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Welp, it finally happened - Nintendo and Gamefreak have a lolsuit against the Palworld Devs.

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Nintendo and The Pokémon Company have filed a patent infringement lawsuit against Pocketpair, which makes the game Palworld.
From Nintendo’s press release:
Nintendo Co., Ltd. (HQ: Kyoto, Minami-ku, Japan; Representative Director and President: Shuntaro Furukawa, “Nintendo” hereafter), together with The Pokémon Company, filed a patent infringement lawsuit in the Tokyo District Court against Pocketpair, Inc. (HQ: 2-10-2 Higashigotanda, Shinagawa-ku, Tokyo, “Defendant” hereafter) on September 18, 2024.
This lawsuit seeks an injunction against infringement and compensation for damages on the grounds that Palworld, a game developed and released by the Defendant, infringes multiple patent rights.
Pocketpair didn’t immediately reply to a request for comment.
Palworld, which is still in early access, became one of the first big gaming hits of 2024 when it launched in January, selling more than five million copies in three days.
The survival / crafting game, which has been described as “Pokémon with guns,” has your character working with monsters (“Pals”). But some of Palworld’s monster designs are remarkably similar to pokémon, and people almost immediately called out Palworld for the apparent ripoffs.

This feels incredibly late by Nintendo Lawfare standards. How long’s Palworld been available now?
 
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The Pokémon TCG dropped its Stellar Crown set last week and I've been playing around with it on Live.

Sa far its effects on the meta is interesting. Origin Forme Palkia VSTAR might be coming back due to Terapagos ex (has an attack similar to Palkia VTSTAR's but does damage based on how many Benched Pokémon you have), Area Zero Underdepths (boosts the amount of Benched Pokémon a player can have from 5 to 8 if they have a Tera Pokémon in play), Noctowl (has an Ability that lets you search your deck for 2 Trainer cards and put them into your hand if you have a Tera Pokémon ), and Glass Trumpet (lets you attach an Energy from your discard to up to 2 of your Benched Colorless Pokémon).
Welp, it finally happened - Nintendo and Gamefreak have a lolsuit against the Palworld Devs.

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I had a feeling this would happen eventually but I'm surprised its due being labeled as patent infringement rather than one based around copyright given that the biggest complaint surrounding Palworld was that some of the Pals were too close to Pokémon design-wise. I wonder what PocketPair did to set that alarm off?
 
This feels incredibly late by Nintendo Lawfare standards. How long’s Palworld been available now?
My thoughts in the palworld thread is basically "this has been going on for so longit shouldn't even have any legal ground to stand on as a case".

where the fuck were nintendo's lawyers when every fucking company ever was doing pokemon inspired game designs or pokemon clones during the 90s-2000s huh? There's a FUCKING ANIMORPHS ONE.
ANIMORPHS IS NOT A LICENSE YOU WOULD LOOK AT AND GO "HMM YEAH, POKEMON!" BUT NO IT'S POKEMON. THE STINKIEST KNOCKOFF IMAGINABLE. DID THAT ONE "JUST GET A PASS JUST BECAUSE IT WAS GAMEBOY"? OK WHAT ABOUT THE MILLIONS OF NON NINTENDO CONSOLE GAMES THAT ARE POKEMON CLONES THEN?
WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOUR LAWYERS NINTENDO?
 
I’m looking to see if there’s a romhack out there yet that just piles every single QOL hack into one game. Radical Red and Elite Redux come close with essentially Showdown levels of ease-of-team building. Has there been one that goes even further? Maybe one that’s not gen 3?
I wish. Hackrom autists are autists and they hate that people would use their "inventions" in other games and not let it be open sources, so lots of functions are absent from other games that could've be. We could've had the best pokemon emerald ever made, but not in this situation.

Welp, it finally happened - Nintendo and Gamefreak have a lolsuit against the Palworld Devs.

To save you all giving The Verge a click


This feels incredibly late by Nintendo Lawfare standards. How long’s Palworld been available now?
I fucking hate patents so much, it is literally making people lives worse for money. Instead of sharing it to achieve better results, you just sit on it and doesn't help anyone other than you. Game patents are even worse: check this out:

"A game system, a game method, and a game program, which allow the user to enjoy a game with peace of mind even if a bias is provided in predetermined parameters. The game system is configured to acquire, as available environment information indicating an available environment for a game to be executed on a user terminal used by the user, information indicating a type of an operating system (OS); and determine a parameter to be used to provide a content to the user each time the user performs an input operation on the basis of the information indicating the type of the OS associated with the user at the time of the input operation."

