Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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Archeops said:
Seeing as how the "Bring Back the National Dex" hashtag was trending Twitter after Masuda made the announcement, there's a good chance they may have shat on the bed a bit too hard this time.
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Not gonna disagree that it's a dumb move, but people are really blowing it out of proportion.

Honestly, this slacktivism is really just getting annoying. Oh, you've got a twitter hashtag trending?

Congrats...

What's that going to do other than pester the developers who may not have had a choice in this. Heck, for all we know, this could've been decided by business heads. Not like that hasn't happened before.
 
Damn, look at that amazing wing animation!
 
OddEyes said:
Not gonna disagree that it's a dumb move, but people are really blowing it out of proportion.

Honestly, this slacktivism is really just getting annoying. Oh, you've got a twitter hashtag trending?

Congrats...
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People are also sending complaints to both Nintendo and TPCi via their support channels and are getting responses from the latter, so they know it's an issue that people are taking to heart. I've also been hearing rumors about potential picketing/protesting at this year's Pokemon World Championships.
Ido said:
Damn, look at that amazing wing animation!
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And that's one of the reasons why people believe Game Freak is full of shit.
 
Ido said:
Damn, look at that amazing wing animation!
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Actually people forget a few things about this pokemon in particular:

Catching sea winds with its long wings, it soars as if it were a glider. It folds its wings to rest.

They're glider pokemon.

Also, we've seen other bird/flying pokemon moving in these trailers/game play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBYORdr_TY8 1:01 Corvknight, oh and
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If people are really going to complain about the Wingull, a pokemon that's canon lore is that it's body is light enough to maintain flight by gliding... While ignoring the others that we've seen...

Well, that's just cherrpicking.

That's like complaining that Steelix is floating in the trailers... Even though logically it shouldn't.

That's like claiming the double kick animation is representative of the 'animation' of the games, even though in that same video, we saw a much more expressive move when Scorbunny used ember.

You can complain about it sure, but at the very least, remember that people are cherrypicking a pay demo that may or may not be representative of the final product or at the very least... consider the pokemon that you're talking about.

Now watch as I get labeled autistic.
 
OddEyes said:
That's like claiming the double kick animation is representative of the 'animation' of the games, even though in that same video, we saw a much more expressive move when Scorbunny used ember.
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Now that you mention it, that's always been the case for multihitting moves. In the previous generations, the moves like fury swipes, bullet seed and icicle spear, were all given little hops instead of an animation. I'm sure there were people that complained about it back then, but I doubt it was to the extent of what it is right now, it was probably much smaller. If there wasn't many people complaining about it then, I don't see why people complain about it this much now.
 
OddEyes said:
Actually people forget a few things about this pokemon in particular:

Catching sea winds with its long wings, it soars as if it were a glider. It folds its wings to rest.

They're glider pokemon.

Also, we've seen other bird/flying pokemon moving in these trailers/game play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBYORdr_TY8 1:01 Corvknight, oh and
Butterfree at 1:04

If people are really going to complain about the Wingull, a pokemon that's canon lore is that it's body is light enough to maintain flight by gliding... While ignoring the others that we've seen...

Well, that's just cherrpicking.

That's like complaining that Steelix is floating in the trailers... Even though logically it shouldn't.

That's like claiming the double kick animation is representative of the 'animation' of the games, even though in that same video, we saw a much more expressive move when Scorbunny used ember.

You can complain about it sure, but at the very least, remember that people are cherrypicking a pay demo that may or may not be representative of the final product or at the very least... consider the pokemon that you're talking about.

Now watch as I get labeled autistic.
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Imo some of the birds animations are janky, Talonflames right wing clips through his body and has ever since he was released, Swellow looks awkward constantly fast gliding... doduo jumping up In Colosseum and just standing in the air while using fly. Xatu just not flapping its wings, nor is skarmory- but he was standing in Colosseum, which I prefer to him always flying.

There are probably more but wingull turning on a dime is just always going to be funny to me the same way fish pokemon "flying" was to young me when playing Colosseum. Pokemon are meant to look cool not reflect 100% accurately how gravity works but I'm still going to laugh if i think it looks kind of funny.
 
Ido said:
Imo some of the birds animations are janky, Talonflames right wing clips through his body and has ever since he was released, Swellow looks awkward constantly fast gliding... doduo jumping up In Colosseum and just standing in the air while using fly. Xatu just not flapping its wings, nor is skarmory- but he was standing in Colosseum, which I prefer to him always flying.

There are probably more but wingull turning on a dime is just always going to be funny to me the same way fish pokemon "flying" was to young me when playing Colosseum. Pokemon are meant to look cool not reflect 100% accurately how gravity works but I'm still going to laugh if i think it looks kind of funny.
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And that's perfectly fine, but the problem is when people are taking that one single flying pokemon that glides... And use that to say that the rest of the game is lazy, when there are other pokemon that we've seen that are contrary.

