Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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PKHeX is compatable with SwSh lmao

A little later than I thought it would be though tbh

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People who say that didn't get to Nessa's water gym and take Razor Shell to the face from her Dreadnaw. I barely survived that fight 6-3 with level & type advantaged pokemon.

GameFreak really reminds me of Blizzard right now, they keep implementing new systems or features and give them up almost as quickly as they build them. Regardless, I felt a little genuine hype fighting the first gym leader when the crowd starts cheering, the music plays and you both Dynamax for the first time(in the story at least). Probably an achievement of sound design more than anything, but it's a nice moment even if it's just Z-moving under a new name.
Pokemon reminds me of Madden and other yearly sports titles in the sense they add features, remove them, add them again, then remove them again. Dig around the sportsball gamer community and you'll find lists of features removed from madden and more lists of features.

Pokemon is the same way. It's a yearly half baked title with numerous quality of life features added and removed each gen. They don't keep the features in the game to make the biggest and best Pokemon game ever, so there are some Pokemon fans asking every single year "where the fuck is my Battle Frontier at?" While some omissions were forced in both cases (Pokemon's Game Corner and Madden's ambulances come to mind) a lot were due to sheer laziness and the fact they shit these games out yearly. The only difference is Pokemon is praised by tons of shills online while Madden is the longest running joke in gaming.
 
The stat power creep this gen is real but most of the new Pokemon have horrible movesets. Corviknight is literally a better Skarmory with pressure BUT it doesn't have shit like spikes or whirlwind. Also it actually has nasty plot and good special STABs but only 50 something special attack.
In my sun/moon official monthly online tourneys I never encountered anything like the Skarmory spikes/whirlwind cycling. If the move removal is for changing the meta, I'm tentatively supportive of it but I haven't experienced any really stale play other then everyone sporting a Tapu that their team revolves around when they were allowed.

My only false swiper so far was a wild Ninjask; not ideal but I'm rolling with it.
 
I can foresee two outcomes.

The optimist route: The next set of games has all the mons back and GF tries to pull a EVERYONE IS HERE! and/or treat it like a revolutionary brand new feature.

The pessimist route: They stay the course and you're forced to go through Pokemon Prison for a marginally larger number of mons.

Honestly, I'm still not entirely sure which one will happen. The pessimist outcome is easy to pick out but there's still the glimmer of hope in me that Dexit really did come down to massive time crunch and general incompetence and the whole "This is how it's going to be forever" statement they did repeatedly was just the worst PR move in the history of PR moves. It could be argued they didn't want to say "Not all the Pokemon are here but they will be for the following titles" because they feared people wouldn't buy the initial games of a gen and just wait for the next set but, they still pissed off a lot of fans anyway so maybe they thought the former was the lesser of two evils somehow?

I don't know... Every time I mull over this there's plenty of reasons to suggest either outcome. But I'd be lying if I said the pessimist one doesn't look more and more likely at this point. Between Masuda's statements just last year of not wanting to cut mons, Home popping up out of nowhere when Bank was supposed to be the future of transfers for quite some time, so many Kanto mons missing despite them all being in Let's Go and SWSH's engine allegedly being based off of it (and it's not like they left them out to avoid favoritism when Kanto got extra shilling anyway), hell even data for the national dex being in the damn game, it all just adds up far too much.
 
Pokemon reminds me of Madden and other yearly sports titles in the sense they add features, remove them, add them again, then remove them again. Dig around the sportsball gamer community and you'll find lists of features removed from madden and more lists of features.

Pokemon is the same way. It's a yearly half baked title with numerous quality of life features added and removed each gen. They don't keep the features in the game to make the biggest and best Pokemon game ever, so there are some Pokemon fans asking every single year "where the fuck is my Battle Frontier at?" While some omissions were forced in both cases (Pokemon's Game Corner and Madden's ambulances come to mind) a lot were due to sheer laziness and the fact they shit these games out yearly. The only difference is Pokemon is praised by tons of shills online while Madden is the longest running joke in gaming.

What's especially galling is that with X and Y, they reversed the trend, at least for a little while. You were literally playing the game within minutes, you could access trading facilities and super training out the gate, and the game as a whole was much more user-friendly an experience. Everything was at your fingertips with little roadblocked by progress walls. It's a game that respected your time, unlike Black and White which basically did nothing but delay shit constantly. It felt like someone was finally paying attention to what the community wanted for a change.