This is what the PC patent says. what THE FUCK does it even mean
 
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The future of pokemon looks so bright.
Season 2 from what I heard tried to fix season 1, but people still hate Lyko and her shitty, gay Pokemon. After nearly 2 years of SV-related content, Paldea is still the least liked region.
I find this odd, because you're not wrong... but I started with 5, finished Black all the way through, then played through both Y and X fully (and can remember doing so with clarity) before Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby... only to greatly prefer Emerald to all of ORAS, have little-to-no affection for Kalos outside of its shockingly useful Nuzlocke setup, and rank every single Unova game behind the original 3 Hoenn ones.

Most of the people I know who like the series are similar. One friend played through Gold all the way through, his favorite is Ruby. Another started with Sun and his favorite is Pearl.
For casual players, your theory mostly holds true. Whatever generation they started with, whatever region they played through first, is probably their favorite. (Relevant: View attachment 6426550)
But does this still apply to hardcores? :thinking:
I started with Red/Blue, but I prefer Gen 3 and 4.

After 2030 we'll start seeing 3-hour Youtube videoessays like "The Hidden Genius of Sword and Shield", "Pokemon Sword and Shield: a Retrospective", or "Was Scarlet and Violet That Bad?" made by 20-year-olds who are too nostalgic for these games to acknowledge their flaws. Mark my words.
I doubt anybody will defend SV unless ZA and Gen 10 will be worse than SV. Bottle caps were the only good things about SV, and that's not enough to defend the rest of those turds.
 
Yeah, there's no deeper truth to it, the people who grew up with the games are just sentient enough to defend them now. This happened with Gen 3 in the exact same way and it might happen with XY onwards, though I kind of doubt it since even now a lot of the Kalos fans get laughed at for even trying (especially interesting because, given XY's release dates, now should be peak XY defense force hours). Maybe Z-A will change that, who knows, but I doubt that the objectively worse games will get nearly as much reappraisal as the simply controversial ones. The most you see about XY these days is the same lamenting of their lost potential that's been going on for over a decade now, alongside wishing for megas to come back (also an ongoing thing, since at least 2019 but arguably 2016). (Before you stop me, yes you can argue that BW are inferior to HGSS on an "objective" level, and even saying "objective" here is tenuous given that we're talking about the quality of video games and not the workings of the universe, but come on. Dexit is a much bigger deal than a lack of following Pokémon, or even a postgame region.)

What I'm really interested in are the Alola games. Those were relatively well-received on their release and haven't been shat on much since (at least not in the same ways as what came after, or even before it) and I have a feeling that their reputation is just going to deteriorate as time goes on. What they introduced started as a breath of fresh air from the Pokémon formula but just became a newer, more generic Pokémon formula and I think people will connect a lot of those dots to Sun/Moon and sour on those games as consequence. Hell, I'm already seeing a lot of that bitterness now when people reflect on the Zygarde sidequest (due to Z-A) or bring up the way they handle third versions. Competitive autists have always been bitter because of Incineroar, they don't count.
The entire fandom isn't going to turn on it or anything, but I think those games will end up having a core set of autists that defend them to the death while the rest of the fandom either doesn't care or doesn't like them.

XY and the Gen 7 games also had some missing features, that people have noticed later on, years after the game was released. As mentioned earlier, the Gen 7 games didn't have dex entries for Pokémon not in the Alolan dex, and there isn't an option in the PC to check your Hall of Fame teams, as it was replaced by a guy that stands outside of the League entrance, that says the first team that you beat the game with, and the team that you last defended your Alolan title. I remember a quote from a YouTuber that summed up this in a nutshell: "X & Y, the ending was unfinished. Sun & Moon, the last third of the game was unfinished."

And the Gen 7 games downgraded the Player Search System, which was THE best implementation of the multiplayer system in the games, was replaced with the Temu version of it in the Festival Plaza. Roto-Loto in USUM was also the Temu version of the O-Powers in Gen 6.

XY and the Gen 7 games had good aesthetics for the regions that they were based on, and the game UIs were better than the Switch game UIs, which will probably be enough for some people to defend those games. HMs not being needed to navigate the world in the Gen 7 games also is enough for people to defend those games.

Some people really didn't like how USUM weren't actual sequels to SM, but a "retelling", since Lusamine's role in the story got butchered heavily in USUM.

I fucking hate patents so much, it is literally making people lives worse for money. Instead of sharing it to achieve better results, you just sit on it and doesn't help anyone other than you. Game patents are even worse: check this out:

"A game system, a game method, and a game program, which allow the user to enjoy a game with peace of mind even if a bias is provided in predetermined parameters. The game system is configured to acquire, as available environment information indicating an available environment for a game to be executed on a user terminal used by the user, information indicating a type of an operating system (OS); and determine a parameter to be used to provide a content to the user each time the user performs an input operation on the basis of the information indicating the type of the OS associated with the user at the time of the input operation."

