Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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SnowBall said:
which makes those regions feel less touristy and more magical than they really are.
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Meh alot of the problem with the later regions designs is their area designed is so sandpapered off with its hallwayish routes. I know the previous games were far from skyrim but they felt less restricted than the current games do. And I guess alot of the regions being foreign to the devs made it to where it feels like the regions have Epcot syndrome where it feels very much like a surface level interpretation of the inspiration country. Unova is the only exception to this imo because they packed that shit full of different slices of americana despite being mostly based off of new york.
Even Aslowla felt hollow but that was probably due to how unfinished SUMO are.
for 8 and especially 6 it feels like they picked the inspiration region as an excuse for the team to visit that country in order to do some company paid for vacation but that's just my take.
There is a whole thread on vp now full of people circlejerking over how much better and grittier gen 1 was despite it not even being gritty, that modern regions are souless and sanitized despite gens like 5 and 7 being arguably even darker than 1.
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Just take a break from vp bro
 
It helps that Unova isn’t fully based off New York City. The western part starting from Driftveil is based off of New Jersey, and parts of the Eastern section take a decent amount of cues from Long Island.

And yeah you’re right with vp. I usually avoid it like the plague but developing severe insomnia the past year thanks to the COVID lockdowns has dampened my impulse control.
 
Minus Kanto, the three regions based off of Japanese regions I think relied heavily on lore in their designs. With exception of Hoenn, when people think of the regions, they're not really thinking of the land structure itself but of what its themes stood for. It almost kinda seems like they wrote a region around these concepts of myths and tales of creation since the legend of that generation acts as the heart of the region that keeps it together. (Ecruteak, or at least the general area that includes Violet City and Ruins of Alph is Johto's heart, Sootopolis is Hoenn's heart, and Mt. Coronet is literally the centerpiece of Sinnoh.)

For Unova, what can you say would be its heart? Probably Dragonspiral Tower... and that's it? Relic Castle may have the region's lore, but nothing really significant occurs there unlike Dragonspiral Tower. N's Castle is important although its lore is scant due to being more modern in comparison to the ancient tower, which could help contribute in the theme of the conflicts of truth and idealism especially since the landmarks are literally on the opposite ends of the map.

Kalos has the lore of AZ and his ultimate weapon that nearly destroyed the region, but was his kingdom originally located in Geosenge Town where the weapon is being held? We weren't ever told about it, were we? The heart of Kalos might be Lumiose City since it's the largest city in the region and is literally smack-dab in the middle, but... nothing significant happens there outside of it hosting Team Flare's hideout. Terminus Cave where Zygarde sleeps may be the actual heart of the region, but it's so neglected both in-game and meta. Why was Zygarde situated there in the first place if it's just a coal mine? What makes it so special?

Alola has the guardian deities on each island in which each island has its own little history, and in Vast Poni Canyon lies the Altar of the Sunne/Moone, that's how you get to summon Lunala or Solgaleo depending on the version. Perhaps that's the heart of the region--but nah, let's not focus on that, we gotta restore the balance of the Pokémon world by entering the Ultra Beasts' dimension.

Galar has... uh... actually I don't know since I haven't been keeping up with the region. Like far as I know, there may be two areas of significance, one that's in the main game that I guess is near your hometown(?), and the other is the Crown Tundra further up north. Though I guess the heart of the region is Eternatus itself which sleeps underneath Hammerlocke, which is I think the oldest city in the region just from some quick searching. And it's technically in the center of the linear region.

But otherwise... I couldn't tell you the lore of the regions past Unova (and that's barely). I don't know if Game Freak approached the later regions the same way as with the Japanese-inspired regions, but could've fooled me otherwise since it feels like they were taking the backseat compared to Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Minus Kanto, the three regions based off of Japanese regions I think relied heavily on lore in their designs. With exception of Hoenn, when people think of the regions, they're not really thinking of the land structure itself but of what its themes stood for. It almost kinda seems like they wrote a region around these concepts of myths and tales of creation since the legend of that generation acts as the heart of the region that keeps it together. (Ecruteak, or at least the general area that includes Violet City and Ruins of Alph is Johto's heart, Sootopolis is Hoenn's heart, and Mt. Coronet is literally the centerpiece of Sinnoh.)

