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Hellbound Hellhound said:
This is precisely the kind of conspiratorial thinking I've been talking about. Right away, you attribute a nefarious agenda to the Jewish people, yet neglect to provide any evidence that would A) warrant singling out Jews in particular, and B) demonstrate that such an agenda is broadly characteristic of Jewish opinion.
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I'll give you a couple of recent examples https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-problem-of-surplus-white-men.77522/ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/right...i-communism-in-its-conspiracy-theories.77595/

Those are just two of thousands of articles in a similar vein, spend any time on a corporate owned media website and you'll see many more, watch CNN, read Time Magazine, you'll see the same narrative pushed again and again often by Jewish authors or at least from outlets owned and led by Jews, it's too big of a pattern to dismiss out of hand, there comes a time in which a pattern is so obvious it can't be denied no matter how uncomfortable or politically incorrect it is.

All I'm saying is a significant number of Jews support modern leftist politics.

And in their defense, why wouldn't they lean left? Right wing politics sure have burned them in the past, but it's when the left wing school of thought has become as corrupted and as flat out evil as it has over the last decade does a person's blind devotion to it, an unwillingness to go "wait a minute" start to become a big problem.

Nobody should blindly follow either the left or the right, both sides should get a healthy dose of criticism and moderation, we saw what blind devotion to the right wing gets us during the George W Bush years (or for a historical example, the Nazis), now we're seeing what blind devotion to the left wing gets us (or for a historical example, the Communists), blind devotion and an unwillingness to think for yourself is not the right way, no matter what your devotion is to.

We've seen time and time again the left wing today reacts with GREAT hostility and violence to any form of criticism, they'll riot because a college has the gall to invite a man to speak in what's supposed to be a free country with freedom of speech, they'll ban you from an online platform for daring to have a different opinion than the hivemind, they have become dictatorial and already that power is being abused, things need to change.

Hellbound Hellhound said:
The reality is that Jews tend to be quite heavily represented in positions of influence across the political spectrum: many central figures within the libertarian movement are/were Jewish, for instance, as were many of the architects of neoconservatism. The only way that you can paint a picture of a singular Jewish agenda is by ignoring all evidence to the contrary.
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I never said every single Jew is left wing, of course there are plenty of right wing Jews too, in fact here's an example of one right here, with some very interesting and thought provoking things to say.


But the data is in and it points to a significant number of Jews being left wing.

But the truth is, it really doesn't matter, it doesn't matter what number of Jews are left wing, Jews are free to be left wing if they want, what matters is the left wing rhetoric itself, which has become incredibly toxic over the last decade.

I believe in a free country where people are free to live their lives as they see fit according to their personal values, provided it doesn't and this is the key thing here, encroach on someone else's freedom and their ability to live their lives according to their personal values, which is what the left wing is doing, they are using bullying, threats of violence and intimidation to enforce their beliefs on everyone else, they will not accept a difference of opinion, everyone has to think, talk and do exactly what they would personally approve of, no exceptions.

They want to control what you can say, what you can think, what you can buy, what you can do and I'm pretty sure soon what you can worship, that's when it's going to truly be on "like Donkey Kong"


Hellbound Hellhound said:
This is literally a mantra straight from Stormfront. You're either incredibly impressionable and misinformed, or you're just plain incompetent at hiding your true beliefs. I won't automatically ascribe malice to something which can just as easily be explained by ignorance, but your choice of words here puts the rest of your argument on pretty shaky ground, to say the least.
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A decade ago "anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white" was some Stormfront horseshit, but then... a funny thing happened.... it became true.

I mean what do you think the logical endpoint of "white privilege" is? It's basically saying that a white person's very existence is an act of racism, it's only a stones throw away from that to say the only solution is to annihilate white people, otherwise you'll never be free of "racism" so long as we exist, as our racism is a side effect of our very existence.

That's exactly like what Hitler said about the Jews, that we would never be free of "Jewry" so long as Jews existed therefore only a Final Solution would do and we know how that went.

A lot of what right wing talking points that used to seem absurd aren't so absurd anymore.

Why that is is because the left wing has been hijacked by their extremist movements, when you have extremists, suddenly what the other extremists are saying is no longer as absurd, because both side are being pushed towards extremism, like a feedback loop, like horseshoe theory.

You seem to be pretty stuck in the past and don't understand that times have changed, the left wing of the past is not the left wing of 2020, a lot of people don't understand that, they seem to want to think this is still the feel good early Obama era, it's not, this is war.

A decade ago they used to talk about the Tea Party, remember them? Well as it turns out the left wing had their own Tea Party as well and because not enough people could recognize it as such, it took over the left wing school of thought as a whole, now there is no "moderate" and "extreme" left it's all been made to be extreme.

