Patreon isnt making enough money - When 5% of a billion for being a middle man won't do

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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/23...lion-dollars-to-content-creators-in-2019.html

Patreon CEO says the company's generous business model is not sustainable as it sees rapid growth
Brandon Gomez | @bgomezreports
Published 3:41 PM ET Wed, 23 Jan 2019 Updated 2 Hours AgoCNBC.com
  • “Patreon needs to build new businesses and new services and new revenue lines in order to build a sustainable business,” said Patreon CEO Jack Conte.
  • Patreon will send content creators more than half a billion dollars to fund their membership businesses in 2019.
  • More than $1 billion will be paid out to creators since the company's inception in 2013.
  • There are more than 3 million patrons supporting more than 100,000 creators on Patreon.
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Crowd-funding service Patreon announced its latest benchmark Wednesday, with more than 3 million patrons supporting content creators each month through the company's platform.

Patreon allows illustrators, authors, podcasters, musicians and other independent creators to receive crowd funding directly from their audience.

The number of active patrons supporting artists on the platform in 2019 has seen significant growth, up 1 million over the last year, the company said. The company is also on track to pay out $500 million to content creators in 2019, pushing the company to surpass $1 billion in payouts since its inception in 2013.
Under the company's current business model, 90 percent of funds are paid directly to content creators. Patreon takes 5 percent, and the remaining 5 percent covers transaction fees.

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Jack Conte, founder of Patreon
Patreon CEO Jack Conte said in an interview with CNBC that the platform will soon be facing the challenge of maintaining a profitable model as the company continues its growth.

"The reality is Patreon needs to build new businesses and new services and new revenue lines in order to build a sustainable business," Conte said.

The company does not currently provide contracts, which allows users to retain 100 percent ownership of their work and full control of their brand.

The company plans to provide creators with new "value services," like options for merchandising, to generate new revenue. Creators will be given the opportunity to participate in these services, and it could ultimately reduce Patreon's generous 90 percent pay-out model.


"We will have to re-examine how we charge for new services as we put them out," Conte said.

Conte said with added revenue streams the company will continue to redefine the space of creative content creation and aggregation – currently dominated by YouTube, Spotify and other various subscription services.

He said the "feeling of support and connection with artists" along with the "transactional benefit of membership" encourages users to pay for content that they can otherwise receive for free.

Patreon is no stranger to the editorial controversies that plagued other big tech companies in 2018.

Top Patreon creator, author and podcaster Sam Harris deleted his Patreon account in December, and accused the company of political bias after several conservative accounts were removed for being associated with hate groups.

"We don't allow hate speech, which other platforms say they don't as well and Patreon really means it," Conte said. "You can't just say anything you want in the world and we don't want to build that platform."

The company also revised its content policy in 2017 to eliminate the site's use for the exchange of adult-themed photos, videos and content.

Conte said as the company grows it plans to build more enhancements, features and integrations to help every creator easily activate their membership business and focus on creating.


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So how is Patreon going to make more money? Are they going to have to open an account for themselves for people to donate to?
 
Patreon should refuse service to more users spreading dangerous ideas and wrong think. That right-wing dollar isn't real money.
 
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The processing fees are killing them, who knew hipster welfare wasn’t a profitable business? Any attempts they make to increase fees is met by incessant reeeing and shrieking that they’re killing marginalized POC etc.

Moral of the story is, do what you want and don’t give in to the ebeggars. They’re insignificant.
 
When I heard about Patreon originally, I thought "hey, that's a great lifestyle business for a couple of people. They must be making a fortune for doing fuck all."

Then I learned they had like 50 staff. WTF.

Why does Patreon need a staff? It needs one person to manage the technical end and one person to keep the financial side sweet. That's the whole business. Maybe you have a couple of contract plebs to look over the content of the people taking money on the site and flag up anything potentially against the rules to your attention, that's about it. The rest is just some professional fees for accountancy and lawyers.

People seem to want to make their mountain in to the broadest possible molehill for some reason. Fire all the accumulated idiots and just live on the sweet, sweet rent you're accumulating.
 
With the amount of hipster ebeggars, there is no way they’d survive with one in-house tax accountant. Managing the income tax on the state level would require a large team unlesss they’ve automated it (I bet no). Plus you have to ensure they’re maintaining compliance and properly auditing their accounts etc. Federal tax is pretty easy but states, cities, and counties all have different taxes across the country.

Then you have to deal with the amount of tickets, complaints, questions, issues etc for all the ebeggars. I can see why they may need a large team if Patreon is inefficiently run and they don’t have appropriate processes in place to automate a lot of shit.
 
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On the one hand it'd be great to see so many hipsters and other e-beggars get fucked and stop shitting up the internet (:optimistic:), but on the other hand they would probably just go on the government dole and continue being fucking useless with our tax money. Oh sure some of them are on both, but not all of them.
 
Subscribestar takes like 3% and supposedly Dick Masterson's venture will seek to take 0%.
Given the kind of people who frequent Patreon, I have no surprises about how their own terrible business practices will eventually ruin them.

Also, something something destroying the """"cosplay"""" thots epic style with tax and logic.
 
If they are projected to pay out $500 million this year alone that means they're anticipating processing nearly $550 million in pledges. If they take just 5% for operating costs that means they stand to rake in about $27.5 million over the course of the year. If they hike that percentage just one point higher that would mean Patreon's "cut" would increase to $33 million, a difference of $5.5 million.

I highly doubt most people would feel slighted with a fee increase of one percent, and if Patreon can't figure out how to fix their shit with a magic surplus of five million dollars then I guess the company imploding on itself was inevitable.
 
Here's video that I think does good job of explaining why Patreon isn't profitable
TL;DR: Jack oversold to investors who now want to collect
 
When I heard about Patreon originally, I thought "hey, that's a great lifestyle business for a couple of people. They must be making a fortune for doing fuck all."

Then I learned they had like 50 staff. WTF.

Why does Patreon need a staff? It needs one person to manage the technical end and one person to keep the financial side sweet. That's the whole business. Maybe you have a couple of contract plebs to look over the content of the people taking money on the site and flag up anything potentially against the rules to your attention, that's about it. The rest is just some professional fees for accountancy and lawyers.

People seem to want to make their mountain in to the broadest possible molehill for some reason. Fire all the accumulated idiots and just live on the sweet, sweet rent you're accumulating.

And they're headquartered in San Francisco: isn't that excess? Couldn't they operate for significantly less elsewhere?
 
How are they not making any money? This is like imgur and reddit pretending to not make enough money while the CEOs are swimming in it.
 
So You internet people, how much would your own site cost(just for your supporter)?
Cheap webspace with some software, all payment over Paypal/others, Media hosting on external sites, shouldnt be to expensive.
If Payopal deplattforms you, they arent the only ones....Twint is swiss, The Swiss have a long tradition of making bussines with nazis.
 
With those numbers then the average yearly payout per Patreon is $5,000 and the average supporter spends $133 per year. Most patreons I've looked at usually have a per patron of $5 a month/$60 per year. Is it supporters of furry porn and cosplay thots that are driving the average spending up?
 
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