Also, speaking of Doduo... Remember, it could fly in RB, but Charizard couldn't.

And I'd have to dust off my copy, but I could swear that Dodrio's was funnier, since it was running in the air... I might be mis-remembering that.

Nauseated Courgi said:
Now that you mention it, that's always been the case for multihitting moves. In the previous generations, the moves like fury swipes, bullet seed and icicle spear, were all given little hops instead of an animation. I'm sure there were people that complained about it back then, but I doubt it was to the extent of what it is right now, it was probably much smaller. If there wasn't many people complaining about it then, I don't see why people complain about it this much now.
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But Courgi, how are we supposed to complain if we don't complain about things that we were good with before?

To be serious on that point, its because people are zeroing in on the "we wanted to focus more on the animations", and because of people like Shofu who decided to cherrypick that one scene, everyone's focusing on just that one more and in the battle scene...

Ignoring the fact that we've seen things like Scorbunny fist bumping the MC, that camping feature, the outer world... And even the Ember move that Scorbunny does.

It's kinda why I hate poketubers. They love to cherrypick, even when its dumb stuff like this, just so they can drum up support. I even saw that dolt Poketips have a video saying "GameFreak Doubles down" on the situation... When that's not how doubling down works, especially since the article that he took it from came on the heels of the announcement of the limited dex
 
Violence Jack said:
They really want you to be invested in these boring characters that have the depth of a puddle while pacing the cutscenes as if they were voiced.
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In B2W2, you got to Elesa's gym. It's a huge walkway slowly building up to her as the music is constantly shifitng from one funky beat to another, lights going on and off and giving the whole thing a realistic sense of pizzazz.

It's all well and fine. Pretty neat gym but nothing speci-

Nope. You beat Elesa, the crowd goes wild and starts celebrating you music reaches a fever pitch and just as it starts to feel awkward and you walk away Elesa goes up to you and asks you to go down the walkway with her as all of this is happening. And it. Is. *Awesome.*

Shit like this is why I will always say Gen 5 is the peak of the series. Everything it did was so fucking extra and both games are phenomenal RPG experiences because of it. They didn't have to do 90% of the shit they did in Unova because Gen 4 already proved Game Freak has a permanent hold on our wallets. But they still chose to go through with dozens of interesting and spectacular moments like this and the game is so much better for it.

This kind of ingenious spark of unecessary but graciously accepted creativity has been missing for years now, and I think Gen 7 really started to make people feel this.
 
X-Shaped Weeaboo said:
In B2W2, you got to Elesa's gym. It's a huge walkway slowly building up to her as the music is constantly shifitng from one funky beat to another, lights going on and off and giving the whole thing a realistic sense of pizzazz.

It's all well and fine. Pretty neat gym but nothing speci-

Nope. You beat Elesa, the crowd goes wild and starts celebrating you music reaches a fever pitch and just as it starts to feel awkward and you walk away Elesa goes up to you and asks you to go down the walkway with her as all of this is happening. And it. Is. *Awesome.*

Shit like this is why I will always say Gen 5 is the peak of the series. Everything it did was so fucking extra and both games are phenomenal RPG experiences because of it. They didn't have to do 90% of the shit they did in Unova because Gen 4 already proved Game Freak has a permanent hold on our wallets. But they still chose to go through with dozens of interesting and spectacular moments like this and the game is so much better for it.

This kind of ingenious spark of unecessary but graciously accepted creativity has been missing for years now, and I think Gen 7 really started to make people feel this.
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Well, the problem was... That a lot of fans didn't like the Generation 5 games. It wasn't that they are bad games (hell, I still play them and I've gotten into the rom hacks of the games, Highly Recommend Blaze Black/Volt White and their sequels if you're interested and are looking for a real challenge), but it was due to the fact that people kept complaining what is essentially a diet version of the problem we're facing currently.

That you couldn't play with your favorite old school pokemon in BW.

Yes, there is a big difference between the two situations, but they stem from a similar mindset if you ask me. And it's not like we haven't seen this complaint before, Ruby and Sapphire got the same treatment - with only about 60 or so pokemon that were available in the previous two generations being available with the new roster of monsters.

Pokemon Black and White was an attempt at a soft core reboot for the series, hence why there was just as many new pokemon as there were in the original titles (if you count mew as well), and people didn't like it.

Honestly, I think that complaint is what caused Gens 6 and 7 to have a heavy emphasis on appealing to Generation 1 - Most of the megas were for Gen 1 pokemon, you got a second starter in XY that was the original trio, all the call backs to Gen 1 (Red and Blue showing up in Sun and Moon as well as Team Rocket).

