Patreon isnt making enough money - When 5% of a billion for being a middle man won't do

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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/23...lion-dollars-to-content-creators-in-2019.html

Patreon CEO says the company's generous business model is not sustainable as it sees rapid growth
Brandon Gomez | @bgomezreports
Published 3:41 PM ET Wed, 23 Jan 2019 Updated 2 Hours AgoCNBC.com
  • “Patreon needs to build new businesses and new services and new revenue lines in order to build a sustainable business,” said Patreon CEO Jack Conte.
  • Patreon will send content creators more than half a billion dollars to fund their membership businesses in 2019.
  • More than $1 billion will be paid out to creators since the company's inception in 2013.
  • There are more than 3 million patrons supporting more than 100,000 creators on Patreon.
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Crowd-funding service Patreon announced its latest benchmark Wednesday, with more than 3 million patrons supporting content creators each month through the company's platform.

Patreon allows illustrators, authors, podcasters, musicians and other independent creators to receive crowd funding directly from their audience.

The number of active patrons supporting artists on the platform in 2019 has seen significant growth, up 1 million over the last year, the company said. The company is also on track to pay out $500 million to content creators in 2019, pushing the company to surpass $1 billion in payouts since its inception in 2013.
Under the company's current business model, 90 percent of funds are paid directly to content creators. Patreon takes 5 percent, and the remaining 5 percent covers transaction fees.

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Jack Conte, founder of Patreon
Patreon CEO Jack Conte said in an interview with CNBC that the platform will soon be facing the challenge of maintaining a profitable model as the company continues its growth.

"The reality is Patreon needs to build new businesses and new services and new revenue lines in order to build a sustainable business," Conte said.

The company does not currently provide contracts, which allows users to retain 100 percent ownership of their work and full control of their brand.

The company plans to provide creators with new "value services," like options for merchandising, to generate new revenue. Creators will be given the opportunity to participate in these services, and it could ultimately reduce Patreon's generous 90 percent pay-out model.


"We will have to re-examine how we charge for new services as we put them out," Conte said.

Conte said with added revenue streams the company will continue to redefine the space of creative content creation and aggregation – currently dominated by YouTube, Spotify and other various subscription services.

He said the "feeling of support and connection with artists" along with the "transactional benefit of membership" encourages users to pay for content that they can otherwise receive for free.

Patreon is no stranger to the editorial controversies that plagued other big tech companies in 2018.

Top Patreon creator, author and podcaster Sam Harris deleted his Patreon account in December, and accused the company of political bias after several conservative accounts were removed for being associated with hate groups.

"We don't allow hate speech, which other platforms say they don't as well and Patreon really means it," Conte said. "You can't just say anything you want in the world and we don't want to build that platform."

The company also revised its content policy in 2017 to eliminate the site's use for the exchange of adult-themed photos, videos and content.

Conte said as the company grows it plans to build more enhancements, features and integrations to help every creator easily activate their membership business and focus on creating.


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What’s funny is that probably a good chunk of that are people who no longer care but don’t notice $10 being taken out of their account per month. If people did a better job balancing their checking accounts, Patreon would be really fucked by now.
 
Just increase your rates you cucks. People will bitch but do you think they'll actually use a competitor? Even if there were one, most Patrons are too fucking lazy to make the switch.
 
Maybe you should stop kicking people you disagree with personally from your platform, maybe reclaim some of that income.
 
They're not even the ones who made that decision. That would be Mastercard.

Patreon's business model relies on the fact that people want someone else to automatically handle their paypal donations for them. Setting up a reminder on your calender each month basically makes them redundant (and saves patrons a small fee).
 
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Why does Patreon need a staff? It needs one person to manage the technical end and one person to keep the financial side sweet. That's the whole business.

You'd need a hundred people to put up with the people crying to their support lines and social media.
 
You know... it's gotta take some special skill to start a business in which all you do is TAKE MONEY and then give most of it to someone. No inventory, no sales, they just take money.

How do you fuck that up?
 
How do you fuck that up?

By headquartering in San Francisco and making your offices a hipster's socialist wet dream. Can't turn a profit when you lease some of the most expensive commercial real estate in the country and paying artists to come in and decorate your office with custom murals n shit.

They have to pay a shit ton of people to manage their image as being trustworthy and responsive to every moron out there who uses their platform and get cucked by dangerhairs and troons when they try to raise rates to pay for it all.

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And they're headquartered in San Francisco: isn't that excess? Couldn't they operate for significantly less elsewhere?

Why some of these companies don't operate in fucking Nebraska I'll never understand. It's like the new graduate starving in a basement studio shithole so they can say they're slowly dying in New York.
 
I've often wondered that too, with 21st Century communication, why can't you lease a warehouse in Des Moines for pennies? Cellphones and flat screens work outside of the Manhattan and Bay areas....

You'd still have enough spare cash for plane tickets and wardrobe to show up at all the right parties..... look how many YouTubers are having no issues operating out of spare bedrooms in flyover states.
 
Is it supporters of furry porn and cosplay thots that are driving the average spending up?
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Something something sex work is real work and western women are actually more oppressed than ones living under Sharia
(The average patron is paying $775 a year and she makes $1.85M before taxes, an arbitrary amount of which is likely written off as expenses)
 
I don't understand how you become unprofitable when you business model is literally taking a cut out of free money being thrown at you.

MONEY IS FALLING FROM THE FUCKING SKY AND YET YOU ARE UNPROFITABLE. HOW?!
 
I don't understand how you become unprofitable when you business model is literally taking a cut out of free money being thrown at you.

MONEY IS FALLING FROM THE FUCKING SKY AND YET YOU ARE UNPROFITABLE. HOW?!
If it wasn't in San Francisco it wouldn't be as bad. Though server costs are a big thing too. But yeah, the big thing is having offices in San Fran. Might as well have a startup that buys land outright in Tokyo for server farms.
 
Patreon could be run out of a server farm in India staffed by Pajeet. Actually that sounds like an excellent idea. I want more recently unemployed and entirely replaceable millennials bitching about how life isn't fair on Twitter.
 
I can't wait to hear about the terrible genocide after they lay off a bunch of their useless employees and how making fun of them is literally being hitler.

Well maybe I won't have to actually, since the bloggers who would write that already also got genocided in a mass lay off.
 
Subscribestar takes like 3% and supposedly Dick Masterson's venture will seek to take 0%.
Given the kind of people who frequent Patreon, I have no surprises about how their own terrible business practices will eventually ruin them.

Also, something something destroying the """"cosplay"""" thots epic style with tax and logic.

I've heard about that. Can Dick really throw together an alternative for nothing?
 
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