Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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I’ve been playing Pokémon shield and got bored pretty quick. Maybe it’s because of the same gameplay loop that never changes with each game, but I just can’t play it without getting distracted by something else. It doesn’t help that the soundtrack sucks, and at the very least even games with repetitive gameplay can pull me in if the soundtrack is good.
 
I’ve been playing Pokémon shield and got bored pretty quick. Maybe it’s because of the same gameplay loop that never changes with each game, but I just can’t play it without getting distracted by something else. It doesn’t help that the soundtrack sucks, and at the very least even games with repetitive gameplay can pull me in if the soundtrack is good.
It is still a goddamned crime that Spikemuth's gym had no voice acting.
 
I’ve been playing Pokémon shield and got bored pretty quick. Maybe it’s because of the same gameplay loop that never changes with each game, but I just can’t play it without getting distracted by something else. It doesn’t help that the soundtrack sucks, and at the very least even games with repetitive gameplay can pull me in if the soundtrack is good.
The setting sucks, game is too easy and you don't even have all the pokemon/moves to play around with. These games are surprisingly dull when the nostalgia wears off, and that happens a lot quicker if the game simply isn't fun or interesting. That's why I think Dexit and the general direction Gamefreak is taking now will eventually kill the franchise, you can only depend on genwunners and idiot consoomers for so long. Actual fans who like the games always will be the lifeblood of any franchise, and there is less of them every generation.
It is still a goddamned crime that Spikemuth's gym had no voice acting.
It's a crime there is no voice acting. period. That works for a gameboy title, but when you have a 3D game where there is an actual speech given to an audience at the start, and there is no VOICE ACTING? What were they thinking? Even worse is that I think the crowd is actually cheering, so there IS voices, just not the chairman talking. The laziness that GF can get away with thanks to their insane fanbase is off the charts, I can't imagine any other RPG getting away with any of that
 
It's a crime there is no voice acting. period. That works for a gameboy title, but when you have a 3D game where there is an actual speech given to an audience at the start, and there is no VOICE ACTING? What were they thinking? Even worse is that I think the crowd is actually cheering, so there IS voices, just not the chairman talking. The laziness that GF can get away with thanks to their insane fanbase is off the charts, I can't imagine any other RPG getting away with any of that.
There is more voice acting in goddamned Pokemon Stadium than either of the last two gens.
 
That's why I think Dexit and the general direction Gamefreak is taking now will eventually kill the franchise, you can only depend on genwunners and idiot consoomers for so long. Actual fans who like the games always will be the lifeblood of any franchise, and there is less of them every generation.
You're being too optimistic so allow me to doom.
Sword and Shield are the second best-selling games right behind the original Red and Blue, and Scarlet and Violet aren't far behind. If anything, the controversy over Dexit caused a Streissand effect and ballooned their popularity.

You can absolutely rely on idiot consoomers, just look at the sales numbers of the yearly EA sports games, the gacha shit and the microtransaction-infested AAA games. Actual fans are a minority, most people who buy Pokemon play it for an afternoon and then do something else, or they're kids who don't care about the quality of the games and a decade from now will be calling them hidden gems and classics. If you want to play good Pokemon games, stick to fangames or return to the old stuff, I still play HeartGold.
 
The setting sucks, game is too easy and you don't even have all the pokemon/moves to play around with. These games are surprisingly dull when the nostalgia wears off, and that happens a lot quicker if the game simply isn't fun or interesting. That's why I think Dexit and the general direction Gamefreak is taking now will eventually kill the franchise, you can only depend on genwunners and idiot consoomers for so long. Actual fans who like the games always will be the lifeblood of any franchise, and there is less of them every generation.

It's a crime there is no voice acting. period. That works for a gameboy title, but when you have a 3D game where there is an actual speech given to an audience at the start, and there is no VOICE ACTING? What were they thinking? Even worse is that I think the crowd is actually cheering, so there IS voices, just not the chairman talking. The laziness that GF can get away with thanks to their insane fanbase is off the charts, I can't imagine any other RPG getting away with any of that

There is more voice acting in goddamned Pokemon Stadium than either of the last two gens.

Voice acting literally adds nothing, modern voice acting is garbage enough to detract from what is on screen. Adding voice acting would hamper/reduce what content they can put into the already barebones games.
 
You're being too optimistic so allow me to doom.
Sword and Shield are the second best-selling games right behind the original Red and Blue, and Scarlet and Violet aren't far behind. If anything, the controversy over Dexit caused a Streissand effect and ballooned their popularity.

