Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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Well of course, but Gen 4 and 5 are still revered as Pokemon in their prime, downsides be damned. Look at how content-packed they were.

Now compare that to XY, which had a short postgame story and two legendaries to fight. That's all. And this is consistent with the games since XY. Sun and Moon had the same problem.

This is Pokemon on a console, not a short 2-3gb DS flashcart. They've had more than long enough to make SwSh as good as they can. But evidently they aren't.
I feel that’s looking at things with rose colored glasses. Yeah they’re revered now in comparison to the newer games but they received plenty of criticism when they were first released. Same could be said with Gen 3 before ORAS pumped new life into it. Through it all, I never paid attention and just played what I wanted.
I’m personally going to wait and see if there’s going to be more in the upcoming months but I really can’t say more. At worst I’ll just skip it like I did with Let’s Go and that’ll be the end of that.
 
Game Freak needs to get with the times - we live in an era where almost every console game gets online updates that add new features. The only thing GF has ever used patches for is glitch fixes. Maybe they think it's pointless if Ultra Sword and Ultra shield are around the corner, but that kind of thing is another thing they're behind the times on. I'm really surprised that Sun and Moon were never patched to accept the new mons that were introduced in the Ultra games.

I'm still going to buy Sword and Shield, but I'm not saying that I'm defending them on their laziness. I don't really care about the national dex that much, and losing megas isn't the end of the world either, but I still have at least a little respect for people who do care about those things.
 
I feel that’s looking at things with rose colored glasses. Yeah they’re revered now in comparison to the newer games but they received plenty of criticism when they were first released. Same could be said with Gen 3 before ORAS pumped new life into it. Through it all, I never paid attention and just played what I wanted.


THIS.
THIS.

THIS.

Shock of all shocks, people tend to forget that almost EVERY pokemon game was criticized after Gen 3 (and that's because at the time, that was due to the lack of the online presence or how the internet was still evolving at the time). In fact, Diamond and Pearl were released at the time where the internet was starting to get more traction and sites like Youtube were a thing and forums kept bustling out and talking about the games as a whole.

Hell, I remember all the bitching and complaining about Generation 5, and how people hated the fact that you couldn't catch your old favorites in the game... Which was a bit of a lie, since you could, but they were locked behind completing the story.

GF tried to release a sequel to the games, trying to remedy this, and they did, heck, you could catch Riolu in the wild and get a Lucario on your team (remember, Lucario was one of the hottest pokemon at the time... Oh god...), but unfortunately, the damage had been done. When they released BW2, they managed to scrap over half of the amount of sales that the original games did. Which is actually a trend that we see if you look at the sales of the third games in the series:

Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, and Platinum. And that's mainly because they're more fleshed out versions of the previous two games with added features to them. And I wouldn't be surprised if people thought the same with BW2, given the trends of before - And yes, I'm willing to believe that people are that dumb.

I've recently seen people praising X and Y, but I have an issue with that. You can like the games sure, but to me, it's probably one of the weakest entries in the entire series, especially coming hot off of the heels of Gen 5, which, fun fact, both gens were being developed alongside each other.

To me, the series reached it's height in gen 5 - With it's game design, aesthetic design, and even it's sound design, like, I still love how the music would change in battle depending on how much health your pokemon had or when you reached the last pokemon the Gym Leader had, that small change really pumped you up.

But considering that you had so many people complaining about Gen 5, as well as the lack of being able to catch previous pokemon, I believe that the heads of GF and TPC took that the wrong way and had gens 6 and 7 focused more on catering to the Previous Generations, and thus took a lot away from making the generations stand out.
 
Game Freak needs to get with the times - we live in an era where almost every console game gets online updates that add new features. The only thing GF has ever used patches for is glitch fixes. Maybe they think it's pointless if Ultra Sword and Ultra shield are around the corner, but that kind of thing is another thing they're behind the times on. I'm really surprised that Sun and Moon were never patched to accept the new mons that were introduced in the Ultra games.

I'm still going to buy Sword and Shield, but I'm not saying that I'm defending them on their laziness. I don't really care about the national dex that much, and losing megas isn't the end of the world either, but I still have at least a little respect for people who do care about those things.
My thoughts exactly. I understand why people are upset and rightfully so, but I don't share that sentiment. The megas were cool, the Z-moves were nice and, while it sucks that we don't the National dex, that doesn't bother me either.
 
I’m a Sinnoh baby myself yet I don’t have any nostalgic defence to say about DPP, my experience of that generation was... average? I remember battling and running through grass as you do in every game, fighting a trainer I couldn’t beat, going away to grind for a few hours then trying again. There’s nothing you can’t beat by being overlevelled regardless of what Pokemon you have. I’m not fond of Pokemon Black & White but I can’t deny it feels a lot better and Black might run a little too well on my 3DS, I see the battle animations animate so fast the the game itself seems to take a second to catch up in response to what happens onscreen which feels ‘off’.

Also, does anyone think DPP was very ...blue? Like a lot of the new Pokemon introduced at the time had dark blue/purple or black in their palette, or is that just me?
 
Speaking of diamond and pearl- I always named my Piplup Mumble because Happy feet had just come out. I loved him.
 
I feel that’s looking at things with rose colored glasses. Yeah they’re revered now in comparison to the newer games but they received plenty of criticism when they were first released. Same could be said with Gen 3 before ORAS pumped new life into it. Through it all, I never paid attention and just played what I wanted.
I’m personally going to wait and see if there’s going to be more in the upcoming months but I really can’t say more. At worst I’ll just skip it like I did with Let’s Go and that’ll be the end of that.
Is it rose-titned glasses when you're comparing pokemon games to other games on the same console?
R/B/Y and G/S/C were the best games for GB and GBC. You could arguably say the same for gen 3, though the GBA had some other gems. The moment Cartridges/Game Cards/Whatever got good enough to fit actual games in them Gamefrak has not been able to keep up with the rest of the industry.

