Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

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....ancient johto would be cool for a legends game. See the tower before, or just after, it burns n shit.
Plus we could settle what the hell the Legendary Dogs were before Ho-oh made them, well, The Legendary Dogs.

Mostly because it’d make some Fan Theorists seethe, and I find that funny.
Only Kanto Pokémon got Regional Variants.
I knew there was something I was missing, but I cared so little for Alola I couldn’t be bothered to look it up.
 
I thought that was a contrivance added by Legends Arceus to explain how apricorn Poke Balls worked. It's weird that most Pokemon can't learn Minimize when they all have the innate ability to shrink, especially when almost all of them could learn Toxic before SwSh.
Nah, it's actually something from an ancient Red/Green Pokedex book written by Creatures back in 1996, and it's restated in a handbook that was given out at a Japanese event in 1998 where you could get a Dragon Rage Magikarp. Poke Balls were invented in 1925 based off research done by Prof. Westwood in Celedon University on his Primeape which showed that Pokemon shrink down when hurt or tired enough, or presented with certain stimuli.

DPP actually references this stuff directly, but it's bungled in the English translation. If you talk to Lucian post-game in Canalave Library, one of the things he can say to you is
I was just reading a collection of observations on Pokémon in the wild. One article addresses the question why Pokémon would go into a Poké Ball. According to this article, this behavior is based on instinct. A weakened Pokémon will curl up tight in an effort to heal itself. The Poké Ball was invented to take advantage of that protective instinct.
The "curl up tight" part is actually supposed to be shrink, but the translator seemingly didn't know this lore and thought "becomes smaller" being literal couldn't be right, so they interpreted it as "curling up". Here's the original Japanese text for reference.
いま よんでいたのは ポケモンについての こうさつを まとめた しょせきです
なぜ ポケモンが モンスターボールに はいるのか?
なんでも この ほんによれば ちいさくなることで よわった たいりょくを かいふくする という ほんのう だということです
そうした ポケモンの せいしつを もとに ボールが つくられたのですね
A literal translation would be something like: "I was reading a book that's a collection of analyses of Pokemon just now. Why do Pokemon enter Poke Balls? Well according to this book, it's because of their instinct to shrink in order to recover their weakened stamina. Poke Balls were created based on this nature of Pokemon."
 
And then XY did the same thing with the Fairy type:
My head canon for an in universe explanation is that things like 'type,' 'power', 'stats', 'physical vs special' and similar concepts are just constructs in universe to make classification easier rather than literal intrinsic parts of the Pokemon's being. Geodude is not a rock type because there is some kind of hard genetic code that says 'rock' but rather it just has all of the characteristics of what we would classify as a rock type. This can also be applied to moves. So you can think of the fairy type as something that was only recently 'discovered' as a concept to classify those pokemon which had a similar previously misunderstood disposition towards interactions with types of moves that isn't readily quantifiable (since hp is a construct and not literal). Maybe in the past they just thought cleffa was normal type and had a weak hp but when it was discovered that moves like close combat do more damage than it should on a statistically signifficant scale, and that there are other pokemon with a similar condition to cleffa, maybe that is when they started debating on creating a new classification.
 
Did Nintendo try to do mechanically unusual Pokemon besides the one with 1 hp or the one that could disguise itself as another Pokemon? It seems to mainly be stat creep and paragraph long abilities.
They do this a lot. No one just remembers them because their gimmick usually makes them bad.

Gen 8:
-Eiscue starts in its slower bulkier Ice Face form then turns into its faster No Ice Form when hit with a physical attack. If Hail/Snow is active it returns to its Ice Face form

-Cramorant swallows a Pikachu or an Arrokuda depending on its HP when it uses Surf or Dive. Then it spits what's in its mouth when hit which either paralyses or lowers defence of whoever hit them.

Gen 9
-In double battles Dondozo eats Tatsugiri if they're both sent out making Tatsugiri untargetable and unable to act but Dondozo gets +2 to all stats making the double battle into a 1v2

-Palafin starts in its weak Zero form then permanently transforms to its strong Hero form once it switches out. Actually a good gimmick mon... just instantly forgotten as soon as formats allowed Urshifu
 
....ancient johto would be cool for a legends game. See the tower before, or just after, it burns n shit.
This is so true. Johto is such a traditionally coded area. The implied lore behind the legendary cats/dogs, Unown, Celebi... Also some tie ins with Sinnoh, because iirc the Sinnoh ruins implied some ties between Sinnoh and johto? I think it has potential.