You can absolutely rely on idiot consoomers, just look at the sales numbers of the yearly EA sports games, the gacha shit and the microtransaction-infested AAA games. Actual fans are a minority, most people who buy Pokemon play it for an afternoon and then do something else, or they're kids who don't care about the quality of the games and a decade from now will be calling them hidden gems and classics. If you want to play good Pokemon games, stick to fangames or return to the old stuff, I still play HeartGold.
That's true, but you're missing the point: People who play yearly EA Sports titles or 2K ones are already sports fans, so they will buy these titles regardless because there is little competition and this is what interests them. People play COD every year because it is familiar to them and because other shooters like Halo and Battlefield shit the bed. Pokemon similarly has little competition, however you have to look at who actually buys these games. Little kids? They aren't really interested in Pokemon, they would rather watch streamers play the games, play fortnite or play some shitty gatcha on their phones.
Who is left then, the dwindling amount of old fans? Trannies, who historically do not actually purchase products they support? Coomers who openly admit they don't actually play the games but only jack off to porn? Even Japanese fans are being turned off, and they're the true bloodline of the franchise, always have been.
Without a new fanbase to put down their roots and become life-long consoomers, you mostly depend on the aging fanbase who is already somewhat aware of the franchise to some extent. Your average consoomer isn't going to buy the DLCs, plushies, trading cards ect which all makes more money than the actual games, and that will impact the bottom line. The high number of game sales is a bit of a misnomer: it is a short term profit that will inevitably end up with much smaller profit margin than if they bothered to make a decent product that was universally praised even by outsiders. That's how you build a cult following, not just sell shit because you know it will sell on the brand name alone.
This is a bubble and it will burst. You are absolutely correct that there really is no point in playing any of the newer titles.
Voice acting literally adds nothing, modern voice acting is garbage enough to detract from what is on screen. Adding voice acting would hamper/reduce what content they can put into the already barebones games.
How daft do you have to be to listen to a character clearly giving a speech, moving their mouth but not actually saying anything? How would actual voice acting, which other games that precede even the original 1996 RBG games had, take away from the experience? Next you will tell me that having more pokemon would detract from the experience too because Gamefreak would not have time to polish up these wonderful animations that are in the newer games.
Pokemon is the biggest entertainment franchise in the world, they can do whatever they want and they have the funds for it as well. You might as well start arguing that Disney and Star Wars are small indie productions done straight from someone's garage and you should not expect much of them.
Man, Gamefreak fans are something else.
 
How daft do you have to be to listen to a character clearly giving a speech, moving their mouth but not actually saying anything? How would actual voice acting, which other games that precede even the original 1996 RBG games had

Man, Gamefreak fans are something else.
Way to completely gloss over my pint beyond disagreeing with you. GF has always been poor at gamedesign, programming, and time management. Voice acting in video games has always been not great at best, but there is a place for it. That place has never been RPG’s. The result is always the same: getting two seconds of dialogue before skipping to the next text box. Pokémon has largely had barebones story, and that would further be reduced with the addition of gay cringey anime voice actors due to GF’s aforementioned poor time management.
 
Way to completely gloss over my pint beyond disagreeing with you. GF has always been poor at gamedesign, programming, and time management. Voice acting in video games has always been not great at best, but there is a place for it. That place has never been RPG’s. The result is always the same: getting two seconds of dialogue before skipping to the next text box. Pokémon has largely had barebones story, and that would further be reduced with the addition of gay cringey anime voice actors due to GF’s aforementioned poor time management.
You're excusing modern games being sub-standard even for a game from 1996 because "gamefreak doesn't know better"
No shit it doesn't know better, doesn't stop them from trying to implement voice acting, even if it was horrible. Just because they're retarded and stuck with making the same game over and over doesn't mean they don't get to get on with the times and try to make a proper video game more suited for the 2020s like every other Nintendo franchise. Imagine if Mario was still stuck in 2D and 8bit because "that's just how these games are", ditto for Metroid, or how about a Legend of Zelda title that isn't open world and still uses the exact same formula from the original Famicon title?. It's people like you giving them a free pass that are the reason for the absolute horrid state of the current games. Almost every single game on the Switch proves that there is nothing stopping them from making the best game they can, they're not making mobile games with limited hardware anymore. They're on the same console that has BOTW and Witcher 3, there is zero excuse.
 
