Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Mysterious Autist XX]

I was watching a video of a zoomer saying that sinnoh is the worst region (fucking lol), and one of the reasons is that he says that Cynthia battle in E4 isn't hard because just ice move garchomp lol.

He was a retarded zoomer and that is alright, but in your opinion, what is the most difficult pokemon battle in official games? (and in romhacks, just for fun)

For proper Gamefreak releases I'm between the Volo gauntlet at the end of PLA, for those who haven't played basically just imagine your usual Cynthia battle and the usual difficulty that comes from that followed by a two round fight against a suped up Giratina with phase 2 being its origin forme, or the Cynthia rematch in BDSP.

I haven't played too many rom hacks, usually I just stick to randomizers or catch em all hacks that enable you to get the entire pokedex in just one game.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

He was a retarded zoomer and that is alright, but in your opinion, what is the most difficult pokemon battle in official games? (and in romhacks, just for fun)

That's a tough question because some of the most difficult trainers are only hard because of the mechanics of their respective generations.

Case in point, Supertrainer Codel from Coliseum.

Spoiler: his team

On first glance, it just looks like a standard gimmick-y Explosion team. Annoying, yes. But nothing too hard, right?

Wrong.

Due to how Gen 3 double battles work, spread-moves don't have their damage reduced, and if one knocks out a pokemon, its replacement gets sent out during the same turn.

Meaning, he has the potential to take out two-thirds of your entire team on the first turn.

Combine all that with his lead Dusclops being immune to Explosion because it's a Ghost-type, that it knows Imprison, and Protect which locks you out of using Protect yourself, that Explosion also halves your defense in this gen so even if you do survive the first one, the second one is almost certainly gonna take you out, that the only Ghost-types in this game are walled by the rest of his team, and his Dusclops can also just deal them, that his 'mons' items are just scummy af, and that you also can't change the order of your team before you face him, and you have a guy who is an absolute nightmare to go up against.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The point is to remove cheap wins from doing retarded shit that exclusively wins because it catches people off guard. If you know what exactly the opponent has, then who wins comes down to a player's skill. Knowing a pokemon's moveset doesn't make a shitty player any more likely to win any more than having six Arceus on their team would.

No that's absolutely horseshit. Especially with knowing every Pokemon moveset, making prediction pointless, you can absolutely know your Pokemon is immune to another rather than the risk of some niche move.

It's literally the "Final Destination ONLY" meme. You can't have fun doing anything that isn't meta since any trick you have will be exposed.

 

[Anonitolia]

Anyone currently hunting any shiny pokémon? I'm currently soft resetting for a Torchic in Ruby.

I've been on-off hunting a Beldum in Emerald (via the Battle Video method) for months now and it is the most tortuous hunt i've ever done. Keep in mind that I've gone dry in the Johto Safari Zone for 24k encounters before finding exactly the shiny I wanted, Smeargle, and having it run away after taunting me with near-captures for 6 turns.
This is worse. This is so much worse.

One full fucking minute for a single reset. Mandatory refreshing of your battle video every 50 SRs (which takes at minimum 5 minutes if you're mashing A hoping for your Battle Factory team to bite the dust against an Illumise or Slugma), the entire hunt being a bust if you forget to play that video one single time before refreshing it, and all this at the expense of your shiny possibly getting a shitty nature that makes it significantly less viable for the Battle Frontier (the only real place you'll get to use it at this point in the game). Not to mention how it relies on very specific frame-related fuckery (even for those not trying to RNG manipulate) for that second half of the resetting so that you only waste 1/10 SRs instead of 10/10 for 20 straight resets.

I've only gotten like 600 encounters done over the course of nearly a year now, it is awful. I wish I had an alternative but I cannot take out a mortgage for another GBA and wireless adapter, nor do the same for a link cable and ESPECIALLY not for another copy of Ruby/Sapphire, and I want my Battle Frontier Beldum to be shiny.

Seriously considering just giving up on this autism and doing a regular hunt in Ruby instead, then waiting a few decades for the obscene retro prices to drop and Link Cable-ing it when I can. Then again, shiny hunting autism demands that I keep going until I find it... sigh lol this hobby is so useless.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

I wish I had an alternative but I cannot take out a mortgage for another GBA and wireless adapter, nor do the same for a link cable and ESPECIALLY not for another copy of Ruby/Sapphire, and I want my Battle Frontier Beldum to be shiny.

Dude. Go work at a fast food joint in the evenings for a couple weeks and you'll still do less work than what you're attempting.

 

[chimpSculpture]

Seriously considering just giving up on this autism and doing a regular hunt in Ruby instead

but your next reset might be shiny

 

[Anonitolia]

but your next reset might be shiny

lol I wish this was just Gambler's Fallacy, that'd be so much easier to walk away from

Probably going to abandon this hunt soon enough anyways. My GBA's been gathering dust for a month and a half now.