This is what the PC patent says. what THE FUCK does it even mean

This patent shit almost makes China's flagrant disregard for copyright almost defendable, if they weren't a totalitarian state that makes the lives of their citizens hell, to keep the CCP and its members pampered.
 
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Aah I just remembered this since we are talking about patents and copyright in relation to pikemon. There is this game called Tibia, a MMORPG that is almost 30 years old and lots of games and private servers spawned from it over the years.

One of these games are a mix of the Tibia and Pokemon, something called PokeXGames or Poketibia.

I never heard anyone talking about it in english youtube so it was quite hard to found some videos since most of it is in portuguese or spanish. It is something that is big but not big enough to be on nintendo radar, bit enough for people to put real money on it and make money for the dev team through premium account, coins and so on.


Have you ever heard of it? I knew of it but never played, but I remember watching some videos of the same idea with One Piece instead and it was quite cool to see the world being interpreted in a different lens of gameplay.

 
The idea that Nintendo owns the concept of catching monsters in throwable items is so insane that this lolsuit cant be anything other than an attempt to specifically hurt PocketPair.
 
This feels incredibly late by Nintendo Lawfare standards. How long’s Palworld been available now?
I think they went after Glazed something like 12 years after its initial release, so this may also be incredibly timely by their standards.

I wish. Hackrom autists are autists and they hate that people would use their "inventions" in other games and not let it be open sources, so lots of functions are absent from other games that could've be. We could've had the best pokemon emerald ever made, but not in this situation.
I’m surprised anyone was able to nail down the Fire Red Enhancement Project, or whatever it’s called, that’s been the basis for 11,000,000 FR romhacks since. If only some of the autists that have left romhacking for full-on development jobs could shake a few open sourced tidbits loose…
 
This happened with Gen 3 in the exact same way and it might happen with XY onwards
what were the criticisms of Gen 3? the running shoes and multiple bikes, evil teams, good story, actual parents, challenging endgame content, natures, hidden bases, multiple berries, non annoying way to get special pokeballs, and poke contests were all massive improvement over Gen 1+2 plus with the gamecube games and remakes it was absurdly easy to get the full Dex.
 
what were the criticisms of Gen 3? the running shoes and multiple bikes, evil teams, good story, actual parents, challenging endgame content, natures, hidden bases, multiple berries, non annoying way to get special pokeballs, and poke contests were all massive improvement over Gen 1+2 plus with the gamecube games and remakes it was absurdly easy to get the full Dex.
People were really upset about the inability to transfer from 2 to 3 back in the day. It was baby's first dexit. Tedious TM usage and type diversity in the Hoenn dext were also common complaints.
 
This feels incredibly late by Nintendo Lawfare standards. How long’s Palworld been available now?
I don't get what Nintendo's trying to do here from a business standpoint. Either strike right after release or don't strike at all, and wait for it to fall into irrelevancy like all Pokeclones do. It was already starting to lose steam, when was the last time you heard of Palworld? They're gonna Streisand it all over again.

XY and the Gen 7 games also had some missing features, that people have noticed later on, years after the game was released. As mentioned earlier, the Gen 7 games didn't have dex entries for Pokémon not in the Alolan dex, and there isn't an option in the PC to check your Hall of Fame teams, as it was replaced by a guy that stands outside of the League entrance, that says the first team that you beat the game with, and the team that you last defended your Alolan title. I remember a quote from a YouTuber that summed up this in a nutshell: "X & Y, the ending was unfinished. Sun & Moon, the last third of the game was unfinished."

And the Gen 7 games downgraded the Player Search System, which was THE best implementation of the multiplayer system in the games, was replaced with the Temu version of it in the Festival Plaza. Roto-Loto in USUM was also the Temu version of the O-Powers in Gen 6.

XY and the Gen 7 games had good aesthetics for the regions that they were based on, and the game UIs were better than the Switch game UIs, which will probably be enough for some people to defend those games. HMs not being needed to navigate the world in the Gen 7 games also is enough for people to defend those games.

Some people really didn't like how USUM weren't actual sequels to SM, but a "retelling", since Lusamine's role in the story got butchered heavily in USUM.
Funnily enough, when I first played those games I made a document where I wrote my thoughts and I noticed the E4 thing:
"This Generation’s E4 challenge is a joke. The challengers you have to defend your title from only have 5 Pokémon, you get back at Mount Lanakila for winning instead of your own house, the Hall Of Fame records are saved by some dude that only lists the first and last challenges, and he only tells the species names of the Pokémon used, with no other information other generations have like moves or nicknames."

