Piers Anthony is a Pedophile

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At least in fantasy you can argue it happened historically at the time period fantasy stories take place. With scifi you cant because its in the future and we are supposedly enlightened.

Exactly this. The books do an infinitely better job of portraying the setting with the morals of the high middle ages. The TV series turns the characters into modern day facsimiles after season four. His books aren't perfect, but I understand where he's coming from. Not banging fourteen year olds is a really modern concept, save a few cultures or instances in history. Otherwise if you're old enough to breed, you're old enough to marry.

Whenever I see this thread pop up, I keep reading "Piers Anthony" and read "Piers Morgan" instead.
 
I heard about this a while ago and immediately assumed that it ended with rape:

 
I remember I used to read Piers Anthony and then, one day, I forget which book exactly, but I just suddenly realized holy fuck this man is the worst writer alive. And I never read anything he wrote again and sold every single Piers Anthony book I had like the next day.
It was And Eternity for me. It was so bad I never read another one of his books again.
 
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I read a bunch of the Xanth novels when I was in middle school going into high school. I remember them being kinda gross and kinda pervy, which is probably why they are popular with teenage boys because they're also kinda gross and kinda pervy. It was when I attempted to move to non-Xanth works that the red flags started coming up. Though I have never read Firefly, Anthony talked about that scene in one of those chapter long afterwords he puts in his books, describing it as a consensual sex scene. I just remember questioning why someone would be so open about creating something so disturbing. I discovered Kurt Vonnegut not too long after that, which completely transfigured my reading tastes, and I've only read fantasy sporadically since then. Until recently, I thought that A Spell for Chameleon was a good book that could be turned into a charming movie, but then I read an essay about the book and forgot that Anthony has a pretty depraved interpretation of women.
 
I think I just got Mandela Affected. I swear I remember Piers Anthony being dead for years until I Googled him, with all this talk about him being #metooed in the future. The dead don't get a #metoo unless they're Civil War soldiers.
Piers Anthony is still alive, the dark magics that sustain him will not allow him the rest of death.
It was And Enternity for me. It was so bad I never read another one of his books again.
Probably a smart move. He finally after a 27 year hiatus finished the Incarnations of Immortality series (generally known as his least bad series, with the first book On A Pale Horse being considered actually sort of good) but the ending he produced was breathtakingly Piers Anthony...

Nox, the god of dreams and sex finds out that the universe is imperiled by her alt-universe rule 63 counterpart, and they engage in a literal rape battle to determine who should prevail

Oh yeah, fun fact: as of 2013 he had 166 published works. By 2017 he produced 188. While the content is usually degenerate and his writing is pretty bad he's a fucking machine at pumping out books.
 
"There's one thing that's interesting about your books. I noticed that you write women really well and really different.Where does that come from?"

Martin, rakish devil, replied:

"You know I've always considered women to be people."

That's such a smug, woke non-answer from Martin there. Because when you're a a straight dude who sits down to write and ponders how a female character might approach a situation, having never occupied the mind of nor had the life experiences of a woman before, then yeah, it can be a struggle to write a woman. Martin could have offered some sage advice to answer that question. Instead he went with a wink and a "What are you, a fucking sexist?" in so many words.

Kind of like Jack Nicholson's character in As Good As It Gets. When asked the same question by a devoted fan while he's in a sperged out hurry, he rudely snaps: "I think of a man, then I take away reason and accountability."

Martin has always struck me as a lazy fuck, at the very least. He could have easily had the rest of the series published along with spinoffs in the eight years since A Dance With Dragons. Two books were all he had left to close it out. And nothing almost a decade later? Fucking please. At that point all you have are excuses.
 
I read a bunch of the Xanth novels when I was in middle school going into high school. I remember them being kinda gross and kinda pervy, which is probably why they are popular with teenage boys because they're also kinda gross and kinda pervy.
Well, that's certainly why they were popular with me at that age, so you're probably on to something there.
 
Fucking hell, demons don't dream was one of my favorite books when i was young. Like, I've heard this argument before but it was always from some fucking Tumblr user and you'll forgive my mistrust of that. I didn't know about the fucking publishing other people's child porn and shit, that's just fucked.
 
So which genres do you suppose are more likely to have parts that are openly transgressive of sexual societal norms? Fantasy? Sci-fi? Subgenres of those? Horror? Because I know I've read scenes in books that made me think "Uh, that's getting a bit spicy there" - the Dune books flirted with certain sex-related subjects very openly to the point where I wondered if Herbert had something else going on.
Really? Because I always got an alien kind of sexlessness from Dune. To be sure, there was sex but it was always portrayed as utilitarian, i.e for procreation or pleasure, but never passion.
 
Really? Because I always got an alien kind of sexlessness from Dune. To be sure, there was sex but it was always portrayed as utilitarian, i.e for procreation or pleasure, but never passion.
Later books really get crazy with how the Honored Matres basically weaponize it. There's a lot of utilitarianism to it for factions like the Bene Gesserit and the Fremen, I think, but House Harkonnen was implied to be a hotbed of deviancy with the Baron himself being a boy-lover I think. The Tleilaxu make it so utilitarian that they turn their females into mindless womb-machines and genetic material from Tleilaxu leaders is prized by lower ranking members as a way to gain prestige by mixing with their own lineages. It's implied in God Emperor of Dune that the worm-man hybrid/titular character has some kind of sexual needs but it's mostly used as a way to insinuate that he does monstrous things to women he fancies with his worm-cock or whatever, IIRC.
 
