Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Celebrate Nite]

Instead they gave it to everyone and sundry and rather than filling a niche it just became the new meta.

Didn't help that they made a few legendaries the fairy type.

I saw Xerneas and Diancie online more times than I can count during Gen 6. And then Gen 7 had Tapu-rape EVERYWHERE.

 

[Thiletonomics]

Didn't help that they made a few legendaries the fairy type.

I saw Xerneas and Diancie online more times than I can count during Gen 6. And then Gen 7 had Tapu-rape EVERYWHERE.

And let's not mention how Zacian was so OP and dominant in Gen 8 VGC and Unite. I wonder if she was also OP in TCG and GO, because I don't recall her being meta in those formats. Heck, if she were added to Smash, she would be OP as fuck there too.

 

[Archeops]

And let's not mention how Zacian was so OP and dominant in Gen 8 VGC and Unite. I wonder if she was also OP in TCG and GO, because I don't recall her being meta in those formats. Heck, if she were added to Smash, she would be OP as fuck there too.

Zacian V from SWSH’s base set was nasty when you combined it with absolute ass cancer that was Arceus & Dialga & Palkia GX (thanks in part to Altered Creation GX boosting damage output by 30 for one Metal Energy and, for an additional Water Energy, boosting the amount of Prize Cards you take by 1 for the entire game), having an Ability that lets you look at the top 3 cards in your deck and attaching any Metal Energy you find there to it at the cost of your turn ending and an attack that does a base 230 damage for 3 Metal Energies at the cost of not being able to attack on your next turn is just a bonus.

Another Zacian V, this time from Celebrations and as a Fairy Psychic type, has a similar Ability to base set Zacian V (it lets you search your deck for one Psychic Energy and attach it to one of your Pokémon but it ends your turn) and an attack that costs 3 Colorless Energy and does a base 60 damage that’s boosted by 30 damage for each Psychic Energy attached to it. As for which Pokémon it was paired with it with Whimsicott VSTAR decks and early Gardevoir ex decks.

 

[Marche]

I wonder if she was also OP in TCG and GO,

TCG is all over the place with what Mons are OP because they can just give a pokemon like Meowth a strong ability like this, while not technically OP it will be in a good majority of decks coming up because there is no downside to playing it and it can win games by simply playing it to get another card that will win.

 

[Kerry]

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It could be argued in court.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Could someone tell me about the Bloo controversy? I saw a video about it, from what I gathered a Pokemon forum tranny went insane and participated in an online tournament where he made hilariously obvious hand crafted teams against each player.

 

[The Last H3ro]

That is essentially it. The reason he was able to do this was he was an admin on Smogon, hosted the tournament, and gave himself people he knew he could test with and know the teams of and beat in flashy ways. People caught on before the tour ended and he was perma'd from the site. Why he did this is unknown as far as I recall. Just assume it's because he could.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I think it's mostly that Rock Types are made of rock, while Ground Types just burrow in the ground. Not that there aren't exceptions to both, but that seems to be the general idea.

Generally this has been my thoughts too.

The only confusion is Sandstorm, when pretty much every other "sand" style attack and Pokemon with "sand" in its name is a ground type, being Rock.

Fairy was totally unnecessary. It was added, functionally, to nerf Dragons, but that could have been accomplished by just giving many Ice Mons a needed increase in their stats and also making Dragon weak to Steel. Instead they gave it to everyone and sundry and rather than filling a niche it just became the new meta.

Doesn't help to double-down on Dragon hate when almost every fucking Water type can learn both Ice Beam and Blizzard.

 

[Lone Star]

The only confusion is Sandstorm, when pretty much every other "sand" style attack and Pokemon with "sand" in its name is a ground type, being Rock.

Well naturally because it's in the air and not on the ground.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

And how does the number of types compare to other games with similar systems? WoW's Pet Battle mode has only 10 types, as one example.

I don't play many monster catcher games besides Pokemon, but from a quick search, TemTem has 12, Palworld has 9, Fossil Fighters has 6, and Invizimals has 12 (6 offensive and 6 defensive). I don't know of any that has more types than Pokemon.

Fairy was totally unnecessary. It was added, functionally, to nerf Dragons, but that could have been accomplished by just giving many Ice Mons a needed increase in their stats and also making Dragon weak to Steel. Instead they gave it to everyone and sundry and rather than filling a niche it just became the new meta.

Dragon being weak to steel would make sense thematically, it'd allude to the idea of a knight slaying a dragon with his sword. Alternatively, Game Freak could practice some restraint and not make dragon types overpowered on purpose and then go surprisedpikachu.jpg when they dominate the meta.

Ice needs a rebalancing to actually benefit ice types, as it currently is, it's better for water mons than actual ice mons. I suggest making it resistant to electric because ice isn't very conductive IRL. Grass would be an obvious pick but it doesn't need to be made any worse.