You're excusing modern games being sub-standard even for a game from 1996 because "gamefreak doesn't know better"
No shit it doesn't know better, doesn't stop them from trying to implement voice acting, even if it was horrible. Just because they're retarded and stuck with making the same game over and over doesn't mean they don't get to get on with the times and try to make a proper video game more suited for the 2020s like every other Nintendo franchise. Imagine if Mario was still stuck in 2D and 8bit because "that's just how these games are", ditto for Metroid, or how about a Legend of Zelda title that isn't open world and still uses the exact same formula from the original Famicon title?. It's people like you giving them a free pass that are the reason for the absolute horrid state of the current games. Almost every single game on the Switch proves that there is nothing stopping them from making the best game they can, they're not making mobile games with limited hardware anymore. They're on the same console that has BOTW and Witcher 3, there is zero excuse.
No wonder you’re so adamant this game for five-year-olds adds voice acting, because you’re demonstrably illiterate. Voice acting, in and of itself, adds nothing to video games as a medium. In RPG’s specifically, across the entire genre, it reduces the quality and quantity of writing. Add in the fact that modern day voice acting consists of a tiny, incestuous group and you eliminate the identity of your characters because they have the same voice and cadence of every other character acted in the last fifteen years.
BotW is a worse experience for including voice acting.
 
Voice acting literally adds nothing, modern voice acting is garbage enough to detract from what is on screen. Adding voice acting would hamper/reduce what content they can put into the already barebones games.
Most of voice acting these days is complete shit, especially in the modern industry
 
Disclaimer: Devil's advocate here
The way I see it, historically, voice acting has always been a huge penalty for video game writing, as any writing change would result in re-recordings and also make things much less flexible for everyone
However, with ML models, voice acting can be "made" super easily, fast, and at a minimal cost
Dedicated voice actors, especially in the current unionized world, might get outcompeted by ML tools
 
It's not that voice acting would make Pokemon somehow worse it's that GameFreak is fucking incompetent and would somehow fuck it up so badly that it would be a daisy chain of fuck ups to an already jank game. Do not increase their workload because they have nigger tier work ethic and refuse to do anything above the bare minimum.
 
No wonder you’re so adamant this game for five-year-olds adds voice acting, because you’re demonstrably illiterate. Voice acting, in and of itself, adds nothing to video games as a medium. In RPG’s specifically, across the entire genre, it reduces the quality and quantity of writing. Add in the fact that modern day voice acting consists of a tiny, incestuous group and you eliminate the identity of your characters because they have the same voice and cadence of every other character acted in the last fifteen years.
BotW is a worse experience for including voice acting.
You're making excuses why the biggest entertainment franchise in the world, and a first party Nintendo franchise cannot have standard features when pitted against games like Witcher 3, which are on the same system, and hundreds if not thousands of other titles. You don't even have an excuse that keeping quality of first party games low is Nintendo's MO now when all the other ones are doing fine.
In other words, it's cope. Nigger cattle like you is the reason why gaming is in the sorry state it is, always advocating for lowering the standards because "who cares" or "it isn't worth it". BotW blows both Switch mainline Pokemon Titles out of the water while being a much older game, so that right there is another cope.
Go pre order the next SV DLC, you retard. Your mush brained ramblings matter about as much as that of any other GF defender.

Disclaimer: Devil's advocate here
The way I see it, historically, voice acting has always been a huge penalty for video game writing, as any writing change would result in re-recordings and also make things much less flexible for everyone
However, with ML models, voice acting can be "made" super easily, fast, and at a minimal cost
Dedicated voice actors, especially in the current unionized world, might get outcompeted by ML tools
Pokemon not only has much less spoken dialogue than most RPGs, it is also much more simplistic AND they have access to a variety of voice actors for all languages due to the Anime that always airs among these games. There is zero excuse why these games cannot have voice acting now that they are on a big-boy console, any arguments as such are made in bad faith by GF cum guzzlers who have to defend their billion dollar indie studio at all costs.
Adding voice acting would not lower the quality of the game's dialogue(or any other part of the games, as VA is often done by another part of the studio entirely), nor did removing it not add the quality of dialogue in the game(or improve any other part of the game, much like removing pokemon did not add model or animation quality). GF plays no part in booking actors, recording sessions ect. and just has to focus on the game like they normally would. This isn't rocket science, this has been the standard for decades now, as surprising as this might be to some Pokemon fans.
 
You're making excuses why the biggest entertainment franchise in the world, and a first party Nintendo franchise cannot have standard features when pitted against games like Witcher 3, which are on the same system, and hundreds if not thousands of other titles
I’m making zero excuses. I’m telling you that the entire inclusion of voice acting in and of itself is a negative element, regardless of what games include it. Witcher 3 would be better without it.
Nigger cattle like you is the reason why gaming is in the sorry state it is,
The last Pokémon game I bought was Ultra Sun, and it’s not even been opened. You’re the one buying the new games.
AND they have access to a variety of voice actors for all languages due to the Anime that always airs among these games
Anime voice acting is precisely the reason why voice acting drags down games.
You’re a fucking mongoloid who can’t comprehend that voice acting in video games are for faggots, for nigger cattle like yourself who would rather drag down the quality of a game by shoehorning in element under the guise of “modern standards”. The voice acting will be bad, because it is bad in literally every video game it appears, especially Japanese ones; and there is no amount of time or money that Game Freak could devote to achieve otherwise.
 
