Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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These are the same ridiculous patents people were shellshocked by earlier this year and are blatantly Pokemon Legends Arceus mechanics (awful fucking game btw, I expect Legends Z-A to be similarly bad but unfortunately successful) trying to be filed against Pal World.

The summoning one in particular specifies it is with "throwing a ball". This means other games can still summon characters to fight for them, just not by means of throwing a ball. That's probably why we're not hearing such a loud stink from other companies.

Square Enix has their own Pokémon-like, World of Final Fantasy, and it's still legally distinct because the "imprison" mechanic involves a character raising up a cube, the creature disappearing into a sphere, and then raising up and turning into the smaller cube when "imprisoned". No throwing of any kind, and the held object is a cube. Digimon summons via a tamagotchi or other device, Yugioh uses cards laid down onto a battle field to summon characters, etc. etc.

The mount patent is easily far worse because of how many games before it already had the idea of a mount instantly summoning forward, though I have heard the real issue is the "smooth transition between riding one mount to swapping to another" which really just means either the character has to dismount before riding another mount, or do some other animation first. It's still far more vague and shitty than the ball throw summon patent though.
 
I think it's kind of BS that patents can even apply to fictional stuff in a vidya.

If patents are even a good idea in the first place, they should be for real world things for practical applications. Not throwing a ball to summon a character in some vidya.
 
Hooked on phobics said:
wouldn't this basically DEMOLISH the souls genre too? like literally SUMMONING a FRIEND (a charecter) to fight BOSSES is a staple of that game
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I think this would broadly include any kind of mid game dropping in or possibly even respawning (Helldivers comes to mind) co-op. This is so absurd it can't be anything more than a nothing burger.
 
It’s crazy how hard Palworld mentally broke these people. Next up is patenting “games with fictional creatures.”
 
ToroidalBoat said:
I think it's kind of BS that patents can even apply to fictional stuff in a vidya.

If patents are even a good idea in the first place, they should be for real world things for practical applications. Not throwing a ball to summon a character in some vidya.
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I absolutely agree. I think it is insane that TPC would really rather keep throwing its fanbase's money at these cases trying to keep their monster-catcher monopoly instead of putting their wealth into actually improving their products. It really says they are aware that they can put out minimum effort and crank out a profit by taking advantage of nostalgia and an absurdly loyal fanbase.

Even more insane that they can try to sue a 2024 game for a crappy 2022 game they published without these patents, whose patents were not accepted until 2025. And while I may not be fully literate in legalese, that is definitely unfair and unreasonable. The charges should be dropped.

R00T said:
It’s crazy how hard Palworld mentally broke these people. Next up is patenting “games with fictional creatures.”
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The mindbreak was evident when Palworld had just released and they were airing their VGC/TCG tournaments on Twitch; they had nearly every variation of "palworld" filtered and automoderated in chat, with actual human mods personally deleting messages with words like "P4l w0rld" trying to break through the filter. It was the most extreme damage control and the sheer popularity was obviously a blow to their ego.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
If patents are even a good idea in the first place
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They are in theory. The main drive for inovation (other than survival) is profit. If you can't be reasonably sure that your idea/invention/improvement will actually be profitable, then what's the point in wasting all of your precious time, energy, and money on materializing it? Patents allow people "dibs" on an idea and provide a kind of motivation to come up with a practical application of that idea first. That being said, filing patents for a pre-established ideas is completely retarded, and I think patents (as well as copyright) should be limited to something like 1-3 years. People still have a reason to invent new stories and technology, but they can't sue people for using their ORIGINAL OC and you don't have shitheads like Monsanto firmly clutching the balls of farming infrastructure and the world's fucking food supply.
 
Strangolapreti said:
Examples that comes to my mind:
- Persona
* Final fantasy
* Hollow knight (glowing womb/weaversong/grimmchild charms)
* Every soulsborne (nomore sunbro/spirit ashes/tibia summon/revenant)
* Bloodstained (companion shards counts as summons)
(looking at my Steam library rn)
- Dead cells (items that spawn maggots)
* Postal 2 (necromancy)
* Realm of the mad god (summoner's class)
* Titan quest (various creatures summoned like wolves and lich king).
* elder scrolls (conjuration skill tree)

And that's not even it, with * I marked entries where I clearly remember enemies doing the same against you by spawning minions.
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  • Ratched and Clank (mini robots, it's also a "ball" mechanic similar to Pokemon)
  • Watch_Dogs (calling in gangs)
  • E.Y.E.: Divine Cybermancy (dummy bots, no damage but still close to the call in mechanics)
Calling in bot support can't be patented, it's ridiculous.
 
Poonocchio said:
WoW as well. Pet battles and a lot of classes have summlnable pets. Nintendo v Blizzard would be funny though.
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Not just pet battles but it also breaks the entire Hunter class as they tame animals and summon them to assist them in fights.

Edit: Forgot about Warlocks, Death Knights and Mages. Those three would be affected too.
 
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Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
In the most lulwut headline I’ve ever seen - Nintendo and The Pokemon Company have picked up a patent on, and I shit you not, summoning a character and letting it fight another.
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When I first saw this, the first game I thought of was Chaos Legion.
BTW, I 100% recommend you play this game, it's peak early 2000s Capcom.
Hooked on phobics said:
OH NO, HALFLIFE VIOLATES NINTENDOS COPYRIGHT!!!!
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AND THEY DID IT AGAIN,EVEN MORE BLUNTLY, IN HALFLIFE2!!! WTF!!!
 
Damn, guess they will be fighting ActiBlizz as well.
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That's the most obvious example. Then you have Druid, Amazon, Assassin... Hell, only Barb, Sorc and Pally are unable to directly summon combat minions.
 
Focken Kiwi said:
Not just pet battles but it also breaks the entire Hunter class as they tame animals and summon them to assist them in fights.
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The Hunters in Octopath Traveler can do the exact same thing, they're even compared with Pokemon trainers by OT fans.

Just_A_guy said:
TND, Total Nintendo Death. This is just an extension of their palworld lawsuit which the retarded ass courts are letting go ahead anyway despite the fact that Nintendo is patenting mechanics AFTER THE FACT and then applying them to a game that was released before those patents. Absolute fucking clown shit. Repeal the DMCA and get rid of this stupid fucking kike shit.
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Nintendo is seething so hard at Palworld's success that they're literally making up rules on the spot just to drag Pocketpair through the mud. Is this even allowed? Is the grandfather clause not a thing in Japan?
 
How many warframes use this...
Caliban, Atlus, Nidus, Khora, Eukong, Nekros, Yareli with an augment...
Oh right, you can literally ..summon specters.....
 
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