccer theming was fun and I really like the gym leader battle music. This doesn’t really count, but I must admit that the Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra were nice improvements upon the original Wild Area, shame you have to pay an additional $30 for them.
 
Falinks and Centiskorch exist. I also really like Rillaboom and Eternatus but that’s just me. Alcremie and Applin are cute and fun, and Grimmsnarl is badass.

I’m not Bunny Tracks but I’d like to answer the question anyway. I liked the concept of the Wild Area, the execution was pretty ugly and bland but open world could be a good fit for future Pokémon games. They certainly need more room for exploration than they’ve had in recent years. I also liked the atmosphere of the gyms, the soccer theming was fun and I really like the gym leader battle music. This doesn’t really count, but I must admit that the Isle of Armor and Crown Tundra were nice improvements upon the original Wild Area, shame you have to pay an additional $30 for them.

Okay I'll give you Falinks and Centiskorch. They're in the good 'mon group now.

I can understand liking the gym atmosphere too - the music for it in particular is unironically a bop (and the version they made for Masters EX is pretty damn good too). Alister's a really good gym leader design now that I think about it - he deserves to be in a better pokemon game. As for the Wild Area - I think the idea is interesting. It's like a beefed-up Safari Zone but like you said it was executed extremely poorly.

I suppose something else I kinda like is Leon's design. I was hoping the leaks were true about him becoming the Champion because Chairman Rose orchestrated his opponents to be total pushovers so when it came to a real fight with Eternatus he just couldn't cut it and Hop realises that his brother's career is nothing but a lie. But nope - Game Freak wasn't smart enough to do that.
 
I suppose something else I kinda like is Leon's design. I was hoping the leaks were true about him becoming the Champion because Chairman Rose orchestrated his opponents to be total pushovers so when it came to a real fight with Eternatus he just couldn't cut it and Hop realises that his brother's career is nothing but a lie. But nope - Game Freak wasn't smart enough to do that.
Oops, you just made me think of another criticism. I hate the story in Sword and Shield because you don’t actually get to see Rose’s plan unfold at all until the forced climax. It’s also ridiculous how Rose is obsessed with solving an energy crisis that won’t happen for another millennium. Does he have autism? A hero complex? Never explained. And don’t even get me started on the plot of the postgame.
 
I suppose something else I kinda like is Leon's design.
Really? He looks like he got in a fight with a sports store and lost.

Personally, speaking of pokemon I like, Wooloo is absolutely precious. Corviknight's such a striking standout among the route 1 birds, I love that they made the mid-stage starters all look like edgy teenagers, particularly Raboot, and I love the abominations that can be made by mashing fossils together.

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I like Sword and Shield for it's strengths - more accessible than ever PvP/Tower-style battling, for example - but I can definitely feel it's weaknesses. But I see it's failings less as a cynical cashgrab of it's own and more as a consequence of the inevitable bandaid-rip of removing things rather than just endlessly adding moves, pokemon, and mechanics with no limit, as seems to be the only acceptable alternative to so many of the negative opinions. It's a game made by a team who's just getting into HD 3D development who is expected to operate under the rules of a team who's entire games were less than 5 megabytes.

I assure you that they've been wanting to cut back on the dex for a long while, probably since ruby/sapphire's days. They can do it now because they have the mobile storage of Pokemon Home, and don't have to manually bring every Pokemon over in the main line game. And a lot of the expectations laid against the game are ab-fucking-surd to literally any other game development team, without even factoring in that things like traditional recolours or making ninety percent of your skills the exact same moves in different elements along very strict and basic power levels is not an option.

In short, it's not so much that I see the games as perfect or anything, and it's not that I don't think the games could be improved with someone helping to revitalise and whip the team behind them into shape. It's that I see the game people want, and I just don't see a way to make it a reality that doesn't involve the company disappearing into a bunker for ten years or sacrificing SOMETHING for it.

Well, okay, I see one way, and that is to make it an mmo that slowly builds the dex from the ground up. But that'd still take ten years, a whole different dev team with experience coding mmos, and Temtem's acted as the canary in that mine... and it is VERY dead.

They've been hoisted by their own petard - blown up by their own bomb. When you start considering what Pokemon's actually accomplished - that there are pokemon that were generated by a gameboy advance 19 years ago that their trainers are using RIGHT NOW on switch - you realise that so many of the things seen as baseline necessities are sometimes-unimaginable luxuries to anyone else.
 
Really? He looks like he got in a fight with a sports store and lost.

Personally, speaking of pokemon I like, Wooloo is absolutely precious. Corviknight's such a striking standout among the route 1 birds, I love that they made the mid-stage starters all look like edgy teenagers, particularly Raboot, and I love the abominations that can be made by mashing fossils together.

FeminineArtisticBongo-size_restricted.gif


I like Sword and Shield for it's strengths - more accessible than ever PvP/Tower-style battling, for example - but I can definitely feel it's weaknesses. But I see it's failings less as a cynical cashgrab of it's own and more as a consequence of the inevitable bandaid-rip of removing things rather than just endlessly adding moves, pokemon, and mechanics with no limit, as seems to be the only acceptable alternative to so many of the negative opinions. It's a game made by a team who's just getting into HD 3D development who is expected to operate under the rules of a team who's entire games were less than 5 megabytes.

I assure you that they've been wanting to cut back on the dex for a long while, probably since ruby/sapphire's days. They can do it now because they have the mobile storage of Pokemon Home, and don't have to manually bring every Pokemon over in the main line game. And a lot of the expectations laid against the game are ab-fucking-surd to literally any other game development team, without even factoring in that things like traditional recolours or making ninety percent of your skills the exact same moves in different elements along very strict and basic power levels is not an option.

In short, it's not so much that I see the games as perfect or anything, and it's not that I don't think the games could be improved with someone helping to revitalise and whip the team behind them into shape. It's that I see the game people want, and I just don't see a way to make it a reality that doesn't involve the company disappearing into a bunker for ten years or sacrificing SOMETHING for it.

Well, okay, I see one way, and that is to make it an mmo that slowly builds the dex from the ground up. But that'd still take ten years, a whole different dev team with experience coding mmos, and Temtem's acted as the canary in that mine... and it is VERY dead.

They've been hoisted by their own petard - blown up by their own bomb. When you start considering what Pokemon's actually accomplished - that there are pokemon that were generated by a gameboy advance 19 years ago that their trainers are using RIGHT NOW on switch - you realise that so many of the things seen as baseline necessities are sometimes-unimaginable luxuries to anyone else.
Here’s the thing though. Actually animating the moves and cutscenes is not a luxury, especially for the most profitable media franchise on the planet. There’s no excuse for Double Kick, Tail Whip, Decorate, Nuzzle, or NPCs clapping with no actual clap animation.
Edit: Also there’s the numerous cutscenes where the game just fades to black instead of animating what happened. And there’s this infamous scene.
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Here’s the thing though. Actually animating the moves and cutscenes is not a luxury, especially for the most profitable media franchise on the planet. There’s no excuse for Double Kick, Tail Whip, Decorate, or NPCs clapping with no actual clap animation.
What? Tail whip being a lateral back and forth movement is stunning and brave. Dozens of seconds went into animating it. Dozens!!
 
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