I’m making zero excuses. I’m telling you that the entire inclusion of voice acting in and of itself is a negative element, regardless of what games include it. Witcher 3 would be better without it.

The last Pokémon game I bought was Ultra Sun, and it’s not even been opened. You’re the one buying the new games.

Anime voice acting is precisely the reason why voice acting drags down games.
You’re a fucking mongoloid who can’t comprehend that voice acting in video games are for faggots, for nigger cattle like yourself who would rather drag down the quality of a game by shoehorning in element under the guise of “modern standards”. The voice acting will be bad, because it is bad in literally every video game it appears, especially Japanese ones; and there is no amount of time or money that Game Freak could devote to achieve otherwise.
So you've proven my point that you don't know what you're talking, and that what you said shouldn't be taken seriously then. Okay, thanks.
There is no reason why Gamefreak cannot bring their games to the modern standard, other than the cope that their defenders desperately try to spout. None of their excuses ever have any ground, unless we pretend that the games exist within a bubble where the industry hasn't moved on for over 20 years. Mario games are also targeting the same young audience, and look at their quality over the years. Any excuse relating to the game's quality/budget/features ect. falls apart even when you compare them to the exact same first party titles Pokemon shares the spotlight with, let alone standard AAA fare or even indie titles.
 
So you've proven my point that you don't know what you're talking, and that what you said shouldn't be taken seriously then. Okay, thanks.
There is no reason why Gamefreak cannot bring their games to the modern standard, other than the cope that their defenders desperately try to spout. None of their excuses ever have any ground, unless we pretend that the games exist within a bubble where the industry hasn't moved on for over 20 years. Mario games are also targeting the same young audience, and look at their quality over the years. Any excuse relating to the game's quality/budget/features ect. falls apart even when you compare them to the exact same first party titles Pokemon shares the spotlight with, let alone standard AAA fare or even indie titles.
Holy shit you’re retarded.

There is no amount of time or money from any company that could produce a game where voice acting does not hinder the quality of the game, especially with the zeitgeist of today’s voice actors.
 
Holy shit you’re retarded.

There is no amount of time or money from any company that could produce a game where voice acting does not hinder the quality of the game, especially with the zeitgeist of today’s voice actors.
Yes, because all the "bing-bing wahoos!" in Mario are such a strenuous load for Nintendo that they had to lower quality of models and textures, lower the LOD, cut out various features and half the enemy roster in the games. Fuck off, Pokemon's dialogue isn't Shakespeare and there is a lot less of it than in any real RPG. You're either a genuine dunce or arguing in bad faith, sadly there is very little distinction for that in the modern Pokemon fanbase.
What was the argument you used? "This is a game for 5 year olds"? Well, if that is the case, then the Anime voice actors you seem to hate so much will do, because the 5 year olds don't fucking care, as long as the voice acting is of the same quality as that of a saturday morning cartoon, that will be fine. The voice talent is there, all Nintendo has to do is book a few sessions, and there you go, a brand new feature in a Pokemon game.
Clearly, your level of "quality" that you speak of in gaming is non-existent, so once again you bring nothing to the conversation and your arguments mean nothing.
 
Yes, because all the "bing-bing wahoos!" in Mario are such a strenuous load for Nintendo that they had to lower quality of models and textures, lower the LOD, cut out various features and half the enemy roster in the games. Fuck off, Pokemon's dialogue isn't Shakespeare and there is a lot less of it than in any real RPG. You're either a genuine dunce or arguing in bad faith, sadly there is very little distinction for that in the modern Pokemon fanbase.
What was the argument you used? "This is a game for 5 year olds"? Well, if that is the case, then the Anime voice actors you seem to hate so much will do, because the 5 year olds don't fucking care, as long as the voice acting is of the same quality as that of a saturday morning cartoon, that will be fine. The voice talent is there, all Nintendo has to do is book a few sessions, and there you go, a brand new feature in a Pokemon game.
Clearly, your level of "quality" that you speak of in gaming is non-existent, so once again you bring nothing to the conversation and your arguments mean nothing.
Nigger you need to stop writing all these big posts and take 5 minutes to read one. This is the most retarded fucking argument I've seen in this thread.

HOMIE JUST DOESN'T LIKE VOICE ACTING
 
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