Eh, but that'd just be feudal Japan, which is what we already got with Hisui.
The thing about hisui is that Hisui was mostly uncultivated by humans and just being scouted. So what we saw is humans trying to adapt to a harsh and feral environment, not everyday life in a feudal inspired pokemon universe.
 
Eh, but that'd just be feudal Japan, which is what we already got with Hisui.
>Feudal Japan
>Going around uncharted territory with a traveler's guild.
I don't think that's very feudal to me.
Also sidenote, WTF is with the Poke Ball timeline in the anime?...Actually nevermind, I don't want to know as time hasn't been kind to those pieces of history.
 
Yeah, Hisui isn't feudal Japan. It's supposed to be like the Pokemon world equivalent to the colonization of Hokkaido, the biggest push of which happened in the late 1800s after the Meiji Revolution, when Japan was a constitutional monarchy that abolished the strict class system that existed before.

By the way, the tower in Johto burnt down 150 years before GSC, so basically around the mid-1800s. If a hypothetical Legends Johto was set while the tower was still around it would need be around then or a bit earlier, I think even primitive Poke Balls would start looking suspect if we went too far back, so probably around 50 to 100 years before Legends Arceus. At that point we would be in the Pokemon world equivalent to the late Edo Period, which was a feudal society.

Y'know, the forced opening of Japanese ports to American ships by Commodore Perry happened 1853~1854, right towards the end of the Edo Period. If you want to be a little spicy, you could have Johto and Kanto ending their isolation via contact with Unovan trade and the flood of ideas and technology that came with it be a part of the game's backdrop.
 
(Though they do still reference some things brought up in that old material, like all Pokemon naturally having the ability to shrink to pocket-size when severely hurt which lead to the development of Pokeballs, or Pokemon eggs not being literal eggs but protective shells they put over newborn Pokemon.)
Th is also the reason why Nidorina nd Nidoqueen cannot breed; old material says tha they cease their breeding ability.
I still would get rid of those aspects in any ROM hack I do, though; a Nidoking breeding with a Nidoran is rather blanat pædosexuality.

Speaking of ROM hacks...
....ancient johto would be cool for a legends game. See the tower before, or just after, it burns n shit.
There is a ROM hack in development wi that same premise:

GS Chronicles and Scorched Silver having similar designs is probably not a coincidence, since they are both GBA remakes of Johto. GS Chronicles is a sequel while Scorched Silver is a reimagining.

All of the Meganium have that cringe-worthy bootleggy look, though GS Chronicles is a little more developed and therefore the least bad.
Both GS and Scorched Typhlosion have interesting elements that look off in their implementation: GS has that smoke make while Scorched Typhlosion has that fire mohawk. Typhlosion Redux has that 'fake leaked screenshot' energy that Meganium Redux has. The least bad one is GS Typhlosion because the thicker fur fits its 'power up', 'feral' nature.
GS and Scorched Feraligatr are bootleggy in different ways: GS Feraligatr is 'Action Replay' bootleggy while Scorched Feraligatr is 'Vast Fame' bootleggy. Feraligat Redux, while still rather goofy due to the rather unaltered head, is the only good one, since the dinosaur form fits Feraligatr's canon design.
 
>Feudal Japan
>Going around uncharted territory with a traveler's guild.
I don't think that's very feudal to me.
Yeah, Hisui isn't feudal Japan. It's supposed to be like the Pokemon world equivalent to the colonization of Hokkaido, the biggest push of which happened in the late 1800s after the Meiji Revolution, when Japan was a constitutional monarchy that abolished the strict class system that existed before.
Even Pokemon Conquest, which is a crossover game with Nobunaga's Ambition - a long-running strategy series set in Feudal Japan - and directly uses historical character analogues from the Sengoku period, isn't feudal. It still has modern technology and one of the stronger characters get Mewtwo as a partner Pokemon.
 
Th is also the reason why Nidorina nd Nidoqueen cannot breed; old material says tha they cease their breeding ability.
I still would get rid of those aspects in any ROM hack I do, though; a Nidoking breeding with a Nidoran is rather blanat pædosexuality.

I remember reading that Nidorina and Nidoqueen originally could not breed due to some programming snafu and they decided to add it to the lore instead of fixing it. Both Nidoria and Nidoqueen have motherly pokedex entries though. I think they should just let them breed already. Just make a regional form that can.
 