.....So you can imagine my surprise when Sun and Moon had none of that, tutorialized everything, had long boring unskippable cutscenes, progress walled basically every major function of the game for fucking stupid reasons and did everything possible to prevent players from accessing the main toolkit out the gate. Basically everything of value in X and Y from a usability standpoint got binned because fuck you and replaced with infinitely shittier versions that were worse by every single metric. The only connecting aspect? The things that got axed were all things that the hardcore fans liked. There was a message there: That Game Freak wanted to steer the player's experience, not let the player have their own adventure on their own terms - You will use what we give you, when we give you it, how we want you to, and you will not deviate from the railroad. And to that I say fuck yourself. Pokemon always worked better when it gave you a starter, a goal, and a toolkit and told you to go find your own adventure in the process. All the games in the series I loved, from Red all the way up to X and Y, understood that and didn't saddle me down with faffing around like a tard. All the games in the series I hated (Black and White, Sun and Moon) did the exact fucking opposite.

I felt like Pokemon was increasingly becoming not for me, and that's fine. It's not like I don't have a back-catalogue of games a mile long by now. I was already guarded against Sword and Shield because I knew that odds were good that the game was just going to waste more fucking time for no reason and on pointless side content no one cared about, just like Black and White did and just like Sun and Moon did. That's exactly what fucking happened, of course; I watched a let's play of SwSh and laughed my ass off when I saw that there was a long unskippable cutscene right after Pokemon selection to make it harder for players to save scum for a female.

For Madden, the doom of the series came when EA realized that they could literally re-release the same game with a roster update and stupid sports fans would buy it. Game Freak with Pokemon isn't dissimilar in this regard, but instead of simply releasing the same game over and over, they have been changing it - and making it a more hand-holdy, linear experience that will not keep content that players actually like. I can't say what's motivating them to do this, but I do know that it makes absolutely clear that they don't care about what their players want, and that's arguably just as bad.
 
In my sun/moon official monthly online tourneys I never encountered anything like the Skarmory spikes/whirlwind cycling. If the move removal is for changing the meta, I'm tentatively supportive of it but I haven't experienced any really stale play other then everyone sporting a Tapu that their team revolves around when they were allowed.

My only false swiper so far was a wild Ninjask; not ideal but I'm rolling with it.
Without actually knowing spikes/whirlwind was a thing I used it to do a 1v5 sweep with Skarmory as my last pokemon against one of my friends in simulator gen 5. He had a Metagross and a Ferrothorn both with iron defense and leftovers as his last two Pokemon, and with luck/skill I managed to kill both of them with phasing them on spikes. Skarmory is one of the Pokemon that triggers him to this day, along with Wobbuffet and Scrafty.
 
I think Nintendo is going to go on a banning spree and shut all this fan made shit down.

This is a bigger deal than the Smash brothers mods.
 
Reminder that Gamefreak also released TOWN this year.
Yeah that game that I bet you already forgot. They took away half their company to make it, and most people say it was shit.
Hopefully the modding scene will cause Nintendo to do some investigating of how competent game freak are as a developer because the sales are sadly doing well.
Sad thing is I had hope for town and that turned out really bad
So it officially happened., someone decided to set themselves on fire outside a Gamestop, in protest of Game Freak's changes in Pokemon Sw/Sh. Hope he actually didnt set himself on fire. His tweets are pure gold.


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This is more of an asspull when araki tried to make him want to obtain heaven
I can foresee two outcomes.

The optimist route: The next set of games has all the mons back and GF tries to pull a EVERYONE IS HERE! and/or treat it like a revolutionary brand new feature.

The pessimist route: They stay the course and you're forced to go through Pokemon Prison for a marginally larger number of mons.

Honestly, I'm still not entirely sure which one will happen. The pessimist outcome is easy to pick out but there's still the glimmer of hope in me that Dexit really did come down to massive time crunch and general incompetence and the whole "This is how it's going to be forever" statement they did repeatedly was just the worst PR move in the history of PR moves. It could be argued they didn't want to say "Not all the Pokemon are here but they will be for the following titles" because they feared people wouldn't buy the initial games of a gen and just wait for the next set but, they still pissed off a lot of fans anyway so maybe they thought the former was the lesser of two evils somehow?