Alola suffered a death from a thousand cuts. On the surface it's a perfectly serviceable game, especially to people who don't play Pokemon games too often, but the deeper you go the more you notice all the missing features and odd design choices.

It's the tiny things, like those you mentioned, and all these I remember off the top of my head: there being less special wallpapers, trainer classes no longer having unique encounter themes, Game Freak spitefully giving megas horrifying dex entries, Lillie's heartfelt moment in Poni island in SM being replaced with some Exeggutor sidequest in USUM, Ultra Hallway, triple and rotation battles being removed because Game Freak can't optimize their games to save their lives, the tutorial lasting half the damn game, the ride theme being vastly inferior to the route music it replaces, the routes being mostly straight lines, the player character smiling blankly in every cutscene, the robotic animations during cutscenes that rival the setpieces in Skyrim. By the end of this laundry list it's not tiny at all.

Oh, and the Rotom dex is an annoying fucker who deserves to be punted into next week, you can't use the map or his retarded Roto-Loto while he's giving you advice you didn't ask for, which he does so every fucking time you open the menu or click on the map. Do you know how many times I tried clicking his eyes, misclicked and opened the map, and had to sit through his stupid fucking dialogue to finally click the Loto?

what were the criticisms of Gen 3?
It's not so much how it ended but how it started. Ruby and Sapphire were the first attempt at a franchise reboot, complete with a Dexit. Game Freak later backed down from this by releasing Kanto remakes to make all Pokemon catchable, but their original intent was to start anew. And then there was also the fact that the latter half of the game is just running away from Wingull and Tentacool.
 
Welp, it finally happened - Nintendo and Gamefreak have a lolsuit against the Palworld Devs.

To save you all giving The Verge a click
There’s one thing we can conclude from this: Game Freak is really fucking butthurt that someone made a better monster game than them. That’s the common thread among rom hacks they take down.
Pocketpair’s response is the best, basically “sorry we have to waste our time and resources with legal concerns instead of making a game that people enjoy”.
This feels incredibly late by Nintendo Lawfare standards. How long’s Palworld been available now?
They wanted to wait until soon before the Switch 2 announcement so everyone will sweep this under the rug.
 
what were the criticisms of Gen 3?
People meme up the "Too Much Water" thing, but it's still valid. That is a TON of mapspace with nothing interesting going on and the stuff that is interesting is a pain to reach because the surfing mechanic sucks balls. Tons of wasted potential.

Would have been better if they'd just gone for differentiated surfing tiles that don't cause random encounters and added less boring looking points of interest.
 
I don't get what Nintendo's trying to do here from a business standpoint. Either strike right after release or don't strike at all, and wait for it to fall into irrelevancy like all Pokeclones do. It was already starting to lose steam, when was the last time you heard of Palworld? They're gonna Streisand it all over again.
The only thing I can think of that’d make any sense - and it’s Japanese copyright law, so that’s already a losing battle - , AND isn’t just a case of Nintendo/Game Freak being INCREDIBLY petty, is that whatever Nintendo’s Legal Team was looking into when repeatedly asked by dipshits on Twitter back at the height of Palworld’s Hype was just Patent Infringement, and this is just the standard cookie cutter shit they have to send out.

Realistically, yes I do believe Nintendo/Game Freak ARE, in fact, this petty, and this is just a lolsuit invoking Streisand…
 
People meme up the "Too Much Water" thing, but it's still valid. That is a TON of mapspace with nothing interesting going on and the stuff that is interesting is a pain to reach because the surfing mechanic sucks balls. Tons of wasted potential.

Would have been better if they'd just gone for differentiated surfing tiles that don't cause random encounters and added less boring looking points of interest.
I've never thought that the water was bad, but the barebones ocean with those rocks were. And the wild enconters being mostly winguls and tentacools fucking sucked.

Emerald seaglass changed it by adding some small islands with green patches with wild pokemon and some trainers. Just adding small stuff to the map helps a bunch to break the big sea of just ocean routes.

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I've never thought that the water was bad, but the barebones ocean with those rocks were. And the wild enconters being mostly winguls and tentacools fucking sucked.

Emerald seaglass changed it by adding some small islands with green patches with wild pokemon and some trainers. Just adding small stuff to the map helps a bunch to break the big sea of just ocean routes.

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Several questions:
- Are there still general surfing encounters?
- Is starting surfing still a break in your movement?
 
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