For Unova, what can you say would be its heart? Probably Dragonspiral Tower... and that's it? Relic Castle may have the region's lore, but nothing really significant occurs there unlike Dragonspiral Tower. N's Castle is important although its lore is scant due to being more modern in comparison to the ancient tower, which could help contribute in the theme of the conflicts of truth and idealism especially since the landmarks are literally on the opposite ends of the map.

Kalos has the lore of AZ and his ultimate weapon that nearly destroyed the region, but was his kingdom originally located in Geosenge Town where the weapon is being held? We weren't ever told about it, were we? The heart of Kalos might be Lumiose City since it's the largest city in the region and is literally smack-dab in the middle, but... nothing significant happens there outside of it hosting Team Flare's hideout. Terminus Cave where Zygarde sleeps may be the actual heart of the region, but it's so neglected both in-game and meta. Why was Zygarde situated there in the first place if it's just a coal mine? What makes it so special?

Alola has the guardian deities on each island in which each island has its own little history, and in Vast Poni Canyon lies the Altar of the Sunne/Moone, that's how you get to summon Lunala or Solgaleo depending on the version. Perhaps that's the heart of the region--but nah, let's not focus on that, we gotta restore the balance of the Pokémon world by entering the Ultra Beasts' dimension.

Galar has... uh... actually I don't know since I haven't been keeping up with the region. Like far as I know, there may be two areas of significance, one that's in the main game that I guess is near your hometown(?), and the other is the Crown Tundra further up north. Though I guess the heart of the region is Eternatus itself which sleeps underneath Hammerlocke, which is I think the oldest city in the region just from some quick searching. And it's technically in the center of the linear region.

But otherwise... I couldn't tell you the lore of the regions past Unova (and that's barely). I don't know if Game Freak approached the later regions the same way as with the Japanese-inspired regions, but could've fooled me otherwise since it feels like they were taking the backseat compared to Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh.
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I want to counterargue this, but first I'd need to figure out what exactly you mean/want when you look at these things.

I mean, for example in your mention of hoenn you don't mention meteor falls or any of the regi's locations, one of which is called the ancient tomb, and all of which are apparently absent of info except 'braille'. You say that the altar of the moone/sunne isn't made to seem important when not only is there a massive canyon to navigate before it, but the area leading up to it is the Dragon Trial. You say you do nothing significant in Lumiose while conveniently forgetting not only that the professor of the region lives there, and you visit it multiple times, and that it's right near the Pokemon League, the Castle, the postgame quests are there...

I don't know what you want from these locations, and I feel like you don't either. What exactly are you looking for here?
 
Galar has the mural on Stow-on-Side that hides the statues that details the lore of the region. Alongside Hammerlocke it could be considered part of the “heart” of Galar.

I don’t remember Kalos and Alola much since it has been ages since I played XY and SuMo but I just recently replayed the gen 5 games so its lore is fresh on my mind. A lot of it is hidden around and requires you to seek it out yourself, from the legendary trios outside of the dragons to the Abyss Ruins. Unova dials back on the creation myths compared to Hoenn and especially Sinnoh. I actually found it a bit of a breath of fresh air after Sinnoh goes a bit overboard with its creation myths with the main Trio being close to Pokegods.

Unova is very much reminiscent of how Kanto deals with its lore and legendaries. In the latter region the legendary birds are treated as nothing more than urban legends and the origins of Mew and Mewtwo are regulated to a series of diaries in the Pokemon Mansion. Sometimes it is better to have more grounded lore where the legendaries are simply very powerful Pokemon instead of world creating monsters.
 
Disc said:
I want to counterargue this, but first I'd need to figure out what exactly you mean/want when you look at these things.
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As in the concept of building a region around a centralized lore?

