Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Juan's Sombrero]

I'm not a fan of Samurott. It just looks so disjointed from Oshawott and Dewott that I just can't. I really like dewott but had it been more of an in between it probably wouldn't be that bad for me.

When I first tried Samurott as a starter, I was dissatisfied with its performance.

 

[Leaf-eon]

I'm not a fan of Samurott. It just looks so disjointed from Oshawott and Dewott that I just can't. I really like dewott but had it been more of an in between it probably wouldn't be that bad for me.

I like Samurott but it's move set has a lot of normal type moves though.

 

[SnowBall]

I never understood the Samurott hate. It’s awesome and I feel it would be appreciated a lot more if it was its own Pokemon line and not part of Oshawott’s line. The thing is, if Oshawott’s final form was bipedal people would bitch about it being furry bait.

Vullaby’s skull diaper is weird but Mandibuzz is badass. It looks like a total bitch and I love it.

I also think gen 5 in general has an unfairly hated dex. It’s no worse than any others aside from gen 8. The uglier Pokemon in the gen 5 dex remind me a bit of the classic gnarly Digimon aesthetic from the 90’s which was such an awesome style.

 

[Leaf-eon]

I never understood the Samurott hate. It’s awesome and I feel it would be appreciated a lot more if it was its own Pokemon line and not part of Oshawott’s line. The thing is, if Oshawott’s final form was bipedal people would bitch about it being furry bait.

Vullaby’s skull diaper is weird but Mandibuzz is badass. It looks like a total bitch and I love it.

I also think gen 5 in general has an unfairly hated dex. It’s no worse than any others aside from gen 8. The uglier Pokemon in the gen 5 dex remind me a bit of the classic gnarly Digimon aesthetic from the 90’s which was such an awesome style.

A lot of people will criticize and bash gen 5's dex because there's a few gen 1 copy cats like the Roggenrola line , Timeburr line and Munna line or it's the usual muh Vanilluxe and Garbodor complaints. Which is a shame because there's some really good pokémon in the Unova dex, hell some of my favorite pokémon are from gen 5.

 

[Don't @ Me]

A lot of people will criticize and bash gen 5's dex because there's a few gen 1 copy cats like the Roggenrola line , Timeburr line and Munna line or it's the usual muh Vanilluxe and Garbodor complaints. Which is a shame because there's some really good pokémon in the Unova dex, hell some of my favorite pokémon are from gen 5.

The only copy cat I have any dislike for is the Klank line, and even then, they're not that bad. And as for the usual complaints, I actually really like Vanilluxe and Garbodor. Well, I'm fine with Vanilluxe, but I like Garbodor and Trubbish. A Pokemon that's adapted to humanity's pollution, like Grimer and Muk, is pretty cool to me, especially in a region based on New York. The Vanilluxe line at least are just a bunch of icicles that look like ice cream, as opposed to like, Alcremie, and Sinistea, who I think are actually food? Not that familiar with Gen 8.

 

[Chin of Campbell]

You are 100% coping if you insist that Legends (graphically) looks like anything but shit. Stop pretending. Whoever the fuck thought it was a good idea to put bird's-eye views of your repeating ground textures not just in a trailer but as the main focus needs to be fired. But I'd imagine you could drop most of GF's staff without any real trouble.

Change the thread title, there's no grieving when the whole funeral's fucking the corpse.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

You are 100% coping if you insist that Legends (graphically) looks like anything but shit. Stop pretending. Whoever the fuck thought it was a good idea to put bird's-eye views of your repeating ground textures not just in a trailer but as the main focus needs to be fired. But I'd imagine you could drop most of GF's staff without any real trouble.

Change the thread title, there's no grieving when the whole funeral's fucking the corpse.

Jeez, did a pikachu piss in your cereal or something? This may come as a shock, but we're not all graphics whores.

Most of the "corpse fucking" is due to Game Freak taking their next main line game in a new direction and what was shown being fairly promising.

 

[BaldGoon]

You are 100% coping if you insist that Legends (graphically) looks like anything but shit. Stop pretending. Whoever the fuck thought it was a good idea to put bird's-eye views of your repeating ground textures not just in a trailer but as the main focus needs to be fired. But I'd imagine you could drop most of GF's staff without any real trouble.

Change the thread title, there's no grieving when the whole funeral's fucking the corpse.

Legends do look promising, certainly more than BDSP which won't be the definitive Sinnoh experience. Still this is Game Freak we're talking about so they will probably fuck it up anyway.

