Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[chimpSculpture]

They didn't overestimate anything. It's a mobile game they released early on Switch. They are trying to get you to subscribe to it and make a revenue stream from battle passes. It's a really lazy port that required almost nothing to be done to make it. A few new animations is all that seems new here.

Champions is a stripped back version of competitive Pokémon because they want to keep the game alive for probably 10+ years. They're confident enough to move VGC to Champions already this year.

To keep people coming back to a game for that long, a studio will regularly release new content for it every few months, this is how Team Fortress 2 and Minecraft became mega giants. But Champions can't do this because it can't have it's own new content, only what has already been first introduced in the main line games. So as a workaround they've stripped the game down and will re-release the missing content as the new content updates.

I would not be surprised if the developers have all of the missing Pokémon, abilities, items and whatever else already implemented. But have omitted most of it for release. They spent a bit longer developing the game than I would imagine it would take to actually develop it. The game isn't lazy, it's been designed to be stripped back. It is a cash-grab though.

 

[PetiteFeet]

Finished Pokemon Lazarus.

Ignoring the content as a whole, I really enjoy the "demake" sprites for the newer gen pokemon. It just proves to me that Pokemon should never have evolved past B/W2's sprites. Heck, maybe the game shouldn't have evolved past GSC sprites.
Some of the modern pokemon designs don't lend themselves favourably towards the pixel art style, but I still by far prefer this version of them than their actual 3D models.
I'm with you 100% on the duck starter being one of the worst final stages. What an ugly fucking pokemon. Same with Primarina but I guess it at least has some charm.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

To keep people coming back to a game for that long, a studio will regularly release new content for it every few months, this is how Team Fortress 2 and Minecraft became mega giants.

TF2 and Minecraft were nothing alike. Minecraft was made by Notch while he was an anon. He would post about it on /v/ and suggestions from threads would be added within days. The game constantly evolved until the Halloween update missed it's dead line and Notch was too rich to care. That's when it started to become monthly updates, but the game was already a mega success before then.

But Champions can't do this because it can't have it's own new content, only what has already been first introduced in the main line games.

Why can't it? Why can't Champions introduce unique movesets to pokemon that later get added to the mainline games? Surfing Pikachu (an example) could easily be made for Champions without needing to be in the main game. Release an event where you have to win 5 battles over like 3 months. If you win they add Surfing Pikachu to your Champions boxes. It has a unique animation where it can use a surf board to surf. It can't be evolved or transferred. If you buy the battle pass you unlock different hats and surf boards for it on a couple of the slots..

You can apply this to any move or any ability. You can even have a "Delta pokemon" mode, Dark pokemon or Name's pokemon. Make a promo Golbat with Strong jaw and it's biting moves. It won't shake up the meta, it won't impact shit, but people will grind out the battle pass for it and try to make it work. You can even make it special modes where you get pre-selected teams like Misty or Brock's teams and have a gym leader battle mode where you only use pre-selected teams.

Pokemon is very easy to monetize and to run events for. Champions doesn't have to be just the mainline games. It can be it's own thing aside from them and then the mainline games can those ideas into it. Adding Strong jaw Golbat to the main games is easy enough.

 

[chimpSculpture]

Why can't it? Why can't Champions introduce unique movesets to pokemon that later get added to the mainline games? Surfing Pikachu (an example) could easily be made for Champions without needing to be in the main game. Release an event where you have to win 5 battles over like 3 months. If you win they add Surfing Pikachu to your Champions boxes. It has a unique animation where it can use a surf board to surf. It can't be evolved or transferred. If you buy the battle pass you unlock different hats and surf boards for it on a couple of the slots..

I'm talking about major things like new Pokémon species or generational gimmicks like Z-Moves or Gigantamax. The game's monetary model is as a live-service, so content has to be delivered in big bursts so that they're hype enough to bring back an audience.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

I'm talking about major things like new Pokémon species or generational gimmicks like Z-Moves or Gigantamax. The game's monetary model is as a live-service, so content has to be delivered in big bursts so that they're hype enough to bring back an audience.

You don't need big bursts of content when dealing with autists. If they made Surfing Charmander and Surfing Eevee they would have a huge number of retards playing just to use them.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Speaking of gen 9 starters, it's crazy that skeledirge is the first fully quadrupedal fire type final evo ever. Best gen 9 starter by default (well I do genuinely like skeledirge's line but you get what I mean)

No it really is though.

I never played Gen9, but I tried it out on Showdown, and slow-speed aside, Torch Song with Throat Spray is basically a free Nasty Plot while you're still doing damage to the opponent. Alluring Voice kills the dark types it's weak to and Tera Grass with Tera Blast kills the other three (Ground/Rock/Water) (assuming you don't want to stick it on a sun team with Solar Beam).

Considering Protean got nerfed, Meowscarada is mid, and Quaquaval is a faggot I wouldn't touch with a 50ft pole no matter how good Moxie is.

