Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[30+GameOvers]

Everything was always on the table. GF has always binned stuff when they think of something better, regardless if whether it is or not.

Thing is that PKRUS is something that has been around since Gen 2. By now it's a staple, that's like GF removing shinies, genders(for Pokemon, they already did this for players) or natures. It's a scary precedent, they almost did this with Ribbons in Gen 5 but they walked it back for Gens 6 onwards.
Speaking of which, Bulbapedia says that even tho it doesn't appear in S/V or has any noticable effects, the game still tracks PKRUS. That means that if your Pokemon still has it from previous gens and it is transferred over to Gen 9, and then to a future game that brings it back, you will still have PKRUS on your Pokemon. They didn't actually "remove it" per say as much as hidden it.
Still, very strange. It would take less effort to just ignore it and not do anything with it than do all this, it means they intentionally wanted to remove it but kept it around within the code just in case they changed their minds. Remember, old Pokemon are just straight up gone, not in the code anymore, and neither are the moves, but PKRUS is still technically in the game, just hidden and useless(kinda like when you get Coronavirus and you barely know it's there unless you are informed of it or you die from an unrelated death and the medics put COVID-19 as a cause of death).

 

[6MillionCoofs]

They didn't actually "remove it" per say as much as hidden it.

Oh yeah. That’s the real strange things about all the ‘removed’ stuff. It’s never actually gone. It’s all there in the code, it’s just blocked.

Which makes it feel like it’s often, we don’t want to use this feature going foward but people would find it strange if it worked with all the older stuff so block it.

But it always comes across as confusing as you note.

(kinda like when you get Coronavirus and you barely know it's there unless you are informed of it or you die from an unrelated death and the medics put COVID-19 as a cause of death).

Inb4 it was removed due to coof lol.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Oh yeah. That’s the real strange things about all the ‘removed’ stuff. It’s never actually gone. It’s all there in the code, it’s just blocked.

Oh no, the old moves and Pokemon are just straight up gone in Gen 8 and 9. That's the problem, if they kept everything unchanged but let you transfer Pokemon not found in the game or with moves not found in the game, nobody would have a problem with smaller Pokedex or maybe even the DLCs.

Inb4 it was removed due to coof lol.

It probably was, but the fact they didn't remove the code outright means they either don't know how(which would not surprised me with these hacks) or are having second thoughts and want to potentially include it in a future game, just like they thought about removing Ribbons and not giving you any new ones in Gen 5 but they still kept the code and ended up walking the whole thing back by Gen 6.

 

[Archeops]

Thing is that PKRUS is something that has been around since Gen 2. By now it's a staple, that's like GF removing shinies, genders(for Pokemon, they already did this for players) or natures. It's a scary precedent, they almost did this with Ribbons in Gen 5 but they walked it back for Gens 6 onwards.
Speaking of which, Bulbapedia says that even tho it doesn't appear in S/V or has any noticable effects, the game still tracks PKRUS. That means that if your Pokemon still has it from previous gens and it is transferred over to Gen 9, and then to a future game that brings it back, you will still have them. They didn't actually "remove it" per say as much as hidden it.
Still, very strange. It would take less effort to just ignore it and not do anything with it than do all this, it means they intentionally wanted to remove it but kept it around within the code just in case they changed their minds. Remember, old Pokemon are just straight up gone, not in the code anymore, and neither are the moves, but PKRUS is still technically in the game, just hidden and useless(kinda like when you get Coronavirus and you barely know it's there unless you are informed of it or you die from an unrelated death and the medics put COVID-19 as a cause of death).

SV probably tracks Pokérus internally (despite it not generating naturally in-game) to prevent any sort of funkiness with SWSH, it's worth remembering that SWSH-SV transfers goes both ways. I guess we'll have to wait for a main line Gen 10 game to see if that data remains.

I could see it getting removed in the future though, you have 4 strains of Pokérus (which are broken up by 16 different X values with two being inaccessible due to RNG shenanigans, one of those inaccessible X values is also bugged) with the only difference is how long each strain lasts.

Inb4 it was removed due to coof lol.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was, SV was in development when the lockdowns and WFH orders came into place. And I strongly suspect that the working conditions brought on by them led to SV being the unoptimized jank it is today.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

(which would not surprised me with these hacks)

Well when you consider the people who wrote the code likely got promoted out of writing code would not surprise me if there’s lots of stuff just kept there because removing it could end up breaking something because for some reason something else more important looks at it for some reason.

 

[30+GameOvers]

which are broken up by 16 different X values with two being inaccessible due to RNG shenanigans, one of those inaccessible X values is also bugged

why am I not surprised that something about a Pokemon game is broken?
is there a good article on video on this, I am curious now

 

[6MillionCoofs]

@Archeops
Indeed. It’s why I’m interested to see how PLZA goes and Gen X because it’s clear there was dev issues with SV and considering the conditions it was made under…I’m not surprised.

