Patreon Donation Charge Salt - Patreon Changes TOS; Lolcows Apoplectic

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From a customer service perspective, wouldn’t it make more sense for Patreon to just have a two-tiered service of response: a high level quick response for those making a lot and a low level response for those not?
I don’t know. It seems like if you’re just skimming off the top anyways, you’d want all potential options.
Killing the incest donations was smart though.

I’m not a businessman though.
 
Chan the Wizard said:
From a customer service perspective, wouldn’t it make more sense for Patreon to just have a two-tiered service of response: a high level quick response for those making a lot and a low level response for those not?
I don’t know. It seems like if you’re just skimming off the top anyways, you’d want all potential options.
Killing the incest donations was smart though.

I’m not a businessman though.
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Unless you spin up a separate branded platform/service, this is a terrible idea.

I think this is the end result of "dealing with the little screeching $20/mo trannies is more trouble than its worth". The margins are small, and insignificant from where they want to grow to.

The bigger question is why they aren't implementing a digital wallet, but remember the end game is to sell the business to Google (or similar) who will probably have their own digital wallet platform they'll want to use. In addition to all the tax/cross-border banking issues digital wallet comes with.
 
I wonder if maybe if the service fee and percentage was based on the overall amount which you donate to all creators on Patreon instead of individual pledges. Like donating $1 to ten creators would cost the same as donating $10 to a single creator. It's all going through Patreon, so I don't know why they couldn't just do that.
 
PhilGoutnell said:
I wonder if maybe if the service fee and percentage was based on the overall amount which you donate to all creators on Patreon instead of individual pledges. Like donating $1 to ten creators would cost the same as donating $10 to a single creator. It's all going through Patreon, so I don't know why they couldn't just do that.
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Because they don't want to be a funding platform for failures. They literally say that in the article I linked above. They want to attract creators who actually produce content on a regular basis and earn substantial amounts doing so, not be a proxy charity for people who do nothing but ebeg (youcaring already exists for that).

It's a smart move on their part and allows them to differentiate themselves from other crowdfunding platforms. It will purge the kind of "creators" they explicitly don't want and make their brand more valuable.
 
I'm conflicted. On one hand, this penalizes small donors for not having so much income to throw around. On the other, it cuts off a source of revenue for the many-tailed beast.
 
Tranhuviya said:
I'm conflicted. On one hand, this penalizes small donors for not having so much income to throw around. On the other, it cuts off a source of revenue for the many-tailed beast.
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I'm sure a microdonation platform will spring up. The "creators" who produce little or nothing and who rely on ebegging to get by aren't going to just let a low effort source of income disappear.

What's more interesting is how many schemes which were supposed to be suited to microtransactions have ended up having fees which equal or exceed those charged by banks.
 
Pikimon said:
go back to the old-school method and either buy a shady laundromat/car wash or use russians
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I just don't want to go back to the hellish 9-to-5 drudgery of sitting all day at the casino pretending to gamble, I have shitposts to make.
 
Dynastia said:
I just don't want to go back to the hellish 9-to-5 drudgery of sitting all day at the casino pretending to gamble, I have shitposts to make.
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Open a Bitcoin exchange. You can use it to launder your own money while running away with everyone else's.
 
Another side affect of this- I am pretty sure a few of the 1 dollar pledges were like everything on the Internet- spur of the moment, "OMG I gotta support Zoe or the GGaters WINZ!" sorta thing. Charged to a credit card, 1 dollar a month is easy to forget about. With this new fee setup I am sure some people will quit donating because there was a change and they notice they are still donating. Ah who am I kidding- anyone donating to these troons is using moms card, car, basement,laundry anyway.
 
~ Drama Llama Ding Dong ~ said:
Hmmm...I don't know. They could do what...all of the OTHER YouTubers who work full time or go to school or BOTH do; make time for putting content on the internet. Wait. that would require logic. What was I thinking? These individuals all lack any kind of reasoning skills.
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There exists a person who is exactly like that, Jeff Mumm, who has a real job and creates his game on his spare time, at a snail's pace. He hasn't released a new update in nearly a month. If he had about fifty more patrons than he does now, his game would probably be finished already. He's getting fifty dollars a month, which according to his schedule, means he can only do five hours of work on the project a month, which isn't necessarily progress mind you, mistakes happen and revisions are made in projects all the time, especially where vidya is concerned.

Needless to say, it pisses me off that so many of these do-nothings, failures and hacks overshadow genuinely talented, innovative and ambitious people like Jeff. Meanwhile, Brianna Fail is raking in nearly a thousand dollars a month on asset-flip tier shit. Clearly, this is a case of marketing (victimhood, pseudogina, SJW, progressive, ect.) overshadowing ability.
 
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14⚡⚡ weev ⚡⚡88 said:
I and my chatting crew have been reporting them as an unlicensed money transmission service for months now. Finally, the payoff.
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I was skeptical of this for a second, but it's definitely consistent with the fact that Patreon's solution was to pass on the $0.38 Paypal fee to the customers. Previously, they were doing this themselves and cutting Paypal out.

As corrupt and shitty as Paypal is, they're actually licensed to transmit money like that. Patreon isn't.

I don't like the implications of this. It could really fuck up cryptocurrency, for one thing.

Holdek said:
Why doesn’t Patreon just exempt incest donations from this like before since they don’t go through the payment processors anyway? Patreon stands to lose a lot of 5% if creators swap donations less often and it’ll upset a lot of their customers. I get that it’s satisfying for us to see it cause salt, hurt hipster bums etc, but from a financial standpoint it hurts instead of helps Patreon as a company.
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A) They don't actually want those customers and have said so.
B) Getting sucked into unlawful money transmission or, worse, outright money laundering, would damage their brand more than losing some $1 chumps.

PhilGoutnell said:
I wonder if maybe if the service fee and percentage was based on the overall amount which you donate to all creators on Patreon instead of individual pledges. Like donating $1 to ten creators would cost the same as donating $10 to a single creator. It's all going through Patreon, so I don't know why they couldn't just do that.
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They aren't doing that any more. There's a transaction fee on each transaction.

Possibly, the way they were doing it is actually illegal.
 
I've seen this suggested as an alternative to Patreon. It's based in France and has only just added USD support. Unlike Patreon, they're a non-profit.

https://en.liberapay.com/

I don't think those suggesting it have fully read the FAQ. It doesn't accept PayPal and donors need to make deposits of at least 15 Euros (about USD 17),

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https://en.liberapay.com/about/faq#fees
 
Somsnosa said:
The changes don't really matter, but you should always have a second plan. Patreon and youtube could collapse suddently on a random day. You should -never- rely on someone else's for your life plans, be it in internet or a full time job at the bank, always be wary.
It's like when youtubers moved to espensive LA apartments and then went full on broke when ads paid 40% less
People like RLM still have experience as video editors, and can still find job in the entertainment industry, while people like h3h3 or boogie rely completely on platforms.
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Rumor has it that so many of these people move to LA because your location affects your metrics, so Youtube plays favorites based on where you live.

What's stupid about that is the obvious solution is to just get a proxy server out of LA if that's all your problem is.
 
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