Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[ToroidalBoat]

in terms of entirely unique species there are 908 revealed to the public as of this post

What if Scarlet and Violet make it an even 1000?

Also looks like Gen 5 added the most so far, as B&W had no mons from previous generations without trading (IIRC).

(thanks for the informative post)

 

[Kuchipatchi]

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What do you guys think?

I agree up to the last point. Adding in more viable megas is nice and all, but that wouldn't make the terrible ones any less bad. They'd need to give the currently bad megas some tweaking to either their abilities, stats or straight up buff the base form by giving it access to more moves that the mega can use.

I think Mega Evolutions are very underwhelming mechanic, it's not like they got a massive increase in stats. Especially when you OHKO your opponent when they Mega Evolve, that's just sad rather than impressive.

Mega Evolutions need to be left in the past.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

I think Mega Evolutions are very underwhelming mechanic, it's not like they got a massive increase in stats. Especially when you OHKO your opponent when they Mega Evolve, that's just sad rather than impressive.

Mega Evolutions need to be left in the past.

Oh no, there was definitely a massive stat increase. That stat increase just doesn't make frail pokemon any less frail like the mega bugs for example (except sometimes scizor).

Aggron became a near unkillable wall when it mega evolved. Especially with the right stat setup.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

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What do you guys think?

I agree up to the last point. Adding in more viable megas is nice and all, but that wouldn't make the terrible ones any less bad. They'd need to give the currently bad megas some tweaking to either their abilities, stats or straight up buff the base form by giving it access to more moves that the mega can use.

All of Pokemon is imbalanced competitively, there's like 1,000 of them but only a fraction of them are competitively viable, and that was even true back when only 151 existed. Megas being imbalanced is no different than regular Pokemon being imbalanced, it's just an inherent quality of the games to have worthless possibilities. That extends to the move pool too, nobody uses Ember over Flamethrower.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

That extends to the move pool too, nobody uses Ember over Flamethrower.

That's more by design. They obviously didn't want your pokemon to start off strong so, they make them work with weaker moves until they get the moves they can settle on. It helps the player feel like their pokemon is growing in more than just appearance and stats.

Especially in your example. Flamethrower is just a stronger ember, but the game would be a cake walk if you had flamethrower right out the gate.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

That's more by design. They obviously didn't want your pokemon to start off strong so, they make them work with weaker moves until they get the moves they can settle on. It helps the player feel like their pokemon is growing in more than just appearance and stats.

Especially in your example. Flamethrower is just a stronger ember, but the game would be a cake walk if you had flamethrower right out the gate.

Yeah, but if they wanted to they could make them all useful, like give a move such as Ember a higher rate of burn or something. That way it can still have a use outside of sheer power.

I know burn isn't that effective and would not be a good enough reason on its own to use Ember over Flamethrower, but it's just an example.

 

[SnowBall]

What I dislike about megas is that the forms would have better off being used as normal evolutions for certain Pokemon.

 

[AnotherPleb]

What I dislike about megas is that the forms would have better off being used as normal evolutions for certain Pokemon.

Eviolite puts a wrench in those plans.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave]

Eviolite puts a wrench in those plans.

If there's one item I think Gamefreak regrets introducing, it'd definitely be Eviolite. It's handcuffed them from being able to go back and give any older Pokémon a new evolution, because suddenly they have to worry about how that older 'mon suddenly becoming a Wall.

Though speaking of items, for the love of god I hope Gamefreak keeps the Link Cable from Legends - I get it, it's incentive to actually trade your Pokemon, but it's such a nice QoL item to let you skip the hassle of having to actually deal with people, nevermind Nintendo wanting your money for Online Trades...

 

[Dunsparce]

If there's one item I think Gamefreak regrets introducing, it'd definitely be Eviolite. It's handcuffed them from being able to go back and give any older Pokémon a new evolution, because suddenly they have to worry about how that older 'mon suddenly becoming a Wall.

Though speaking of items, for the love of god I hope Gamefreak keeps the Link Cable from Legends - I get it, it's incentive to actually trade your Pokemon, but it's such a nice QoL item to let you skip the hassle of having to actually deal with people, nevermind Nintendo wanting your money for Online Trades...

They could have simply just not make it available if they REALLY wanted it gone, they did that with the Gem items that were also introduced in Gen V(outside of the Normal Gem, which for some reason is always brought back) from X and Y onwards, since they were used absurdly often in PVP, even on Pokemon that didn't have Unburden or Acrobatics.