Sword and Shield are the first mainline Pokémon games on an actual honest-to-god home console, people have every right to expect something more.
 
Scizor is clearly the best pokemon.

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Is it rose-titned glasses when you're comparing pokemon games to other games on the same console?
R/B/Y and G/S/C were the best games for GB and GBC. You could arguably say the same for gen 3, though the GBA had some other gems. The moment Cartridges/Game Cards/Whatever got good enough to fit actual games in them Gamefrak has not been able to keep up with the rest of the industry.

Sword and Shield are the first mainline Pokémon games on an actual honest-to-god home console, people have every right to expect something more.
Well the examples you gave are perfect examples of rose tinted glasses. The original games were glitchy bugged out messes with terrible graphics; it was so bad they had to release the Blue version just to fix some (not all) of the bugs. Gold and Silver were huge improvements on this which is why they’re beloved. And Ruby and Sapphire were hated for being step downs from GSC (no night and day system, no animations, no backwards compatibility, etc.)

Despite all this, they’ve been able to keep up with the industry through some miracle. Maybe that’s why I’m not so mad about “expecting more”; or maybe I’m just apathetic at this point. Either way, I’ve said all I can about the subject until release date. It’s all I can do.
 
Scizor is clearly the best pokemon.

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>Scizor.
>Not Dusclops.


Pffft. Normie!

For reals though Scizor is a great Gen 2 pokemon and you have good taste!

I'll admit that I view RSE with a little more bias and GSC always put a huge smile on my face every time I boot them up, but I do understand about the rose-tinted glasses argument. It's very easy to just compare these ones against the best of the series and nothing else, so I've instead set my love for the older games aside and judged the SwSh based off of what kind of impression they've given me so far. I feel that to me it doesn't look all that good when compared to a lot of other Switch titles, and therefore feel that I won't want to buy them because of that, rather than just boycotting them because of no national dex or whatever.

I do feel that fans deserve more, however. But I doubt that's going to change. The best thing to do is to vote with my wallet and leave it at that.
 
Game Freak needs to get with the times - we live in an era where almost every console game gets online updates that add new features. The only thing GF has ever used patches for is glitch fixes. Maybe they think it's pointless if Ultra Sword and Ultra shield are around the corner, but that kind of thing is another thing they're behind the times on. I'm really surprised that Sun and Moon were never patched to accept the new mons that were introduced in the Ultra games.
That's exactly why they haven't gotten with the times in regards to patches. Why patch extra features into an older game when you can just put them in newer one a year later and force consumers to buy that instead?

It's been this way from the beginning with things like move tutors and extra story segments that are always tucked behind third versions, but it's become more obvious the past couple installments with how increasingly insidious their tactics have become. First it was new megas in ORAS that couldn't be used in X/Y (to the point where you couldn't even use them if another player was using a copy of a Kalos game), and then in USUM as you already pointed out full-on unique mons were kept behind a $40 paywall with the same principle.

This is why I'm highly suspicious of the Dexit business, because now it gives them a free marketing ploy for whatever games(s) come after SWSH. "Hey, those older mons you love that we deleted from existence are back! Now give us your cash you sheeple!"
 
Scizor is clearly the best pokemon.

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That's a good choice...

But pales in comparison to Gen 5's bisharp.
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That's exactly why they haven't gotten with the times in regards to patches. Why patch extra features into an older game when you can just put them in newer one a year later and force consumers to buy that instead?

Technically speaking, before DLC was a thing, they actually had things in Gen 4 where you had to download codes to get certain pokemon. My memory's a little hazy on it, but I remember it for Cressailia (SP for a pokemon I never really used) or something like that.
 
Technically speaking, before DLC was a thing, they actually had things in Gen 4 where you had to download codes to get certain pokemon. My memory's a little hazy on it, but I remember it for Cressailia (SP for a pokemon I never really used) or something like that.
All the mons are already coded into the game (in fact you can get a couple like Darkrai and Shaymin through glitches) so it's more like a password to allow you to obtain them, so it's not really what you'd call a patch. That has been the case from DPP all the way to present. A closer equivalent would be the bizarre distribution cartridges used in some instances, like the shiny Johto Beast trio in HGSS that would later be used for the Zoroark event in BW.
 
All the mons are already coded into the game (in fact you can get a couple like Darkrai and Shaymin through glitches) so it's more like a password to allow you to obtain them, so it's not really what you'd call a patch. That has been the case from DPP all the way to present. A closer equivalent would be the bizarre distribution cartridges used in some instances, like the shiny Johto Beast trio in HGSS that would later be used for the Zoroark event in BW.

Well, I wasn't really referring to patches.
 
Thankful, this little guy managed to get in (thanks, Minccino). I love Cinccino. It's cute and a low-key threat with Skill Link.
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They never stated how many will be getting into the game did they? Nor did they give us a list of the Pokemon that made it in. Makes you think huh.

I mean, we don't know the full dex anyway.

For all we know at this point, everything they revealed could be the dex, or they could kick out just legendaries - Lord knows I'm sick of seeing legendaries and myticals being used at the official tournies.
 
I mean, we don't know the full dex anyway.

For all we know at this point, everything they revealed could be the dex, or they could kick out just legendaries - Lord knows I'm sick of seeing legendaries and myticals being used at the official tournies.
You and me both.
 
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