 

[I mean I'm just saying]

There's also the Stellar type in Scarlet and Violet, but I'm not sure if that technically counts.

I'd say no, the only way to actually have the stellar type defensively is to tera with Terapagos, other mons keep their base type. Offensively it only occurs in tera blast and it's got no interactions other than being super effective against other mons with tera active. I wouldn't be surprised if the "type" gets demoted to a simple effect down the line.
I remember before its release everyone was anticipating an actual new type (especially the cohort asking for a "cosmic" type) and being disappointed how little it actually occurs, but it's probably a blessing considering how overtuned the last new type was.

Instead they gave it to everyone and sundry and rather than filling a niche it just became the new meta.

Doesn't help Moonblast is one of the strongest moves they've ever made, 95 bp no drawback and a whopping 30% spatk drop secondary is unprecedented on non-signature moves and they handed it out like candy.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Fairy was totally unnecessary. It was added, functionally, to nerf Dragons, but that could have been accomplished by just giving many Ice Mons a needed increase in their stats and also making Dragon weak to Steel. Instead they gave it to everyone and sundry and rather than filling a niche it just became the new meta.

Fairy was made to nerf Dragon, Fighting, and Bug while giving people reason to use steel and poison moves. The first two are obvious (gen 5 was dominated by dragons and fighting types finally got all the stuff they need along with enough mons to make them scary) and bug was nerfed because of U Turn.

 

[Racial Slurs the Movie]

That's just as annoying as having every bird "Normal/Flying" instead of pure flying

Doduo and Dotrio should have been Flying/Ground solving both these problems.

Also why wasn't Fearow Dark/Flying

 

[Marche]

The problem with Normal/Flying is that it should just be Bird type.

 

[Focken Kiwi]

The problem with Normal/Flying is that it should just be Bird type.

Instead, they gave Bird type to MissingNo., a Pokemon that very clearly should have been a Bug type.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

bug was nerfed because of U Turn.

If GF had a problem with U-turn they would've nerfed it like they did with Sucker Punch, there's no need to make a weak type even weaker because of one move, especially when Volt Switch and Flip Turn exist.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

If Fairy is seen as overpowered, can we make Psychic both super effective against and resistant against it? Easy to justify it via rationality and science over superstition.

I’d have made Ice resist Water as a useful resistance at the very least.

 

[Computer God Autism]

If Fairy is seen as overpowered,

It isn't seen as overpowered, it is overpowered.

can we make Psychic both super effective against and resistant against it?

Fairy was already given out to a lot of Psychic Types and already has similar motifs, right down to a similar coloring for the typing. I don't think there's anything particularly scientific about telekinesis either; and either way making Psychic a counter to Fairy would make a historically strong type even more.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

making Psychic a counter to Fairy would make a historically strong type even more.

To put it in a different way:

"Do you want Gen1 teams? Because that's how you get Gen1 teams!"

Alakazam, Exeggutor, Jynx, Starmie, and to a lesser extent Hypno/Slowbro, were fucking EVERYWHERE in competitive play. Sometimes two/three of them in the same team. Granted, the special stat wasn't split yet, and ghost moves were glitched in R/B/Y (they did 0 damage to Psychics even though they were supposed to be Super Effective on them), but still...

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

Fairy was already given out to a lot of Psychic Types and already has similar motifs, right down to a similar coloring for the typing

This I agree with 100%.

and either way making Psychic a counter to Fairy would make a historically strong type even more.

To put it in a different way:

"Do you want Gen1 teams? Because that's how you get Gen1 teams!"

Alakazam, Exeggutor, Jynx, Starmie, and to a lesser extent Hypno/Slowbro, were fucking EVERYWHERE in competitive play. Sometimes two/three of them in the same team. Granted, the special stat wasn't split yet, and ghost moves were glitched in R/B/Y (they did 0 damage to Psychics even though they were supposed to be Super Effective on them), but still...

Worry not, I'm old, I remember Psychic being the terror of Gen 1, believe me. I haven't simply been around in modern gens enough that I actually was feeling and hearing word that Psychic, ironically, had become a somewhat weak type and vis-a-vis Fairy being the current strong type, thought that'd be a nice if historically funny balance to both. If Psychic's still doing well, I gladly/humbly take back my balance thought.

Combo typings in early gens that were so prevalent like Normal/Flying, Ground/Rock and Rock/Ground, Ice/Water and Water/Ice: I could see being dropped to just Flying for birds, Rock or Ground as need be, and merely Ice since we've tons of Water types - case-by-case, since some mons surely would logically be Rock/Ground or Ice/Water, of course! - and while that'd likely hurt plenty of them in effectiveness, I'd be okay with it in principle to clean up typings since we gradually got single-typing and logically so Rock, Ground, Flying, Ice, etc. types ahoy in future, better-balanced and creative gens.