 

[The Iconoclast]

In case anyone's really curious what they're gonna do with post-gen 4 pokemon in BDSP, let me share my two cents;

If this outsourced studio is looking to implement fairy type, then I don't think there's any conceivable way they can avoid implementing Sylveon, since Eevee evolves into Sylveon when it knows a fairy move. Likewise, if they implement regional forms, and if the first 493 pokemon are in the game, then I don't see how they can avoid including sirfetch'd and obstagoon, pre-gen 4 pokemon who evolve from one of the first 493 pokemon too. Their solution would have to be either to disallow regional forms or include certain pokemon from after DP. There's also the new Hisuian(?) forms like the Basculin evolution and the Stantler evolution and the new (old? Lol) Growlithe forms.

As for whether or not they'll include the new Legends Arceus pokemon in the mainline games, I wouldn't get my hopes up, at least for Sword and Shield. This is Game Freak, who, despite the existence and prominence of remote updates, refused to implement the ORAS mega evolutions in XY. They're legendarily fucking lazy.

I'm also very curious as to what they're gonna do with Pal Park, since obviously it can't be used in the same capacity as it was in the original DPPt games... unless they're planning to make it so you can only import 6 pokemon a day from Pokemon Bank. Lol

Anyway that's something to ponder until these games come out. I'll likely get Shining Pearl, since I had Pearl when I was younger.

Till then.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

As for whether or not they'll include the new Legends Arceus pokemon in the mainline games, I wouldn't get my hopes up, at least for Sword and Shield. This is Game Freak, who, despite the existence and prominence of remote updates, refused to implement the ORAS mega evolutions in XY. They're legendarily fucking lazy.

Regional forms aren't main game gimmicks. If the regional forms from gen 7 are still around then I don't see why they can't bullshit a reason for these forms to still be usable. Then again, this may be the only time where they have a somewhat acceptable excuse to not migrate Legends' variants to later or earlier games.

 

[Disc]

I was watching someone go over what was shown from the Presents and the one thing that bothered me about that video was them saying that they thought Stanler's design was hideous.

I understand that people have their likes and dislikes with pokemon designs, but seriously?

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This is hideous?

When we currently have greatest contender for most unappealing design right here (according to the people I've seen talk about it)?
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Stantler doesn't look bad to me, but it's easy to see why it does: the beak-like nose and face structure in general.

As for Bruxish, good god does that thing look gross. It's the garish colours and especially the human-like lips and teeth, as opposed to even just slightly more fishlike ones like Goldeen. It's like those moments in a disney animation when a human character turns into an animal but you can see the human's traits and design come through... except that human is a 50 year old celebrity who was a hasbeen even when the 80's workout tape they came from was produced.

Generally, for me, I can appreciate any Pokemon design that I understand why it's made like that. Though I don't mind Togepi, Vullaby makes a lot more sense to me, as it's clearly based on that image of baby birds hatching and squawking while still in the egg. Mandibuzz's "bone diaper" is clearly meant to be it's nest.

Incineroar I feel is a design maligned more because of other preceding fire starters than Incineroar himself. Even @Don't @ Me 's response has a hint of that. And if having the inspiration of Wukong is enough to excuse Infernape, then @Don't @ Me might be surprised to learn that the wrestling-themed incineroar is based on Tiger Mask, a comic book character evolved into a wrestler persona that's lived from 1968 to today.

He's also likely the inspiration behind Kemono Michi's mc wrestler and even has a reference character in ace attorney. And probably many others too.

Just because you don't know the reference doesn't mean that they're not making one, @Don't @ Me

If we're talking about bad designs, though, can we talk about the time that, rather than any sort of subtle version or reference, they just straight up gave Toxel a diaper?

I mean come on. You have rockstar-themed evolved forms for a Pokemon and their pre-evo is a literal pantshitter? Not anything cooler or anything thematic? Maybe they could have made it some pre-evolution before a professional musician, like an amateur musician or a drummer. Nope, instead we get the baby in it's most literal form yet.

 

[Love Machine]

Stantler doesn't look bad to me, but it's easy to see why it does: the beak-like nose and face structure in general.

As for Bruxish, good god does that thing look gross. It's the garish colours and especially the human-like lips and teeth, as opposed to even just slightly more fishlike ones like Goldeen. It's like those moments in a disney animation when a human character turns into an animal but you can see the human's traits and design come through... except that human is a 50 year old celebrity who was a hasbeen even when the 80's workout tape they came from was produced.

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Generally, for me, I can appreciate any Pokemon design that I understand why it's made like that. Though I don't mind Togepi, Vullaby makes a lot more sense to me, as it's clearly based on that image of baby birds hatching and squawking while still in the egg. Mandibuzz's "bone diaper" is clearly meant to be it's nest.

Incineroar I feel is a design maligned more because of other preceding fire starters than Incineroar himself. Even @Don't @ Me 's response has a hint of that. And if having the inspiration of Wukong is enough to excuse Infernape, then @Don't @ Me might be surprised to learn that the wrestling-themed incineroar is based on Tiger Mask, a comic book character evolved into a wrestler persona that's lived from 1968 to today.