Covid was hell for Game Dev.

why am I not surprised that something about a Pokemon game is broken?

Cause it’s Pokemon. Heck G/S are known because Iwata was somehow able to work magic to get Kanto in and not have the game fall over.

Pokemon is known for somehow working inspite of everything.

 

[Helghandidnothingwrong]

Covid was hell for Game Dev.

Not really. You're sitting indoors on a computer all day anyway and most developer repositories can be accessed remotely by developers these days. Also most modern game engines also support this as a selling point like Unreal Engine does with remote collaboration.

The more vocal ones were either because they lost their jobs over the militant pushing for the jab or just being the typical faggot drama queen over Twitter as usual. Anyone that unironically says this shit and works in gamedev were just using covid as a socially acceptable excuse to not get any work done and ban people on discord all day and only got the job through sheer nepotism. Fortunately most companies cut these retards loose after COVID and that's how we got the likes of the MCC being fixed like it was in short order.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

On a happier note I have been playing Pokemon Clover and I'm having a blast! While I'm not happy with the halved shiny odds I don't think I've ever had so much fun losing battles in a game.

Spoiler: Team So Far...

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That remInds me, i need to finish my game. I left off at the poison gym and haven't touched it in about a year. I used the water starter

 

[Archeops]

The dates and venue for this year’s Pokémon World Championship were revealed EUIC’s closing ceremony, the tournament will be held between August 16th and 18th at Hawaii Convention Center in Honolulu.

why am I not surprised that something about a Pokemon game is broken?
is there a good article on video on this, I am curious now

It’s mentioned in the Bulba article on Pokérus, the RNG isn’t permitted to generate X values of 8 and 0 for Pokérus. As far as the bug’s concerned it’s how Pokérus with an X value of 0 behaves once it’s cured from a Pokémon, it appears as if it was never infected to begin with.

@Archeops
Indeed. It’s why I’m interested to see how PLZA goes and Gen X because it’s clear there was dev issues with SV and considering the conditions it was made under…I’m not surprised.

I’m not expecting PLZA to have Pokérus either. PLA didn’t have it generate on wild Pokémon, let Pokémon spread it to others in the party or clear up despite being present in the game’s code and boost the amount of EVs gained in battles.

Covid was hell for Game Dev.

Not really. You're sitting indoors on a computer all day anyway and most developer repositories can be accessed remotely by developers these days. Also most modern game engines also support this as a selling point like Unreal Engine does with remote collaboration.

The more vocal ones were either because they lost their jobs over the militant pushing for the jab or just being the typical faggot drama queen over Twitter as usual. Anyone that unironically says this shit and works in gamedev were just using covid as a socially acceptable excuse to not get any work done and ban people on discord all day and only got the job through sheer nepotism. Fortunately most companies cut these retards loose after COVID and that's how we got the likes of the MCC being fixed like it was in short order.

Sakurai actually goes into detail how the COVID-induced WFH situation affected the development of SSBU’s Fighters Pass 2 on his YouTube channel.

Mind you that Sora Ltd., Namco-Bandai, and several other studios were involved with this. Just imagine how fucked up it got for Game Freak and The Pokémon Company.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Well, I'm getting the server errors for Bank too. I'm trying to get every game a little bit of Wonder Trading and some of them have so much Pokemon I simply have to deposit some. I forgot how much breeding and trading for competitively viable Pokemon I did on my main save file back in the day.
Gee, if only there was another game I could transfer some of these into. I guess not, they will simply rot away unless I decide to come back to the Battle Tree again.

Edit: I've gotten the bank to work, and I must say Ultra games are giving me a whole lot better stuff than the vanilla S/M. On the latter, you would usually get just random Pokemon people caught or breedjects, where as in Ultras you have Japanese tripping over to give you apriball mon and competitively viable starters with HAs. I've even gotten a few trade only evos, including one that needs an item to evolve and it was holding it during the trade. Either I am just getting luckier or the Ultra servers have all the OGs who have been grinding away at this game for years, giving their collections away since may of these Pokemon have been hatched years ago.
Good haul if you still own Ultra games, I suggest you dig them out and get em while they last.

 

[Archeops]

Good haul if you still own Ultra games, I suggest you dig them out and get em while they last.