Disc said:
I mean, for example in your mention of hoenn you don't mention meteor falls or any of the regi's locations, one of which is called the ancient tomb, and all of which are apparently absent of info except 'braille'.
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The Regis are important to Hoenn lore, but they're more like side-quests compared to the fate of the world's balance hanging on fighting either Groudon or Kyogre in the Hall of Origins (R/S) or waking Rayquaza at Sky Pillar, and their ruins are scattered throughout Hoenn more like a... I guess central nervous system than the heart itself. Meteor Falls is a cool place and it's important to the story, but I don't know how it fits in the lore of Hoenn outside of it believing to be where Solrock and Lunatone landed from a meteor shower in the area. Honestly don't get why or how it is Team Magma/Aqua (but mainly Magma) plans to use it to make Mt. Chimney erupt like wut? Couldn't they just set up explosives or something to trigger it?

The Regi trio got expanded upon a bit in Gen IV with Regigigas suggesting they may not have originated directly from Hoenn but somehow ended up there in ancient times. Think they do Regigigas' bidding or something canonically.

Disc said:
You say that the altar of the moone/sunne isn't made to seem important when not only is there a massive canyon to navigate before it, but the area leading up to it is the Dragon Trial.
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I forget, what's the significance of the Trials to Alolan lore? That's how you unlock more Z-Moves, which are Alola-exclusive, but no one seems to understand where Z-Moves come from and all we have to go off of it is Kukui's theory which I think remained a theory to the end.

Disc said:
You say you do nothing significant in Lumiose while conveniently forgetting not only that the professor of the region lives there, and you visit it multiple times, and that it's right near the Pokemon League, the Castle, the postgame quests are there...
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It's been ages since I last played Y, but what does all of that have to do with expanding upon the lore of Kalos? The concept of Kalos I think was built around the war and ultimate weapon, but you don't get that lore in Lumiose. If anything, I think Kalos' lore is one of the weakest in Pokémon since you don't follow up on it (thanks to how they fucked over Zygarde), and far as I can tell, you are never told where Yvetal and Xerneas originally dwell or hibernate at. Team Flare just so happens to have their cocoons in their possession when you first encounter the box-art Legendaries.

SnowBall said:
A lot of it is hidden around and requires you to seek it out yourself, from the legendary trios outside of the dragons to the Abyss Ruins. Unova dials back on the creation myths compared to Hoenn and especially Sinnoh. I actually found it a bit of a breath of fresh air after Sinnoh goes a bit overboard with its creation myths with the main Trio being close to Pokegods.
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Ah, that's true. Think that's honestly the last time a Pokémon game doesn't try to hold your hand in explaining its lore as to allow the player to study the puzzle pieces for themselves. Unova's lore feels a lot like lost history since even though the ruins are known, researchers don't know the significance of them. It almost seems like only the folks of Opelucid City know of Unova's past since it's passed down through folklore (there might be one more town that does, too, but I can't think of it), but it's still always passed off as legend.
 
Disc said:
Just because a thread hasn't been updated in a while doesn't mean it needs to be.
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What if there needed to be a quick sperging over something like the rival's sprites?
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I think it's really neat to see that progression in his stance in showing how much he thinks/needs to be better than you to the point of getting an outfit upgrade upon being Champion. Like I guess Lance gave him some of his hair gel or something, but like was there any reason for Blue to slick his hair over as such? It's actually kinda funny that the official art gave him the Champion haircut and that ultimately became his signature look.

In fact... the artwork might've unintentionally spoiled that you fight your rival as the end of the Pokémon League because of a haircut upgrade. Huh.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
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Tell me if you see this as well: There is a mix of Ash/Blue(Gary) in the face and hair of the first two Blue sprites. The similarities are that of the anime, whereas the last looks akin to the Blue we know, at least in FR/LG (the black shirt, the stark white [to purple] trousers, and the black shoes).

While his hair nowadays reflects the spikiness of the first two, it is also out there, or more flashy like the last sprite.
 
LonnieRohn said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wtQx4R2M2iw
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Okay wtf why, I don't want a new mainline game because again, it would probably be shit under these circumstances/worse than usual. but I just want... literally anything but this.
ChucklesTheJester said:
Who even is post malone. What does he have to do with pokemon?
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He's kinda a meme musician I have no idea why TPC is focused with music like this and Katie Perry to celebrate the 30th anniversary. having weird al would be based tho
 
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