If you ask me, I'd love to see what would happen if they released a soft-reboot core side game of pokemon that was filled with nothing but original pokemon and maintained the original gameplay. And before you get on my case with that, I'd like to point out all of the fan games that are highly praised, with a good chunk of them being filled with nothing but fakemon in them.

Heck, to save time and money, why not just go back to original 2-d pixel art. There's obviously a market for those kinds of games, even the buds at Nintendo know that, otherwise why would they have things that have those art styles on sale on the E-Shop?
 
OddEyes said:
Heck, to save time and money, why not just go back to original 2-d pixel art. There's obviously a market for those kinds of games, even the buds at Nintendo know that, otherwise why would they have things that have those art styles on sale on the E-Shop?
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They shoul've never went 3D in the first place - for spin-offs, maybe, but part of the charm older games had was that every pokemon that was called in battle dialed character with its pose. Now they just...plop out and stand there.
 
UnsufficentBoobage said:
They shoul've never went 3D in the first place - for spin-offs, maybe, but part of the charm older games had was that every pokemon that was called in battle dialed character with its pose. Now they just...plop out and stand there.
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Unfortunately, that's something you can blame the fandom as well - well, that and everything now having to be 3-D now-a-days.

Seriously, EVERYTHING needs to be in 3-d is something I never liked. Some games, yes, 3-d works.

Pokemon... Wasn't really one of those games.

Give me beautiful spritework any day.
 
UnsufficentBoobage said:
They shoul've never went 3D in the first place - for spin-offs, maybe, but part of the charm older games had was that every pokemon that was called in battle dialed character with its pose. Now they just...plop out and stand there.
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OddEyes said:
Unfortunately, that's something you can blame the fandom as well - well, that and everything now having to be 3-D now-a-days.

Seriously, EVERYTHING needs to be in 3-d is something I never liked. Some games, yes, 3-d works.

Pokemon... Wasn't really one of those games.

Give me beautiful spritework any day.
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3D has worked for pokemon games in the past as mentioned before - Pokemon Colosseum and XD: Gale of Darkness are prime examples - but I can't help but agree with you lot. I'm a sucker for pixel art anyway, but I'm not going to lie the games looked a lot more stylized in pixel graphics than in 3D. The 3D style looks stiff to me - and it's very copy and paste. Hell, go and watch the cutscenes in the modern pokemon games that clearly weren't made for the ads and compare them to the cutscenes from, say, Black/White/B2/W2 (or even Platinum now that I think about it) and look at how different the movement is.

The sad thing is that 3D is generally inoffensive and bland when it comes to things made for kids - pokemon is no exception to the rule. Because of that it's seen as far more marketable than other styles of animation or graphics. Quite sad, really, because when 3D is done right it can be incredible like with the graphics in Super Mario Odyssey.
 
Coelacanth said:
3D has worked for pokemon games in the past as mentioned before - Pokemon Colosseum and XD: Gale of Darkness are prime examples - but I can't help but agree with you lot.
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Technically, there's a big difference with those games...

They were developed by Genius Sorority, not Gamefreak.

Gamefreak's strongest titles in the pokemon games are their pixel games. Back then, they could easily have more creative freedom.

Cause, let's face it, 2d art can be done A LOT quicker than 3D development.
 
OddEyes said:
Unfortunately, that's something you can blame the fandom as well - well, that and everything now having to be 3-D now-a-days.

Seriously, EVERYTHING needs to be in 3-d is something I never liked. Some games, yes, 3-d works.

Pokemon... Wasn't really one of those games.

Give me beautiful spritework any day.
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Another thing I love about Gen V is that the sprites move in battle but they still have personality and idle poses. Though to be honest the only other Pokemon game with good sprite animations was Crystal. Gen III and IV just had the sprites stretch and jump. Speaking of Gen V I liked that they weren't any older Pokemon in the beginning. Unova was the first region to not be based off Japan and making it a soft reboot gives off the impression that it is far away from the previous regions.

It's a shame they ditched the 2D. I'm not one of those "2D is better than 3D" people but it's a real shame people bashed Game Freak so hard for staying with 2D graphics and demanded they "get with the times" and switch to 3D. Besides even Gen IV and V weren't fully 2D from what I remember.

I don't know how true that Reddit post is but if it there is truth to it I kind of see Game Freak in a bit of a better light. Again still taking this with a huge grain of salt.
 
On the other end of the spectrum to Game Freak cutting Pokemon in Sword and Shield, we have the bootlickers, such as our good furry friend Verlisify, sperging out on how Game Freak can seemingly do no wrong and that everyone upset are just "entitled brats":
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Based on these two videos, he definitely seems to think that when people say "catchable", they mean Pokemon that are able to exist in the game, not that you can literally catch them. I can't tell if he's being dishonest about this discrepancy or if he actually is just that retarded - but given on how much he seems to take pride in "only reporting facts", I'm inclined to believe the latter.
 
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