 

[Slur.EXE]

Put the BW early opening movies next to each other and the final.

Fuck Trannycord

Forget the Peta shit, this game is about stopping old fucks from putting a king on the America region isn't it?

Spoiler: Take 2 Frames

 

[anliteralidiot]

I'm going for every shiny in PLA, and all perfect entries.

Aipom from shaking trees is going to kill me.

 

[chimpSculpture]

lol I wish this was just Gambler's Fallacy, that'd be so much easier to walk away from

Why not breed it? Am I missing something?

 

[Anonitolia]

Why not breed it? Am I missing something?

I find breeding to be even more awful because it clogs up your boxes and is very very slow. It's especially bad with pseudos; a single Beldum would take ~10,000 steps to hatch. Well over 1 minute. Plus I'd have to grind an extra 4 levels with only Take Down on hand if I wanted to get it up to Battle Frontier standards, and I'd like to cut down on as much grinding as possible since i'm already going to need EV training on top of that.

edit I forgot eggs hatch at level 5 in gen 3 because I do so little breeding
Space concern still stands though, as well as that hatch time. Fuck that lol I'd genuinely rather suffer the BV method

 

[Registration]

Shiny hunting is the definition of autism.

My most difficult battle was the Steven and Wallace battle in Volt White 2. It is a double battle against both of them versus you alone.

You have 6 pokémon, they too. Each one.

It is a 6 x 12 battle. Totally not fair and my team wasn't totally equipped to deal with it since metagross would easily kill my pokemon

 

[chimpSculpture]

Shiny hunting is the definition of autism.

It's super autistic.

But really I see the main draw of these games to be collecting, and shiny pokémon are the rarest thing you can reasonably get. If you just want shiny pokémon fast then play anything after Black or White. The methods in those games are super quick and even have guaranteed perfect IVs and increased odds of hidden abilities.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Shiny

I've played 'mons games off and on since Gen 1, and since then I have only seen a wild shiny once or twice*: a green Zubat or Golbat.

* (aside from the red Gyarados that doesn't count here)

 

[Quiet Guy]

I've been on-off hunting a Beldum in Emerald (via the Battle Video method) for months now and it is the most tortuous hunt i've ever done. Keep in mind that I've gone dry in the Johto Safari Zone for 24k encounters before finding exactly the shiny I wanted, Smeargle, and having it run away after taunting me with near-captures for 6 turns.
This is worse. This is so much worse.

One full fucking minute for a single reset. Mandatory refreshing of your battle video every 50 SRs (which takes at minimum 5 minutes if you're mashing A hoping for your Battle Factory team to bite the dust against an Illumise or Slugma), the entire hunt being a bust if you forget to play that video one single time before refreshing it, and all this at the expense of your shiny possibly getting a shitty nature that makes it significantly less viable for the Battle Frontier (the only real place you'll get to use it at this point in the game). Not to mention how it relies on very specific frame-related fuckery (even for those not trying to RNG manipulate) for that second half of the resetting so that you only waste 1/10 SRs instead of 10/10 for 20 straight resets.

I've only gotten like 600 encounters done over the course of nearly a year now, it is awful. I wish I had an alternative but I cannot take out a mortgage for another GBA and wireless adapter, nor do the same for a link cable and ESPECIALLY not for another copy of Ruby/Sapphire, and I want my Battle Frontier Beldum to be shiny.

Seriously considering just giving up on this autism and doing a regular hunt in Ruby instead, then waiting a few decades for the obscene retro prices to drop and Link Cable-ing it when I can. Then again, shiny hunting autism demands that I keep going until I find it... sigh lol this hobby is so useless.

I'm not familiar with this method, so maybe I'm missing something, but why not just breed it if it's giving you so much trouble? You mentioned RNG manipulation, but wouldn't that allow you to select for nature, and for that matter, wouldn't RNG manipulation be simpler with breeding than whatever it is you're doing here?

 

[Squawking Macaw]

The Teraleak google drive is no longer being updated, it doesn't have anything from SwSh and SV. Does anyone know where to get those leaks?

Anyone currently hunting any shiny pokémon? I'm currently soft resetting for a Torchic in Ruby.

I don't shiny hunt anymore, but I used to be a massive shiny autist back in the gen 6 days. I'd spend way too many afternoons soft-resetting for shiny legendaries in ORAS and USUM and I've got a box full of them to show for it.
I've even got the shiny Celebi from VC Crystal which is the only 1/8192 hunt I had the guts to do. Aside from that one, I've only had 2 other 1/8192 shinies, a Mincinno in Pokemon White when I was a kid, and recently a Charizard in a HG randomizer nuzlocke (which I proceeded to lose to Falkner lol).