That reminds me, there is a Fairy Gem that has been in the coding of the games since X and Y that has never been officially released.

 

[Linoone]

What I dislike about megas is that the forms would have better off being used as normal evolutions for certain Pokemon.

Honestly, I fully agree here. So many Pokémon could’ve use new evolution forms but instead we get, this..

(Also, Howdy! Been lurking since the BDSP phase and it’s been great finding a decent Pokémon related thread).

 

[Kuchipatchi]

I've not seen this mentioned in the thread but I was looking at the website and one of the background images caught my eye.
Seems like I'm able to bring over my Hisuian team to the new game! I can imagine it being post-game obviously but I would love to carry over my team and random shinies.


It's a shame the Max Raids aren't being carried over because that was the only saving grace SwSh had and even then, you had to go out of your way to get join requests by initiating a wonder trade. Another good thing about Max Raids is that if the servers ever shut down, you can still play locally or by yourself.
Makes me wonder what new multiplayer feature will they have in it's place if it'll have one.

 

[Archeops]

You guys remember that art contest The Pokemon Company and TPCi was running last year where people from Japan and the US could submit art featuring one of eight Pokemon (Bulbasaur, Charizard, Pikachu, Arcanine, Galarian Rapidash, Scizor, Greninja, or Cramorant) going through its daily routine?

Well apparently the Top 300 entries were revealed yesterday. Surprisingly enough Charizard and Greninja didn’t dominate the placements, that honor goes to Cramorant

I've not seen this mentioned in the thread but I was looking at the website and one of the background images caught my eye.
Seems like I'm able to bring over my Hisuian team to the new game! I can imagine it being post-game obviously but I would love to carry over my team and random shinies.
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It's a shame the Max Raids aren't being carried over because that was the only saving grace SwSh had and even then, you had to go out of your way to get join requests by initiating a wonder trade. Another good thing about Max Raids is that if the servers ever shut down, you can still play locally or by yourself.
Makes me wonder what new multiplayer feature will they have in it's place if it'll have one.

IIRC they used Hisuian Zoroark as an example of what Pokemon can be brought over via HOME But there may be a chance to get some Hisuian Pokemon in the Scarlet and Violet “naturally” like you can with some Pokemon in SWSH.

And as far as multiplayer features go we’ll definitely be getting one since GF likes to keep some form of social interaction in its games. As for the loss of raids it’s understandable from a lore-based aspect since we’re moving away from Galar and that’s all GF needs to justify it.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

You guys remember that art contest The Pokemon Company and TPCi was running last year where people from Japan and the US could submit art featuring one of eight Pokemon (Bulbasaur, Charizard, Pikachu, Arcanine, Galarian Rapidash, Scizor, Greninja, or Cramorant) going through its daily routine?

Well apparently the Top 300 entries were revealed yesterday. Surprisingly enough Charizard and Greninja didn’t dominate the placements, that honor goes to Cramorant

It would be the one I don't even know.

 

[Executive Petrel]

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What do you guys think?

Gamefreak should bring back megas. Even weaker Pokemon can rise up a few tiers if they get a decent mega and also be used as their normal forms in their respective tiers. Some forms like Mega Kangaskhan will always need to get nerfed and imo the game designers did a good job doing this, like with M-Garchomp being slower than regular Chomp or M-Gengar losing it's Levitate ability to become more vulnerable as a tradeoff.

Mega Beedrill is a good example how well-executed the concept of Megas can get. It loses stats it doesn't need and gains a huge boost in viability due to it's increase in Attack and Speed. More megas should be designed like Beedrill.

Pokemon like Mewtwo will always be ubers anyway, those megas are clearly fanservice and Gen one pandering for cash. So why don't give weaker mon a new form and possibly some time to shine? Especially those with uncommon typings that otherwise get overlooked in competitive because their stats are just too bad.
This concept is more well-thought of and less broken than Z-Moves (you can argue about that) or Dynamax.
At least they were fun to use ingame and in PvP.

 

[McMitch]

Gamefreak should bring back megas. Even weaker Pokemon can rise up a few tiers if they get a decent mega and also be used as their normal forms in their respective tiers. Some forms like Mega Kangaskhan will always need to get nerfed and imo the game designers did a good job doing this, like with M-Garchomp being slower than regular Chomp or M-Gengar losing it's Levitate ability to become more vulnerable as a tradeoff.

