Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Anonitolia]

they need to balance around VGC.

Bullshit, there is absolutely no requirement. I know they're trying to do it anyways, but past gens got on perfectly fine without this stuff even before VGC became "big" (something like 1/10th the size of Smogon). There has never been and never will be a need to constantly keep power creeping, constantly keep adding new attacks and abilities that just amount to "this old attack but more powerful and objectively better"...

...there wasn't before the gimmick shit, anyways. After gen 7 decided to give people literal nuke buttons instead of even a modicum of thought like the singular gimmick beforehand required (Mawile, Kangaskhan, and Rayquaza notwithstanding) everything kind of spiraled out of control... but then again, with abilities like Water Bubble, Disguise, Queenly Majesty and Dancer, I guess the series' fate was already sealed then and there.

(It even has the redundant new abilities that are identical to existing ones (just with new names)! Power of Alchemy and Receiver are identical, as are Queenly Majesty and Dazzling, as is Full Metal Body and Clear Body, Innards Out and Aftermath...)

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

It's because they need to balance around VGC. A format which is exclusively Doubles. Even though Double Battles barely exist ingame, which just makes VGC way too hard for the average normie/kiddy to get into.

You know for a game that is around the concept of friendship, it would have made a lot of sense to have the game built around an optional buddy system. Optional Double battles for the elite four would at least be something different.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

After gen 7 decided to give people literal nuke buttons instead of even a modicum of thought like the singular gimmick beforehand required (Mawile and Kangaskhan notwithstanding) everything kind of spiraled out of control...

Both gimmicks are unga-bunga press the button to make mah Pokeman supa powerful braindead mechanics. Let's be real. Alongside dynamax/gigantamax, I may add.
Terastalization is the only semi-decent battle gimmick modern Pokemon has introduced, imo.

 

[Anonitolia]

Both gimmicks are unga-bunga press the button to make mah Pokeman supa powerful braindead mechanics. Let's be real. Alongside dynamax/gigantamax, I may add.
Terastalization is the only semi-decent battle gimmick modern Pokemon has introduced, imo.

Tera could've been the best if it hadn't gone full retard


Megas at least had to have some thought put into when they were activated, whether the one you were using fit your team, how a different typing/ability could affect your strategy, etc. Gigantamax has none of this because it has that contemplation mixed in with the "unga bunga hit for 400 damage" shit that Z-Moves introduced (alongside abilities and typing being unaffected, removing even more thought), and Tera isn't much better due to the aforementioned mega-boost to any STAB whatsoever. When putting that into a generation with unprecedented power creep where normal moves are nearing the effects of some of the weakest Z-Moves, it's only barely better than the nuke-move shit.

Also the hats absolutely suck compared to almost every single Mega we got. A fair amount of Megas are in my top 10 because they're so fucking cool/such awesome expansions of the base mon's concept- meanwhile the hats look out of place and unwieldy on every single mon that uses the gimmick.

 

[Executive Petrel]

When you leave a Zelda creature, a Sinistea and the head of a lego man at the Pokemon Daycare, a Polteachageist egg will somehow appear.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

...there wasn't before the gimmick shit, anyways. After gen 7 decided to give people literal nuke buttons instead of even a modicum of thought like the singular gimmick beforehand required (Mawile and Kangaskhan notwithstanding) everything kind of spiraled out of control... but then again, with abilities like Water Bubble, Disguise, Queenly Majesty and Dancer, I guess the series' fate was already sealed then and there.
(It even has the redundant new abilities that are identical to existing ones (just with new names)! Power of Alchemy and Receiver are identical, as are Queenly Majesty and Dazzling, as is Full Metal Body and Clear Body, Innards Out and Aftermath...)

It doesn't help that they nowadays feel the need to give every single Pokemon something, be it a gimmick, signature move or ability, to make them stand out. The amount of overpowered moves, abilities with extremely specific effects and bizarre form changes and evolution methods is getting out of hand.

Also the hats absolutely suck compared to almost every single Mega we got. A fair amount of Megas are in my top 10 because they're so fucking cool/such awesome expansions of the base mon's concept- meanwhile the hats look out of place and unwieldy on every single mon that uses the gimmick.

It's hard to see because of all the glowing, but Koraidon's Tera hat clips through its feathers during the final boss battle

 

[Anonitolia]

It doesn't help that they nowadays feel the need to give every single Pokemon something, be it a gimmick, signature move or ability, to make them stand out. The amount of overpowered moves, abilities with extremely specific effects and bizarre form changes and evolution methods is getting out of hand.

