Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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Executive Petrel said:
Gen 5 was a good generation but got released at the wrong time.
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Your comment brought me back all the way to 2011. As someone who started with Pokemon White and joined the fandom shortly after, I can say that it was divided in a way not unlike what we're seeing now.

You can't tell nowadays because the people who grew up with gen V are now making posts and videos praising it, but back then gen V was extremely unpopular, it's still the lowest-selling generation to this day thanks to the backlash it got on release.
You could not enjoy Black and White without someone bitching about the ice cream or the garbage bag. It got so bad that when gen VI rolled around the fandom collectively told the genwunners to shut up and never speak again. Any bitching about Garbodor, Klinklang or Vanilluxe got immediately shut down with Muk, Magneton and Voltorb.

And the funny thing is this still affects the games and the fandom. Game Freak became so pathologically afraid of trying anything new that the next generations, especially gen VI, were filled with Kanto pandering. If you criticize modern Pokemon designs, someone will remind you of Raticate, Krabby, Dewgong, Voltorb, Magneton and Muk, even if you're not a Kanto fan.
 
Executive Petrel said:
It was considered uncool and nerdy in my area, but a few people still played secretly. Also younger children got into other franchises instead.
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I completely forgot about that, I remember how mocked Pokemon was at my school during the late Gen 4 era and most of Gen 5. I don't think this sentiment didn't vanish that much until Pokemon Go made it globally popular again.
It's so weird to think back to because nowadays adults barely seem self conscious about displaying their merchandise or creating a money market out of the TCG.

Squawking Macaw said:
And the funny thing is this still affects the games and the fandom. Game Freak became so pathologically afraid of trying anything new that the next generations, especially gen VI, were filled with Kanto pandering.
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And now they're over correcting themselves. There are constant complaints about too much Kanto pandering, yet there are no signs of it slowing down anytime soon. I don't see whats so hard about throwing the other gens a bone. At least Johto got some love with the recent evolutions.
 
What happens when you send a pokemon with a event only move to scarlet a violet. Do they still have the move in their memory?
 
Sneak 'n' Snore said:
I completely forgot about that, I remember how mocked Pokemon was at my school during the late Gen 4 era and most of Gen 5. I don't think this sentiment didn't vanish that much until Pokemon Go made it globally popular again.
It's so weird to think back to because nowadays adults barely seem self conscious about displaying their merchandise or creating a money market out of the TCG.
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it also was the era everybody got a smartphone, folks preferred playing Gen 1-3 on Emulator over NDS
 
Squawking Macaw said:
people have been comparing Pokemon to dogfighting/cockfighting/puppy mills ever since it got popular and it's as tiresome as saying videogames cause mass shootings. It's hard to tell when it's a joke when there are people actually arguing that breeding fake monsters is just as bad as real puppy mills.
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Whenever people make this comparison, I am always reminded of these really shitty PETA games. You know the ones.

Acrid Alchemist said:
It always makes me mad that Shigeki Morimoto directed my two favorite Pokemon games, Emerald and HGSS, and then they never let him direct again. Let my man free to make another banger.
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This, but for me it's also Iwao. Man has some talent and quite a few good ideas that you would never see in a mainline title for being "too risky". I want him to make a proper mainline title at some point, or at least direct the Gen 5 remake.
I wonder if Kawachimaru still works at Game Freak, Platinum is still one of my favorite Pokemon games of all time and one I probably spend the most amount of time on back in the day.
 
@Squawking Macaw if that's your take away you're either being disingenuous because you're butthurt or are actually too retarded to understand hypothetical jokes. The comparison is accurate, period. If you don't like it then it was probably at your expense. There is nothing wrong with making real world comparisons because you yourself said people call it digital cock fighting. If you can't tell when someone is joking that's a personal problem you have, not mine. I'm not going to give up my free speech because boomers say it unironically and it upsets people who can't tell jokes from actual outrage. You seem very MatI.
 
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Squawking Macaw said:
If you criticize modern Pokemon designs, someone will remind you of Raticate, Krabby, Dewgong, Voltorb, Magneton and Muk, even if you're not a Kanto fan.
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Sad thing is that this is something that was just lost to time because Pokémon would drop the concept themselves. The original Pokémon look "uninspired" because they're supposed to represent evolved real world animals, which is visibly apparent with the Normal and Water type Pokémon, specifically. The weirder ones were supposed to be more modern due to urbanization.