Mega Beedrill is a good example how well-executed the concept of Megas can get. It loses stats it doesn't need and gains a huge boost in viability due to it's increase in Attack and Speed. More megas should be designed like Beedrill.

Pokemon like Mewtwo will always be ubers anyway, those megas are clearly fanservice and Gen one pandering for cash. So why don't give weaker mon a new form and possibly some time to shine? Especially those with uncommon typings that otherwise get overlooked in competitive because their stats are just too bad.
This concept is more well-thought of and less broken than Z-Moves (you can argue about that) or Dynamax.
At least they were fun to use ingame and in PvP.

The issue with mega evolution is twofold in that the original intention was a bandaid to fix issues inherent to Pokemon’s battle system, such as: large swathes of older Pokémon having been rendered obsolete due to the power creep over almost two decades (it’s insane to me that mega evolution has existed for a third of the franchise’s lifespan); while dyna/gigantomax was a bandaid to fix the issues inherent with mega evolution. ScarVi are definitely going to hit 1000 Pokémon, and it is going to be extremely difficult to distinguish the new Pokémon from the expansive roster without power creep or a gimmick (even with a Dexit scenario).
Pokémon really does need a fundamental overhaul to its base formula. I’m personally a fan of making primary and secondary typing more relevant (I.e. primary typing playing a larger role in damage calculation such as stab and type matchups with secondary types having a reduced impact). The problem there is that pokemon’s actual moneymaker has become a class of adults that would become unable/unwilling to accept the level of change the games need.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave]

ScarVi are definitely going to hit 1000 Pokémon, and it is going to be extremely difficult to distinguish the new Pokémon from the expansive roster without power creep or a gimmick (even with a Dexit scenario).

I stand by saying a Dexit scenario was bound to happen sooner or later - we’ve long since past the point where they could realistically keep putting more and more models into the game without bloating the game size to shit, especially knowing Game Freak’s relationship with basic competence over the years.

It’s arguably the biggest drawback they’ve had going from sprites to 3D - that and the Player Character looking so generic it hurts…

 

[McMitch]

I stand by saying a Dexit scenario was bound to happen sooner or later - we’ve long since past the point where they could realistically keep putting more and more models into the game without bloating the game size to shit, especially knowing Game Freak’s relationship with basic competence over the years.

It’s arguably the biggest drawback they’ve had going from sprites to 3D - that and the Player Character looking so generic it hurts…

That was the initial controversy with Dexit: GF actually put the work in to future-proof the models on X and Y to the detriment of that game running well on the 3DS, and fucked it up when time came to move to a new console. Storage is cheap: they could absolutely fit thousands of Pokémon on a modern game. The problem is the games themselves are bland and empty (and the designs have been weakening since X and Y but that’s a different issue) because GF won’t let fresh blood tackle it.

 

[Spooky Cloud Strife]

What I dislike about megas is that the forms would have better off being used as normal evolutions for certain Pokemon.

It pains me that a lot of megas are beyond useless and irrelevant
Mega-Audino, the only gen 5 mega evolution....it´s practically more useless than a normal audino
And who even remembers mega-Steelix? for example?

 

[Thiletonomics]

Gamefreak should bring back megas. Even weaker Pokemon can rise up a few tiers if they get a decent mega and also be used as their normal forms in their respective tiers. Some forms like Mega Kangaskhan will always need to get nerfed and imo the game designers did a good job doing this, like with M-Garchomp being slower than regular Chomp or M-Gengar losing it's Levitate ability to become more vulnerable as a tradeoff.

Mega Beedrill is a good example how well-executed the concept of Megas can get. It loses stats it doesn't need and gains a huge boost in viability due to it's increase in Attack and Speed. More megas should be designed like Beedrill.

Pokemon like Mewtwo will always be ubers anyway, those megas are clearly fanservice and Gen one pandering for cash. So why don't give weaker mon a new form and possibly some time to shine? Especially those with uncommon typings that otherwise get overlooked in competitive because their stats are just too bad.
This concept is more well-thought of and less broken than Z-Moves (you can argue about that) or Dynamax.
At least they were fun to use ingame and in PvP.

Mega Mawile was also a good example of making an overlooked Pokémon into a power house, without making it super OP. (I think) Even with the massive Attack boost it gets in Mega form, it's still held in check by it's low HP and Speed stats.