Yeah, that's what I was deriding earlier. I didn't notice it until gen 8- I thought just Water Bubble and Water Compaction were problems because I heard complaints about them all the time- but even a single generation of this shit is enough to severely worsen power creep and we have now gone through 1/3 of the series with this "every mon needs a gimmick" mindset. It's absolutely toxic to a franchise's longevity, and in a series like this- where its reputation is already at rock bottom and only getting worse- it really doesn't help anything.

It's hard to see because of all the glowing, but Koraidon's Tera hat clips through its feathers during the final boss battle

lmao that filename

 

[Acrid Alchemist]

I asked this in the tabletop game thread but didn't really get a bite but is anyone here interested in joining a Pokemon Tabletop game?

We play an older version of Pokemon Tabletop Adventures with some homebrew/houserules which ends at Gen 7 Pokemon. Game time is 8ish pm EST on Tuesdays, Wednesdays or Thursdays and end around 12 or 1 am. We use Discord for VC and Roll20 for the tabletop. No experience with the game or even tabletop rpgs need, the current two players are pretty new as well.

 

[Anonitolia]

I asked this in the tabletop game thread but didn't really get a bite but is anyone here interested in joining a Pokemon Tabletop game?

We play an older version of Pokemon Tabletop Adventures with some homebrew/houserules which ends at Gen 7 Pokemon. Game time is 8ish pm EST on Tuesdays, Wednesdays or Thursdays and end around 12 or 1 am. We use Discord for VC and Roll20 for the tabletop. No experience with the game or even tabletop rpgs need, the current two players are pretty new as well.

Sounds cool and all, but

Discord for VC and Roll20 for the tabletop

 

[Acrid Alchemist]

Sounds cool and all, but

Yeah that's entirely fair. The rest of the group are Kiwis I met doing other stuff and I figured I'd see if any other Kiwis wanted to join since our sort of humor would not be acceptable for people recruited from other sites.

 

[I_Lurk_Here]

I asked this in the tabletop game thread but didn't really get a bite but is anyone here interested in joining a Pokemon Tabletop game?

We play an older version of Pokemon Tabletop Adventures with some homebrew/houserules which ends at Gen 7 Pokemon. Game time is 8ish pm EST on Tuesdays, Wednesdays or Thursdays and end around 12 or 1 am. We use Discord for VC and Roll20 for the tabletop. No experience with the game or even tabletop rpgs need, the current two players are pretty new as well.

I'm interested but I'm unlikely to play due to time zone.

 

[whatever I feel like]

I'm interested but I'm unlikely to play due to time zone.

Yeah, sounds fun but I can't play due to being gainfully employed.


Edit: Lol, the new mon looks like a McDonalds trick or treat pail.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

My guess is that Poltchageist is going to replace both Sinistea nd Polteageist. That is, even though Poltchageist's name is based on Polteageist, official material compares Poltchageist to Sinistea.

 

[Anonitolia]

Poltchageist is going to replace both Sinistea nd Polteageist.

In what way literally ever? If a regional fake/variant is included in a region, GameFreak always put the original in its dex too just in case people want to transfer the originals in (or because they’re retarded idk). Hell, both Tentacool and Diglett are more than encounterable in Paldea’s dex, and the same goes for every single Hisuian mon that got something last game.

If you mean in terms of marketing, the take is equally-as stupid. GF is already pushing for comparison between Poltcha and Poltea as seen in its 20-second reveal trailer, where the literal only footage is a pan of Poltcha’s 3D model and then an in-game comparison between the two, very blatantly showing off that Poltea is returning.

If you mean in your ROM hack, ignore my sperging and continue. But in literally any other context, Poltcha isn’t replacing anything.

 

[Massively Strong Greed]

In what way literally ever? If a regional fake/variant is included in a region, GameFreak always put the original in its dex too just in case people want to transfer the originals in (or because they’re retarded idk). Hell, both Tentacool and Diglett are more than encounterable in Paldea’s dex, and the same goes for every single Hisuian mon that got something last game.

If you mean in terms of marketing, the take is equally-as stupid. GF is already pushing for comparison between Poltcha and Poltea as seen in its 20-second reveal trailer, where the literal only footage is a pan of Poltcha’s 3D model and then an in-game comparison between the two, very blatantly showing off that Poltea is returning.

If you mean in your ROM hack, ignore my sperging and continue. But in literally any other context, Poltcha isn’t replacing anything.

Tell me where I can find Tentacool in SV.

 

[Anonitolia]

Tell me where I can find Tentacool in SV.

Is it not in the North Paldean Sea?

EDIT: What the fuck, it isn't. It's not even in the game. In that case, I'm lost. What hellish Mandela effect is this? What even is this logic?