Now that Pokémon is no longer meant to be a parallel to our world, that means designs need to be more creative, even though you'll still see real animal inspirations if only because fans have always gone on about "Hey, wouldn't it be cool to have a dolphin/koala/zebra/etc. Pokémon?" Unova being a "mirror" of Kanto rustled the Genwunners' jimmies that they ended up pointing it out to everyone, thus tainting the experience, and that's why Kanto-pandering remains a problem. Never mind that Kanto Pokémon have always been around in newer regions in some capacity, but it was the first game to be of a completely new PokéDex from the start, and those "fans" couldn't have that. How dare Game Freak try something new! Gimme muh Charizards you bastardssssss!

I enjoy Gen VI to an extent, but it really did rub me the wrong way that the Kanto-pandering was that blatant and Mega Evolutions relied so much on it instead of being its own damn thing.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
I enjoy Gen VI to an extent, but it really did rub me the wrong way that the Kanto-pandering was that blatant and Mega Evolutions relied so much on it instead of being its own damn thing.
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All of the original XY Megas were just a giant greatest hit compilation to cover the most bases with the least amount of effort.

It didn't help that they all looked someone's Digimon OC they drew back in primary school.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Sad thing is that this is something that was just lost to time because Pokémon would drop the concept themselves. The original Pokémon look "uninspired" because they're supposed to represent evolved real world animals, which is visibly apparent with the Normal and Water type Pokémon, specifically. The weirder ones were supposed to be more modern due to urbanization.

Now that Pokémon is no longer meant to be a parallel to our world, that means designs need to be more creative, even though you'll still see real animal inspirations if only because fans have always gone on about "Hey, wouldn't it be cool to have a dolphin/koala/zebra/etc. Pokémon?" Unova being a "mirror" of Kanto rustled the Genwunners' jimmies that they ended up pointing it out to everyone, thus tainting the experience, and that's why Kanto-pandering remains a problem. Never mind that Kanto Pokémon have always been around in newer regions in some capacity, but it was the first game to be of a completely new PokéDex from the start, and those "fans" couldn't have that. How dare Game Freak try something new! Gimme muh Charizards you bastardssssss!

I enjoy Gen VI to an extent, but it really did rub me the wrong way that the Kanto-pandering was that blatant and Mega Evolutions relied so much on it instead of being its own damn thing.
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I'm not the biggest fan of gen I, but you raise a very good point about their designs. That certainly would explain why Kanto is the only Pokemon region named after a real place, and why the early anime and games referenced real animals and places so often. It certainly feels that they intended to make "our world, but with some magical animals" and ended up with "a different world with magical animals that looks like ours" as they kept adding more of them.

Gen VI's Kanto pandering was honestly embarrassing. The forced Pidgey encounter, Santalune Forest being an exact remake of Viridian, the Kanto starters, the gift Lapras, the roaming legendary bird, Mewtwo and the Unknown Dungeon, it and Charizard getting two megas. Did you know that if you count form changes as individual Pokemon, gen I is the generation with the most Pokemon?
 
Finally got to the point where I am ready to take the Crown Path, the Victory Road of SuperGold97. Against my better judgment, I decided to switch some team members around and train them since they were woefully underleveled. I assumed I knew what the Elite 4 was going to look like due to the leaks, but the devs threw a curveball and instead made Elite 4 50% retail GS and 50% assumed beta content, leading to a rather unique challenge. That's what prompted the roster change(There is an NPC that spells out what types they will be using at the foot of Mt Fuji btw, so I assumed who I will be facing using that information)

Training was long and tedious, as it always is, but I did manage to find a few items and catch the missing pokemon that I didn't bother with before, that included grabbing The Odd Egg that I somehow missed from the day care(it was a Meowsy btw, a SG97 exclusive baby Meowth form, but like with retail Odd Egg the pokemon vary)

*Lance the Dragonair
-Double Team
-Thunder Wave
-Dragonbreath
-Extreme Speed
The game re-uses the event from retail game where you get a special egg move Dratini if you answer a few questions correctly. Rather decent pokemon, but it will take even more training to fully evolve it. Annoyingly enough, due to how battle mechanics worked until Gen 4, Dragonbreath is actually weaker than Extreme Speed due to it being a special attack(and there being no physical dragon moves)