It's implied in God Emperor of Dune that the worm-man hybrid/titular character has some kind of sexual needs but it's mostly used as a way to insinuate that he does monstrous things to women he fancies with his worm-cock or whatever, IIRC.
It was more like he has romantic needs, and there are rumors (IIRC viciously suppressed by his Fish Speakers priesthood) that he fucks woman with his Worm Cock. He tells his fiance he does not give people the Big Worm Cock and to the best of the readers knowledge that's true.
 
I read Piers Anthony when I was a kid, so a lot of the creepiness didn't really stick with me. They were mostly just adventure stories at that age, with the sort of gender politics you'd expect from someone of his age, the 'man is the head of the family but the woman is the real power' sort. Now I don't think he's a good writer and is way too fond of writing about sex with girls, but I thought that his strength was in his plotting, rather than anything else, because a number of his books were satisfyingly put together.

He also had a thing about getting bored with the same woman, it seemed, because a number of times his plots involved more than one woman using the same body, or in A Spell for Chameleon the trick being that the hero can only fall in love with this woman because she changed over the course of a month so he wasn't stuck with someone who stayed the same for the rest of his life. I imagine that's more of that free love hippy stuff. Also, I learned what the word 'Juxtaposition' meant because of him.

I don't think the teenage boy who ran away to his house would have been molested, though, because he was always really just pervy about girls, rather than children in general - oh, and a thing about horses, I think his family had a few, and he liked putting them as characters into his books. I get the sense that he pours all that wrongness into his books, rather than actually being an active pedophile - but that's just because I remember there was a girl who was in a horrific car accident, and as she was a fan of Elfquest and Xanth he put her into his Xanth books as an Elfquest elf to cheer her up. He certainly had a lot of female fans, younger and older, when I was reading them.

But yeah, in retrospect there's a lot of grossness there. Which is a shame, because his books really were something I enjoyed back in the day. It's like that feeling when something you loved as a kid turns out to be pretty shit, but with fucking underage girls being part of it.
 
The dead don't get a #metoo unless they're Civil War soldiers.
Jimmy Savile did.
House Harkonnen was implied to be a hotbed of deviancy with the Baron himself being a boy-lover I think.
Yeah, there’s a bit in the first book where the Baron has a harem of boys he rapes. He talks about one that looks like Paul.
 
There's a lot of utilitarianism to it for factions like the Bene Gesserit and the Fremen, I think, but House Harkonnen was implied to be a hotbed of deviancy with the Baron himself being a boy-lover I think.

And the Baron is portrayed as being about as disgusting and repulsive as it's possible to be, morbidly obese, and even his obesity is something deviant he deliberately did to himself. When Piers Anthony dwells on gross sex shit it's obvious he's actually getting off on it though.
 
And the Baron is portrayed as being about as disgusting and repulsive as it's possible to be, morbidly obese, and even his obesity is something deviant he deliberately did to himself. When Piers Anthony dwells on gross sex shit it's obvious he's actually getting off on it though.
I think it's stated or implied at some point that the Baron actually did NOT deliberately become a corpulent wastoid, and that his physical state was the result of the Bene Gesserit infecting him with something. He apparently used to be an incredibly vain person who prized his physical appearance above nearly everything else and then I think he raped someone and the Bene Gesserit gave him some kind of "ugly flu".

Still, though, that level of "sick fuck" even in a VILLAIN is something I don't remember seeing in many other places before I read the Dune books.
 
I'd say he's a closet pedophile. He has the feelings and would act on them if he could. But he hasn't "come out" yet.
Kinda reminds me of George R. R. Martin- they're both sex-obsessed creeps. Like, do you really need to describe a 14 year old being fucked by a man twice her age (yes, in Book 1 Danerys is canonically 14)?
The extra R is for Rape
 
I think it's stated or implied at some point that the Baron actually did NOT deliberately become a corpulent wastoid, and that his physical state was the result of the Bene Gesserit infecting him with something.

I've only read the original, but in that, he is portrayed as eating gluttonously and being sensually decadent.
 
And the Baron is portrayed as being about as disgusting and repulsive as it's possible to be, morbidly obese, and even his obesity is something deviant he deliberately did to himself. When Piers Anthony dwells on gross sex shit it's obvious he's actually getting off on it though.
I think it's stated or implied at some point that the Baron actually did NOT deliberately become a corpulent wastoid, and that his physical state was the result of the Bene Gesserit infecting him with something. He apparently used to be an incredibly vain person who prized his physical appearance above nearly everything else and then I think he raped someone and the Bene Gesserit gave him some kind of "ugly flu".

Still, though, that level of "sick fuck" even in a VILLAIN is something I don't remember seeing in many other places before I read the Dune books.
That's how it was in the Brian Herbert/Kevin J. Anderson novels, which not everyone considers canon. They are kind of muddled and I have serious doubts about Hunters/Sandworms of Dune but I liked some of the prequels (and I actually think the Butlerarian Jihad series was neat).

In them Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam (the woman who gives Paul the Gom Jabbar test) did it. She needed Baron Harkonnen's Chad DNA to conceive Lady Jessica. Baron Harkonnen was real fucking gay in addition to being a degenerate so he paralyzed her and raped her to get the Sisterhood off his back about it. Reverend Mothers can hold diseases in their body dormant and spread them at will so she gave him a powerful fuck flu that degenerated his muscles and caused him to become a disgusting fatbody. Baron was pissed about it but it was incurable and you don't want to make an enemy of (((The Sisterhood))) so he spun his deformity as hedonism.

As a side note, the original Sisterhood plan for the Kwisatz Haderach would have had Jessica's female first born Child bear the child of Baron Harkonnen's nephew i.e. her cousin. That's how good the Harkonnen bloodline was.
 
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