And why did they make Diglett available but not fucking Tentacruel, which rocks?? Blasphemy!!

 

[whatever I feel like]

Is it not in the North Paldean Sea?

EDIT: What the fuck, it isn't. It's not even in the game. In that case, I'm lost. What hellish Mandela effect is this? What even is this logic?


And why did they make Diglett available but not fucking Tentacruel, which rocks?? Blasphemy!!

They were in PLA, maybe thats what you remember.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

In what way literally ever? If a regional fake/variant is included in a region, GameFreak always put the original in its dex too just in case people want to transfer the originals in (or because they’re retarded idk). Hell, both Tentacool and Diglett are more than encounterable in Paldea’s dex, and the same goes for every single Hisuian mon that got something last game.

If you mean in terms of marketing, the take is equally-as stupid. GF is already pushing for comparison between Poltcha and Poltea as seen in its 20-second reveal trailer, where the literal only footage is a pan of Poltcha’s 3D model and then an in-game comparison between the two, very blatantly showing off that Poltea is returning.

If you mean in your ROM hack, ignore my sperging and continue. But in literally any other context, Poltcha isn’t replacing anything.

Whoops. I pu that wrong.

By 'replace', I am referring in respec to the current region. Barring special trades or encounters, you normally find only the regional variant of a Pokémon. In Alola, Cubone always evolves into Alolan Marowak even if both Marowaks are programmed in the game and technically placed in the Pokédex; you only meet Kantonian Marowak if you battle a tourist. The same thing applies in Paldea: you encounter only Paldean Wooper natively, not Johtonian Wooper. The same thing applies with convergent formes (which are functionally regional variants, anyway): you encounter Toedscool, no Tentacool.

The important part is tha they tend to 'replace' one-to-one. Sometimes, they become the base of their specific evolutions: Obstagoon comes to mind. My theory is that Poltchageist is in reverse, meant o be both 'Paldean' Sinistea nd 'Paldean' Polteageist a the same time, since GameFreak is pushing comparisons between Poltchageist and Polteageist, bu the official material is comparing Poltchageist with Sinistea.

 

[Anonitolia]

Whoops. I pu that wrong.

By 'replace', I am referring in respec to the current region. Barring special trades or encounters, you normally find only the regional variant of a Pokémon. In Alola, Cubone always evolves into Alolan Marowak even if both Marowaks are programmed in the game and technically placed in the Pokédex; you only meet Kantonian Marowak if you battle a tourist. The same thing applies in Paldea: you encounter only Paldean Wooper natively, not Johtonian Wooper. The same thing applies with convergent formes (which are functionally regional variants, anyway): you encounter Toedscool, no Tentacool.

The important part is tha they tend to 'replace' one-to-one. Sometimes, they become the base of their specific evolutions: Obstagoon comes to mind. My theory is that Poltchageist is in reverse, meant o be both 'Paldean' Sinistea nd 'Paldean' Polteageist a the same time, since GameFreak is pushing comparisons between Poltchageist and Polteageist, bu the official material is comparing Poltchageist with Sinistea.

in which case I will disagree, not only because of the comparison shot in the trailer but because regular wooper is encounterable in the DLC (as well as available in a trade in the base game) even though paldean supposedly "replaced" it for this game

it's also worth noting that the two "regional fakes" introduced so far are both based on two-stage families that still evolved into "regional fakes" of their original inspirations' evolved forms (instead of combining traits of either and/or not evolving "as replacement"). They're also both based on Kanto mon, though, so using them as evidence that there won't be changed might be misguided.
I don't think it is, though. The new Paradoxes still follow all "established Paradox rules" (dual typing, no evolution or prevolution even if its inspiration originally had one, more hair + eyeliner and yellow eyes for past or roboticization for future, etc) so I don't think the regional fakes will be an exception outside of expanding what species a regional fake can be based off of.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

in which case I will disagree, not only because of the comparison shot in the trailer but because regular wooper is encounterable in the DLC (as well as available in a trade in the base game)

...hence why I barred trades.

even though paldean supposedly "replaced" it for this game

I know that 'replace' is the wrong word. I just do not kno which word is the appropriate one.

it's also worth noting that the two "regional fakes" introduced so far are both based on two-stage families that still evolved into "regional fakes" of their original inspirations' evolved forms (instead of combining traits of either and/or not evolving "as replacement"). They're also both based on Kanto mon, though, so using them as evidence that there won't be changed might be misguided.

I do no think that would be misguided.
I am just confused on why the website said 'It may resemble Sinistea at a glance,' even though all other evidence and intuition points to Poltchageist being a 'regional fake' of Polteageist.