Good thing I still have my various DS/3DS Pokémon games on-hand, here’s what I’ve got…

• Pearl
• Diamond
• Platinum
• SoulSilver
• Black
• White (JPN)
• Black 2
• White 2 (ENG & JPN)
• X
• Y (2x, I believe one is in Japanese and another in French)
• Omega Ruby
• Sun
• Moon (in Japanese)
• Ultra Moon

I could’ve sworn I had a copy of HeartGold somewhere but I guess I’ll have to use homebrew to run that, I’m also running Alpha Sapphire and Ultra Sun via homebrew as well.

 

[McMitch]

Cause it’s Pokemon. Heck G/S are known because Iwata was somehow able to work magic to get Kanto in and not have the game fall over.

Kanto didn’t happen because of Iwata. He overhauled their compression algorithm which is why battles take less than a second to load.

 

[Archeops]

I had a bit of a mini-heart attack just now, I completely forgot to set up an NNID, download Pokémon Bank, and download Poké Transporter onto my homebrew-equipped 3DS. Thankfully I managed to set it up without issue. Now I have an extra 100 boxes of storage for 3DS-era Pokémon until Bank craps out.

The only thing that makes me worried is that it didn’t detect my downloaded copy of AS but I think that’s due to it not having a save file.

I’m also in the process of downloading PKSM onto that 3DS as well.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Now I have an extra 100 boxes of storage for 3DS-era Pokémon until Bank craps out.

Being limited to only 30 boxes or there abouts for most games is honestly frustrating.

It’s why I wish there was mass auto egg hatching as Shiny Egg Hunting is just a pain if you also want to complete a whole Dex in game. Not enough space for all the eggs.

The only thing that makes me worried is that it didn’t detect my downloaded copy of AS but I think that’s due to it not having a save file.

Yeah. It needs a game save for you to select and work with the game in bank.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Currently wonder trading for the last time in ORAS and USUM. Feels sad to see it go, but it was fun while it lasted.

 

[30+GameOvers]

It's crazy that we are hours away from the final shutdown, and yet aside from the wi-fi general there is only one thread talking about it on /vp/ with barely any replies

If I didn't know or remember about the date, I wouldn't even know anything was going on right now. If there was any proof /vp/ doesn't actually play the games, this is it. The threads are all coom, one note/zero effort OP or generals.

Spoiler: Catalog right now

Oh well, their loss. I'm getting quite a load, including the coveted Intimidate Fake Out Litten/Incineraoar that was fucking everywhere back in the heyday of SM competitive. I'm certainly not going to feel any regrets once the servers are dead, aside from that Wonder Nuzlocke I mentioned. Even then, I have enough boxes filled with WT Pokemon that I am thinking I will leave alone as is for now. I will still go thru with it, but when I catch a wild Pokemon, I will use a random number generator and fish one of the random Pokemon out and replace it with the one I caught. This is not perfect, nor is it truly as chaotic as it would be if I didn't know what I was getting, but it's the next best thing. I really need to get a jailbroken 3DS to get my hands on PKSM, I'm guessing Bank doesn't have long to live either.

 

[Archeops]

Remember how I was bitching about there not being any sort of event server for 3DS games?

Well I’m past that, I downloaded PKSM and I’m really glad to see that it has a Wonder Card library that you can put into your games without issue along with other benefits.

Being limited to only 30 boxes or there abouts for most games is honestly frustrating.

It’s why I wish there was mass auto egg hatching as Shiny Egg Hunting is just a pain if you also want to complete a whole Dex in game. Not enough space for all the eggs.

Yeah. It needs a game save for you to select and work with the game in bank.

I’m honestly disappointed that HOME didn’t boost the amount of boxes you get for their free and premium plans when they announced that the 3DS/Wii U servers were going down, I know Bank will at least be usable for a while but I don’t like that TPC said to transfer your Pokémon sooner rather than later.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I’m honestly disappointed that HOME didn’t boost the amount of boxes you get for their free and premium plans when they announced that the 3DS/Wii U servers were going down,

The fact there you don’t just get about 5 or so for free so you can at least transfer over a Regional Dex worth of mons simply and cleanly makes me sad.

I think you should be able to carry with you one game worth of mons for free.

but I don’t like that TPC said to transfer your Pokémon sooner rather than later.

It means everyone is not doing it all at once with several hours left on the clock and they likely don’t know how long it will be up for. If it was a few months or a year they would have given a date. But there is no date to give yet. They could have said a few years, but that’s comitting and people will complain if plans change and keep badgering them for an answer to how much is a few. And they’d still bitch when the clock was close to midnight.

Honestly saying ‘up for the time being, no plans to take it down but we advise transfering asap’ was the right statment to make honestly everything considered.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Karma for trading all these VC Pokemon on Christmas is paying off. I just got a shiny VC almost perfect Celebi.
Quite a few Beast Ball Pokemon as well and even more HA starters. The servers only have hours left, but people are going all out.