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Well, no, Kars and the like were parts of Armenia's old kingdoms and principalities, all of which predated the Ottomans and even the Seljuks, and the areas still had, depending on who you believe, Armenian pluralities or narrow majorities prior to the genocide. It was as much Armenian territory as the rest of the first republic of Armenia.
You can split hairs about which imperial power were the owners during which period to somehow squeeze as much legitimacy over ownership all you want, at the end of the day those were still parts of the heartland of Armenia, and as already mentioned, the census data is pretty clear about it.
Kars and Ardahan hadn’t belonged to any old Armenian kingdom for about a millennium by the time WW1 kicked off. Ardahan wasn't even originally Armenian but Georgian that was taken by Armenians and there is debate that the same is true for Kars if we actually want to split hairs. Armenian claims on it were as much revanchist as anything else because if it belongs to them because it was once theirs roughly 1000 years ago then do the Turks have a better claim because it belonged to them as recently as just over 30 years ago?
Arguing that the natural response of expansionist Islamic governments to losing land to religious enemies or having their colonial populations massacred in reprisals is to carry out pogroms against unrelated ethnic minorities who are only coreligionists is not the hill I think you want to die on.
There is no hill to die on because my entire point, that you consistently seem to have missed in your knee-jerk response, is that it is not a valid basis for an arbitrary moral outrage stance. I did not justify those actions, I was using them as an example to demonstrate that if you want to bitch about Turks being some kind of extreme monsters because of one standard it is very easy to paint their opposition with the same brush using other examples.
It changed in 2018. The most well-known example being the Wolfenstein series which allowed it to depict Hakenkreuze etc. However they just interpreted the law differently meaning that it's only allowed in certain contexts, i.e. in Wolfenstein you kill Nazis and therefore it gets a pass (See this article, A). So I assume for a map game to also get a pass Hitler's picture would need a permanent big red flashing reminder that he was very bad.
There's a reason EU4 the main priority of every campaign of western player is to remove T*rk and then the Fr*nch. Even the biggest paracucks feel this sacred duty. They just won't admit it.
In other games they are too pathetic to care.
Migrant national seem to become utterly precious about their home country that proved incapable of providing their family a living, which seems tto have the backwards. Most Turk vltras taking offence at perceived slights to Türkiyiyiye and Ataturk are dwelling in high Germany. The Argentine too is like that too, at times, as noted above, oversensitive and we wuz kangs and Malvinas Argentinas I'm not sad for Paradox who screw about with great to readonable base designs.
Wasn't ataturk well liked anyways? It's retarded seeing people who hate islam shit on him since he's the reason why turkey doesn't look like Saudi Arabia and Iran. He was genuinely one of the few great leaders of the utter mess that was the 20th century. Especially early 20th century.
It’s impressive how irrelevant skibidi toilet has gotten in the past 2 or so years. Couldn’t escape it at all. I like to think the Colbert Show having a “skit” on it helped kill it off.
Wasn't ataturk well liked anyways? It's retarded seeing people who hate islam shit on him since he's the reason why turkey doesn't look like Saudi Arabia and Iran. He was genuinely one of the few great leaders of the utter mess that was the 20th century. Especially early 20th century.
The reason people are so spastic about him is that Turkey has not had a leader like him since his death in 1938, but also it's the only way to express your dissatisfaction with Turkey’s current problems without facing prosecution by SULTAN ERDOGAN and accuse you of treachery.
It’s impressive how irrelevant skibidi toilet has gotten in the past 2 or so years. Couldn’t escape it at all. I like to think the Colbert Show having a “skit” on it helped kill it off.
Yes, and how recently an Armenian polity had controlled them was not the point, that they were part of the Armenian homeland by any reasonable metric was.
Yes, they were. Every single time the Ottomans faced discontent or a revolt from one of their Christian population the response was to either condone or carry out massacres in reprisal. FFS the actual justification for the French allying with the Ottomans to begin with was to extract a guarantee of the safety of the Maronites against such actions.
'Wow, these minority populations wouldn't have lasted as long if the Ottomans had used the same scale and scope of massacre against them in the sixteenth and seventeenth century that they were able to use in the early twentieth century.'
Nigger, the Assyrians are still extant as a population group despite not just the Ottomans also going after them a century ago, but fucking ISIS ten years ago. Arguing that they lasted so therefore there couldn't have been a massacre is a literal turkroach tactic.
Saar pls stop insulting the great Paradox. I just buy the newest EU dlc and had great of time with vampire maskerade loolines 2 doc fire and the flame with the very hot Nubian goddess. You can see the bobs as well. Please stop the insult and look at the mirror! Great Studio of Gaming and you are losers. Paki subhumans and turk roaches as always
Yes, and how recently an Armenian polity had controlled them was not the point, that they were part of the Armenian homeland by any reasonable metric was.
Yes, they were. Every single time the Ottomans faced discontent or a revolt from one of their Christian population the response was to either condone or carry out massacres in reprisal. FFS the actual justification for the French allying with the Ottomans to begin with was to extract a guarantee of the safety of the Maronites against such actions.
No they weren't. The actual reason for the French alliance with the Ottomans was to act as a counterweight to the Habsburgs. Hell the Habsburgs tried to pull the same shit in response by proposing an alliance with the Safavids.
'Wow, these minority populations wouldn't have lasted as long if the Ottomans had used the same scale and scope of massacre against them in the sixteenth and seventeenth century that they were able to use in the early twentieth century.'
Nigger, the Assyrians are still extant as a population group despite not just the Ottomans also going after them a century ago, but fucking ISIS ten years ago. Arguing that they lasted so therefore there couldn't have been a massacre is a literal turkroach tactic.
Nigger the Assyrians have been shrinking as a population since Christ was still around. Trying to blame that on the Ottomans is about as fucking retarded as blaming the Japanese for the Taiwanese becoming an ethnic minority on their own island. Fuck the only reason they still are a thing is because Turkey is now ironically enough giving them protection from other factions in Syria who tried to displace them (not just ISIS BTW).
I'm not sad for Paradox who screw about with great to readonable base designs.