*Titanium the Steelix
-Strength
-Screech
-Iron Tail
-Rock Throw
Originally an HM slave, it has proven itself good enough to keep around permanently. I love Steelix, but without a competitive moveset it just isn't that good in single player, however it does fulfill a similar role as Miltank did so I am giving it a try. The beta charting makes Steel a lot less effective at tanking hits, as most hits are neutral rather than resisted and Water moves are 4X as effective due to both Steel and Ground being effected by it. Steelix has good speed and sky high defense, sadly it's attack is lackluster but it somewhat makes up for it by artificially lowering enemy's defense with Screech. I was thinking about replacing Rock Throw with Dig, but I figured since Golem has been put on the bench for now, having a Rock attack is more useful than a Ground one.

*Jackie the Gengar
-Hypnosis
-Mean Look
-Shadow Ball
-Dream Eater
Originally a catcher pokemon, I figured a Ghost type would be a good thing to tag along. Lack of good special moves like Thunderbolt or Ice Beam hurt it, but I think I am happy with what I got. Just like with Dragonair, sadly Shadow Ball doesn't do nearly as much as it should due to it being classified as a Physical move in this gen, same with the other stab attack like Sludge Bomb.

*Democrat the Ampharos
Unchanged

*Sessler the Aquarius
Unchanged

*VACANT: Waterfall HM slave. Will probably replace with Bomseal, but at the cost that it won't be getting any exp from Crown Path, meaning it might be underlevelled

All in all, I am happy with what I got. There is annoying things like real life and social obligations in the way, but when I find a quiet moment, I think I'm ready to finish the base game.
 
Executive Petrel said:
PKMN is satanic

>tfw you're feelin old because you remember the time when conservatives were the ones doing cancel culture
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At least they were well intentioned, and if successful the consequences would be less severe. I think society can handle a lack of Pokemon, but silencing "hate speech" against heckin' valid transwomen not so much.

Squawking Macaw said:
VI's Kanto pandering was honestly embarrassing.
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It's one of the best gens, but I wish they'd do some more Johto pandering.
 
This video very cool about AI and Pokemon. I think it's a bit of a stretch when he tries to draw correlations to humans, but otherwise an interesting watch. No tranny shit either, amazing for a Pokemon video these days.

 
SSj_Ness said:
This video very cool about AI and Pokemon. I think it's a bit of a stretch when he tries to draw correlations to humans, but otherwise an interesting watch. No tranny shit either, amazing for a Pokemon video these days.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DcYLT37ImBY
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Fellow chudbro do no mentally ill audience pandering, 10/10 video, got my sub and like without begging for it with big tearful numale eyes like a doggo for food.
 
Finally got to Pokemon League in Supergold 97. Crown Path/Victory Road was actually pretty good, no HM "puzzles" and the only HM you needed was the Waterfall to get up to the cave. Fairly linear dungeon with optional forks in the road and detours for items, challenging and relatively long but doesn't outstay it's welcome either. One of the better final dungeons in Pokemon from what I remember.
Got a good amount of level ups for my team, so I am in good shape. I said that my HM pokemon slot would go to Bomseal once I reached the league, but now I'm thinking I want to use my Miltank. That would leave me with two defensive walls, at the cost of no fire coverage or second water type. Miltank is also considerably underleveled, but not enough so that I can't make it work after a few levels within the Elite 4. I'm thinking I will go for it, if nothing else Milk Drink will save me quite a few potions, and I am running low on money after blowing my life's savings on the casino for Haunter's Covenant orb so it could evolve into Gengar.

SSj_Ness said:
This video very cool about AI and Pokemon. I think it's a bit of a stretch when he tries to draw correlations to humans, but otherwise an interesting watch. No tranny shit either, amazing for a Pokemon video these days.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DcYLT37ImBY
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I wonder if the AI will start using those ridiculous exploits that people use to quite literally break(or in some cases even reprogram) the game. Hell, I wonder if it will discover them naturally. There have been cases of an AI discovering a previously unknown glitch in gaming before.
 
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