I remember reading that Nidorina and Nidoqueen originally could not breed due to some programming snafu and they decided to add it to the lore instead of fixing it. Both Nidoria and Nidoqueen have motherly pokedex entries though. I think they should just let them breed already. Just make a regional form that can.
I must have slipped into a different dimension because I could have SWORN Nidorina could breed, but Nidoqueen couldn't.

Regardless, that makes cannon instances like this really really funny in hindsight.

 
I remember reading that Nidorina and Nidoqueen originally could not breed due to some programming snafu and they decided to add it to the lore instead of fixing it. Both Nidoria and Nidoqueen have motherly pokedex entries though. I think they should just let them breed already. Just make a regional form that can.
You go things backwards: the inability to breed was already in books released before Pokémon Gold and Silver we released.
 
I hate it because I feel like it defeats the fucking essence of Victreebel.
Victreebel is a carnivorous plant, it's the carnivorous plant so big and so aggressive it might just try and eat its own trainer.

Instead of a cooler trap gimmick, bigger mouth, cooler mouth, different plant type (looking at you, Sundew), or anything that plays to Victreebel's reputation as a predator and terror of the jungle, we instead get a sack of acid trying to strangle itself.

Where there's a will there's a way. They could've taken inspiration from other carnivorous plants, there's plenty of species so no need to worry about stepping on Carnivine's toes, like that deep red one with the fancy hat or the tall one with purple striations.
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Some fanmade Megas are decent, even if they're a bit overdesigned. I like the first one's idea of using a Sitrus berry as bait.
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Like these.
Overdesigned, perhaps, but still a strong essence of "yo that thing might literally eat my pokemon".

Also I like the colors on the second.
It looks more like a trans character to me.
This is a 41% joke.
I don't get why people are neg-rating you so hard.
The sprite quality/feel is worse, but I actually absolutely love the idea of Spinosaurus Feraligatr.
It fits too, given Spino's semi-aquatic nature compared to other therapods.
 
Victeribel is pretty much perceived as a meme in Japan, so that's probably why it turned out the way it did

While yes, it is based on a carnivorous plant TPC never really played off of that and instead predominantly portrayed it sounding like a Japanese woman giving birth and I don't even think it ever really battled much.

The anime is kind of what really made the games sell as well as they did early on so for many people all over the world that was their first exposure to the thing and it's partially to blame for Pikachu being the mascot and Charizard getting as much love as it has.
 
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The anime is kind of what really made the games sell as well as they did early on so for many people all over the world that was their first exposure to the thing and it's partially to blame for Pikachu being the mascot and Charizard getting as much love as it has.
Nobody watched the original syndication of the anime. It was very niche. The games are what sold Pokemon. The anime got a boost from the games. Sure, maybe there were some kids that watched it but it was the games that really sold kids. The real reason Pokemon got popular is because they were simply the best Gameboy games out there at the time. There wasn't anything else like Pokemon out at the time. Pokemon was... surprisingly complicated and complex for a Gameboy game. The internet didn't exist and exploration was 90% of what made it so interesting. You never knew what was coming next. Heck, kids thought the glitches were secrets to find out and made up all kinds of fake nonsense.

The anime didn't really pick up speed until it changed channels and networks the following winter after the game's release. What happened was Pokemon after the game release got a lot of spread over the fall, and into Christmas it was on every kids Christmas list. The come the winter, the zeitgeist picked up steam. The anime also didn't make Charizard popular. He was popular because he was a giant fire breathing dragon. Then the anime shoved him down everyone's throats.
 
Nobody watched the original syndication of the anime. It was very niche. The games are what sold Pokemon. The anime got a boost from the games. Sure, maybe there were some kids that watched it but it was the games that really sold kids. The real reason Pokemon got popular is because they were simply the best Gameboy games out there at the time. There wasn't anything else like Pokemon out at the time. Pokemon was... surprisingly complicated and complex for a Gameboy game. The internet didn't exist and exploration was 90% of what made it so interesting. You never knew what was coming next. Heck, kids thought the glitches were secrets to find out and made up all kinds of fake nonsense.

The anime didn't really pick up speed until it changed channels and networks the following winter after the game's release. What happened was Pokemon after the game release got a lot of spread over the fall, and into Christmas it was on every kids Christmas list. The come the winter, the zeitgeist picked up steam. The anime also didn't make Charizard popular. He was popular because he was a giant fire breathing dragon. Then the anime shoved him down everyone's throats.
In Japan.
I'm talking about the JP POV purely because over there the series reallly popped off after it debuted
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