I don't know... Every time I mull over this there's plenty of reasons to suggest either outcome. But I'd be lying if I said the pessimist one doesn't look more and more likely at this point. Between Masuda's statements just last year of not wanting to cut mons, Home popping up out of nowhere when Bank was supposed to be the future of transfers for quite some time, so many Kanto mons missing despite them all being in Let's Go and SWSH's engine allegedly being based off of it (and it's not like they left them out to avoid favoritism when Kanto got extra shilling anyway), hell even data for the national dex being in the damn game, it all just adds up far too much.
Masuda's a softie, guy nearly passed out over gen 3 when pokemania died down, the guy is aware of how the community reacts and stuff, I do feel the dex shit is going to get reversed for two reasons
1. easy PR
2. they don't want to be outdone by modders (same shit happened when project m brought back mewtwo and roy for smash, magically they are in smash 4 :thinking:)
I think Nintendo is going to go on a banning spree and shut all this fan made shit down.

This is a bigger deal than the Smash brothers mods.
I mean they have tried, and failed before, plus in the case of pokemon its like a hydra for fan projects
 
I’m hearing that Bulbasaur and Squirtle are actually in the game despite the leaks. Can anyone confirm?
Yea I think it was revealed that there were more pokemon in the download data, and that the lists that were going around were all pokemon that were present on the cart
 
I’m hearing that Bulbasaur and Squirtle are actually in the game despite the leaks. Can anyone confirm?
There are specifically 35 "extra" mons in the game that aren't in the dex itself. Among them are the other Kanto starters, Alola starters, some of the Unova and Alola legendaries, most of the mythicals and a couple other random odds and ends. Notably some movesets were even updated for them. Blastoise gets Shell Smash and Venusaur gets Earth Power and Weather Ball. Probably for future events and raids or whatever.
 
People who say that didn't get to Nessa's water gym and take Razor Shell to the face from her Dreadnaw. I barely survived that fight 6-3 with level & type advantaged pokemon.
Man, really? I OHKO'd that thing with my Roselia. Granted I Dynamax'd it, but I'm sure a single regular move would still do it since 4x weakness and level 26/27 vs 24. If you want a tough one, Kabu was that, I was lucky to get double Toxic Spikes thanks to Arcanine getting parahax'd, but the fact I had no Water-Type forced me to waste some turns on Centiskorch while the poison dealt with it. Though I was mainly fucking around, by throwing in my two Grass-Types in first.

PKHeX is compatable with SwSh lmao

A little later than I thought it would be though tbh

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Off-topic but I fucking love this commit from yesterday:
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Get fucked, Coraline.
 
So what's this on limiting the critters you can catch? I know it used to be based on what you could buy.
Before this game you could catch literally anything at any level. This game it restricts you from catching Pokémon above certain level, requiring you to get badges to catch higher level Pokémon (25 at one badge, 30 at two, 35 at three, and so on). Needless to say, no one likes this mechanic at all, especially since it can make you unable to catch a shiny. Or well, the game was SUPPOSED to prevent you from finding shinies if the Pokémon is too high level, but Game Freak fucked that one up too.
 
Before this game you could catch literally anything at any level. This game it restricts you from catching Pokémon above certain level, requiring you to get badges to catch higher level Pokémon (25 at one badge, 30 at two, 35 at three, and so on). Needless to say, no one likes this mechanic at all, especially since it can make you unable to catch a shiny. Or well, the game was SUPPOSED to prevent you from finding shinies if the Pokémon is too high level, but Game Freak fucked that one up too.
The first one is kind of justifiable, but it proves that GF is being more autistic than usual: You couldn't trade pokemon that were above an certain level without it flipping you off all the time.
 
The first one is kind of justifiable, but it proves that GF is being more autistic than usual: You couldn't trade pokemon that were above an certain level without it flipping you off all the time.
I don't think it's justified. If you can catch a ridiculously overleveled mon, you should be able to use it. It's the reward for overcoming the challenege, either by being overleveled yourself, clever, or just plain lucky. Linking the gym badges to traded pokemon made sense. This seems like a hamhanded attempt at forcing you along a certain progression path in an otherwise open world.
 
first western eceleb with a crash
The anons at /vp/ have been keeping a gen 8 tech issues list, here it is for posterity's sake, quite an interesting read from what I glanced at
 
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I watched a let's play of SwSh and laughed my ass off when I saw that there was a long unskippable cutscene right after Pokemon selection to make it harder for players to save scum for a female.

If you save just before walking up to the Pokemon, and you have the "ask to nickname your Pokemon" option turned on (can't believe that's an option, now), you can check in the naming section the gender without having to wait through a long cutscene to get to the battle. Took my brother seven or eight resets before he got a female Sobble.
 
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