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He's also likely the inspiration behind Kemono Michi's mc wrestler and even has a reference character in ace attorney. And probably many others too.

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Just because you don't know the reference doesn't mean that they're not making one, @Don't @ Me

If we're talking about bad designs, though, can we talk about the time that, rather than any sort of subtle version or reference, they just straight up gave Toxel a diaper?

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I mean come on. You have rockstar-themed evolved forms for a Pokemon and their pre-evo is a literal pantshitter? Not anything cooler or anything thematic? Maybe they could have made it some pre-evolution before a professional musician, like an amateur musician or a drummer. Nope, instead we get the baby in it's most literal form yet.

Don't bad mouth on toxel you shit flinging ape

 

[The Iconoclast]

Regional forms aren't main game gimmicks. If the regional forms from gen 7 are still around then I don't see why they can't bullshit a reason for these forms to still be usable. Then again, this may be the only time where they have a somewhat acceptable excuse to not migrate Legends' variants to later or earlier games.

The thing that kinda flips me up is that there are regional forms with different or extra evolutions, like Perrserker, Sirfetched, and Obstagoon, which, if those pre-evolved regional forms are included, then they can't avoid including those evolved forms either. I think it'd be kinda awkward though, if they were planning on including the Nat. Dex up to 493, to skip a few hundred pokedex entries after Arceus just to account for them in the dex. It might be confusing to kids and normies, cus then they'll be like "Why is there a gap in numbers between 493 and 862?? Where are the pokemon between?"

Maybe they'll take the SwSh route and just simply not put them in the dex while still putting them in the game, like what SwSh did with the legendaries, I dunno.

 

[Don't @ Me]

Incineroar I feel is a design maligned more because of other preceding fire starters than Incineroar himself. Even @Don't @ Me 's response has a hint of that. And if having the inspiration of Wukong is enough to excuse Infernape, then @Don't @ Me might be surprised to learn that the wrestling-themed incineroar is based on Tiger Mask, a comic book character evolved into a wrestler persona that's lived from 1968 to today.

That is pretty cool, but I wasn't talking about whether it was a good or bad design, it was just about what designs were "hideous", as vague as that is. Probably could've emphasized that more. I gave Incineroar more flak than it deserves, sure. I just remember when I was playing through Moon, I chose Litten because I wanted a badass big cat, and was not expecting cat-man. My initial reaction was disappointment, and how its proportions weirded me out.

I don't hate its design, especially if it is based on a cool masked wrestler, I just wish Torracat gave some reference to that then, like you said with Toxel and not looking anything like a rockstar. It's like they designed the last evolution and went "Oh shit, wait, we need other ones, don't we?"

If I ever play through my Ultra Sun, I'd probably still pick Litten, even if Incineroar's not exactly what I wanted. On the point of Infernape and Wukong though, I more meant that I gave it a pass because even though it's clearly based on Wukong, it still looks like a monkey, not just a monkey-dude. If that makes any sense.

 

[XANA]

I'd probably go for Oshawott. I'm just a fan of water-types in general and even though Samurott's moveset kind of sucks, it's hard to beat annihilating everything with a booster Surf. Rowlett is a close second because I chose him for my SwSh playthrough, though.

 

[TurkishOreo]

I never understood the Samurott hate. It’s awesome and I feel it would be appreciated a lot more if it was its own Pokemon line and not part of Oshawott’s line. The thing is, if Oshawott’s final form was bipedal people would bitch about it being furry bait.

Samurott is based on sea lions while Osha and Dewott are based on otters.

A gamefreak dev was visiting the zoo and got distracted by sea lions while thinking about Oshawott's final evolution.

Go figure out the rest.

 

[SnowBall]

I know. That’s why I said I feel it would probably be appreciated a lot more if it was not a part of the evolution line and was its own thing.

 

[Juan's Sombrero]

This is what I currently use in my playthrough of the SoulSilver Battle Frontier, and what I will also use in Platinum.

I won't post their movesets, but here's a hint. All of them were built around OU and Uber tiers from Smogon.

 

[Coelacanth]

This is what I currently use in my playthrough of the SoulSilver Battle Frontier, and what I will also use in Platinum. View attachment 2486839View attachment 2486840View attachment 2486841View attachment 2486842View attachment 2486843View attachment 2486863

I won't post their movesets, but here's a hint. All of them were built around OU and Uber tiers from Smogon.

Based Togekiss user.

If I decide to get Legends the choice between starters is going to be very hard for me thanks to all three of them being starters I really love. I might leave it to an RNG to decide which one to go for in the end if I'm not certain on what I want.

 

[Minecraft Axolotl]

Probably going to go with Oshawott to give him a second chance at being something worthwhile
Not that I didn't like him before but this really could be his time to shine