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

The Teraleak google drive is no longer being updated, it doesn't have anything from SwSh and SV. Does anyone know where to get those leaks?


I don't shiny hunt anymore, but I used to be a massive shiny autist back in the gen 6 days. I'd spend way too many afternoons soft-resetting for shiny legendaries in ORAS and USUM and I've got a box full of them to show for it.
I've even got the shiny Celebi from VC Crystal which is the only 1/8192 hunt I had the guts to do. Aside from that one, I've only had 2 other 1/8192 shinies, a Mincinno in Pokemon White when I was a kid, and recently a Charizard in a HG randomizer nuzlocke (which I proceeded to lose to Falkner lol).
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I caught a shiny Buneary on Platinum back in the day. Other than that, a shiny Zubat on an emulated HeartGold nuzlocke.

 

[chimpSculpture]

I'm not familiar with this method, so maybe I'm missing something, but why not just breed it if it's giving you so much trouble? You mentioned RNG manipulation, but wouldn't that allow you to select for nature, and for that matter, wouldn't RNG manipulation be simpler with breeding than whatever it is you're doing here?

He's not really using RNG manipulation, RNG manipulation is when you can predict what Pokémon will appear in an encounter on a specific frame and aim to get the encounter on that specific desired frame.

Emerald's RNG is different to all other generation 3 games. The RNG in other generation 3 games will continue to generate new seeds every frame and even when soft-resetting. Emerald still generates new values every frame but when soft-resetting it will always reset to the same number. The seed on the frame an encounter starts is used to generate that encounter's Pokémon, so because Emerald's RNG is consistently the same on specific frames it means that if you get an encounter on, say, the 984th frame since the save loaded. Then soft-reset and happen to encounter another Pokémon on that exact same 984th frame then you'd get the exact same Pokémon. It's level, IVs and even if it was shiny or not would be the same. If you're soft-resetting like @Anonitolia is for the Beldum then the same few frames are probably going to be hit over and over again.

The Battle Video method is sort of a work-around that moves the goal post, when playing a battle video the RNG's seed will be set to the seed that the battle in the video started in. So the idea is that you can soft-reset, quickly playback the battle video, then immediately quit from the video to do your encounter. Eventually you need to re-record a new battle video after you've exhausted every frame you're likely to hit. Everyone just assumes that's after 30-60 resets.

 

[Quiet Guy]

He's not really using RNG manipulation, RNG manipulation is when you can predict what Pokémon will appear in an encounter on a specific frame and aim to get the encounter on that specific desired frame.

Emerald's RNG is different to all other generation 3 games. The RNG in other generation 3 games will continue to generate new seeds every frame and even when soft-resetting. Emerald still generates new values every frame but when soft-resetting it will always reset to the same number. The seed on the frame an encounter starts is used to generate that encounter's Pokémon, so because Emerald's RNG is consistently the same on specific frames it means that if you get an encounter on, say, the 984th frame since the save loaded. Then soft-reset and happen to encounter another Pokémon on that exact same 984th frame then you'd get the exact same Pokémon. It's level, IVs and even if it was shiny or not would be the same. If you're soft-resetting like @Anonitolia is for the Beldum then the same few frames are probably going to be hit over and over again.

The Battle Video method is sort of a work-around that moves the goal post, when playing a battle video the RNG's seed will be set to the seed that the battle in the video started in. So the idea is that you can soft-reset, quickly playback the battle video, then immediately quit from the video to do your encounter. Eventually you need to re-record a new battle video after you've exhausted every frame you're likely to hit. Everyone just assumes that's after 30-60 resets.

Could he not still just breed the Beldum? It would eventually just move to new frames if he breeds them long enough, right?

@Anonitolia does this help? https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1311&_nkw=link+cable+gba&_sacat=0

 

[Anonitolia]

@Anonitolia does this help? https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1311&_nkw=link+cable+gba&_sacat=0

I appreciate the offer, but the problem isn't the link cable's price so much as it is the second GBA and the games'.

Could he not still just breed the Beldum? It would eventually just move to new frames if he breeds them long enough, right?

referring you to this:

I find breeding to be even more awful because it clogs up your boxes and is very very slow. It's especially bad with pseudos; a single Beldum would take ~10,000 steps to hatch. Well over 1 minute. Plus I'd have to grind an extra 4 levels with only Take Down on hand if I wanted to get it up to Battle Frontier standards, and I'd like to cut down on as much grinding as possible since i'm already going to need EV training on top of that.

I'd really rather not.

it doesn't have anything from SwSh and SV

It's got a SV beta up now that was added last night.

Regardless of that thing's downloadable status, there's always the download rentry.