 

[Archeops]

Oops, it looks like my two POR booster bundles were delayed by a day. I had a suspicion it would since its status wasn’t updated last night.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

People probably already know this by now and it's probably on a lot of TOS outside of Pokemon games:

We do not guarantee to you that there are no defects or bugs in the Service, and we will bear no responsibility for repairing defects or bugs.
-Article 14: Responsibilities of Users

I believe it's a normal clause but oh boy is it abused viciously. This would be acceptable for smaller yet ambitious indie game studios but not so much for the highest grossing IPs in existence. Beating the dead horse, I know. Still saddens me.

 

[Abella]

What two current decks should I get to teach my nephew more complicated stuff?
I am thinking festival ground and Alakazam but I dunno if the power level of them are too skewed

Pultnoir munkidori and froslass munkidori.

 

[Nick Gars]

I believe it's a normal clause but oh boy is it abused viciously. This would be acceptable for smaller yet ambitious indie game studios but not so much for the highest grossing IPs in existence. Beating the dead horse, I know. Still saddens me

Aka: "If Championship eats your Pokemon from Home, thats on you, bud."

While I have no intention of playing Championship, I'm at least glad I have a modded Switch to clone my shit just in case I do. The fact some Pokemon even got deleted in the transfer process is egregious in and of itself. Thats almost as bad in terms of "quality control" as S/V having a fucking static RNG seed for online battles on release. Both are "how the fuck did this happen?!" situation when again, biggest IP in the world. It's maddening.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

Thats almost as bad in terms of "quality control" as S/V having a fucking static RNG seed for online battles on release.

What? Wait does that mean moves that might miss will always miss or hit? I heard of something like that with OHKO moves hitting every time.

 

[Nick Gars]

What? Wait does that mean moves that might miss will always miss or hit? I heard of something like that with OHKO moves hitting every time.

Yep, if I remember right, turn 2 or 3 was always a 100% OHKO hit for both sides. So the first weeks meta was entirely built around who could get the fastest (or trick roomed) Pokemon to throw it out first. The exact same results every single fight until that first patch hit. I believe turn 1 was always a miss for non-100% accuracy moves.

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

Yep, if I remember right, turn 2 or 3 was always a 100% OHKO hit for both sides. So the first weeks meta was entirely built around who could get the fastest (or trick roomed) Pokemon to throw it out first. The exact same results every single fight until that first patch hit. I believe turn 1 was always a miss for non-100% accuracy moves.

Every time I think they've reached peak incompetence, I find out they actually reached it sooner than I thought.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Speaking of gen 9 starters, it's crazy that skeledirge is the first fully quadrupedal fire type final evo ever. Best gen 9 starter by default (well I do genuinely like skeledirge's line but you get what I mean)

I'm genuinely shocked with how hard they nailed Skeledirge's design. It's one of my favorites of the past few generations.

I'm with you 100% on the duck starter being one of the worst final stages.

And don't get me started on that fucking duck. They were totally set up to have some kind of don Quixote duck knight and that would have been leagues better than the gigafaggoty shit we got. It's a shame because it's honestly not bad on paper. Water/Fighting mon with Moxie, a rather high Attack and respectable speed, and a reasonably powerful stab move boosting its speed? All they had to do was nail the fucking visual design.

 

[Registration]

Probably some changed since the last time I did it. But I can assure you one thing: third gen was the hardest to pick, there are so many GOAT options.



Also some got in because I liked using them.

Ultimate Favorite Pokemon Picker

Find your favorite Pokemon of each generation, each type, and of all time.

cajunavenger.github.io

 

[Do Not Touch Me Pls]

I'm a bit too late on the Pokemon Champions grift, but at one point (this was 2 years ago) I imagined that Pokemon will sooner or later try to move itself from console games to an F2P Gacha format.

How well-aged has that been.

In some aspect I hope that Champions tanks so disastrously hard that GameFreak will be forced to use Wind and Wave or develop their own battle simulation app to do it rather than just outsourcing it to the same company that re-exported the DS Diamond and Pearl's code into Switch.

 

[PetiteFeet]

Genuinely had a hard time not picking repeats. Empty spots are for when I don't like any of the options and/or I wanted to avoid a repeat choice (even though I repeated a lot of choices in other spots, sorry)

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

If it wasn't Switch 2 exclusive it would have done even better.

Even my wife out of nowhere expressed interest in the game despite rejecting any and all attempts to get her to play any pokemon games with me. If it wasn't for the $500+ price tag I'd be jiving in post apocalyptic Kanto right now.. ;-;

 

[Archeops]

Pokémon Center put up their preorders for Chaos Rising about an hour ago and I managed to place an order, I'll be getting two PC-exclusive ETBs around release day.

And my POR ETB and booster bundles should be coming in today pending any courier shenanigans.

 

[Professor Donger]

Pokémon Center put up their preorders for Chaos Rising about an hour ago and I managed to place an order, I'll be getting two PC-exclusive ETBs around release day.

And my POR ETB and booster bundles should be coming in today pending any courier shenanigans.

Went to check the website to see what the price would be, and oh my god



Scalpers ruin everything