Or here's another thought experiment for you, remember the Westboro Baptist Church? The "God Hates Fags" people? Obviously they were an extremist element not representative of all American Christians and other Christians had no qualms with calling them the extremists that they are and disagreeing with them.

But imagine if it didn't work that way, imagine if you were a Christian and couldn't call out the WBC without other Christians attacking you for not being Christian enough, for daring to criticize other Christians which means you're vehemently opposed to Christianity itself and other Christians viewing Fred Phelps as someone to take seriously because "well, he's a Christian too, so there must be something to what he is saying" without ever stopping to think he could be wrong because "Hey, he's a Christian" and now Fred Phelps gets to dictate what Christianity is and isn't for everyone else, the most extreme element winds up the running the show.

Because that's exactly what happened to the left wing, so deluded and assure of their own self righteousness were they that when they're own equivalents to Fred Phelps came out of the woodwork they couldn't recognize it for the extremism that it was, because it was often coming from "women and minorities" and in their worldview there was just no way someone from those groups could be wrong, if they were saying something, that meant it had to be taken seriously.

And if anyone else on the left called it out, oh, that's just because they're not real leftists, they're just secretly sexists and racists, that's the only reason they're daring to speak out against it, even if they are a woman and minority then they must have internalized sexism and racism, I know because these other women and minorities tell me so!

The left wing got too cocky, too full of itself and didn't have the ability to look in the mirror, now the nuts are running the nuthouse and if they're not stopped it's going to be a disaster for everyone, Jew or otherwise.


Hellbound Hellhound said:
Why would Jews want to "destroy" white people, when so many of them are white themselves? Do you seriously think that the sort of activists who genuinely want to tear down Western culture are broadly on the same side as the Jews and Israel? Have you actually studied their views and listened to their message?

I'm really not understanding your argument here. You don't have to hate anyone in order to stand against Nazis and fascists.
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To be fair, I don't think a lot of this has been spearheaded by Jews, but by blacks, blacks who genuinely hate white people because of slavery, Jews just go along with it because "well, I don't want to be on the side of the Nazis!" and thus blindly follow and run interference for whatever black radicals say and push on the left.

But they do so at their own peril because you are correct, a lot of these people who want to tear down Western culture are also opposed to Jews and Israel as well, look at that Nick Cannon controversy for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsHls1V6tE0

Identity politics are a dangerous fucking game friendo, once these "people of color" extremists annihilated white people, Jews would be next on the chopping block, because if you're playing the privilege game Jews would be an obvious number 2 behind white people and then so on from there until the entire human race has eliminated itself like Jonestown on a global scale, because what is at the heart of this ideology is anti-humanism, white people would be just the start.

I call out Jews promoting this evil ideology for their own sake, as much as anyone else's, because at the end of the day, no, Jews are not the cartoon villains they are portrayed to be, they are simply misguided and promoting an evil ideology out of fear of another evil ideology, not realizing the vicious cycle and the catch 22 they're stuck in.

It's time for us to get off this merry go round of radicalism and throw identity politics into the trash where it belongs and focus on what makes us all human, not our differences.
 
mr.moon1488 said:
It seems like it follows the same pattern every time too. Someone mentions the Jews because there was a legitimate reason for them to come up in conversation, and upon back and forth arguments with people discussing the topic you get a slew of Jew white knights who just spam negrates and then sperg out for five plus pages about "Jew sperging."
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It's funny because you can say the Chinese control media and academia and are fuelling shit like BLM, but if you point out it's the Jews suddenly you're "derailing the thread".

Dom Cruise said:
To be fair, I don't think a lot of this has been spearheaded by Jews, but by blacks, blacks who genuinely hate white people because of slavery, Jews just go along with it because "well, I don't want to be on the side of the Nazis!" and thus blindly follow and run interference for whatever black radicals say and push on the left.
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It was absolutely spearheaded by Jews and is maintained by them. Are you familiar with Melville Herskovits and the Boasians? If Jewish media wasn't constantly pushing a cherry picked anti-white narrative this BLM horseshit would collapse overnight. And they've been doing this for a thousand years, it isn't a "reaction to the Nazis". The Nazis were a reaction to this shit.
 
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By simply existing as ourselves, Jews undermine the vision of a world without difference. And so the things about us that make us different must be demonized, so that they can be erased or destroyed: Zionism is refashioned as colonialism; government officials justify the murder of innocent Jews in Jersey City; Jewish businesses can be looted because Jews “are the face of capital.” Jews are flattened into “white people,” our living history obliterated, so that someone with a straight face can suggest that the Holocaust was merely “white on white crime.”
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Hellbound Hellhound said:
This is literally a mantra straight from Stormfront. You're either incredibly impressionable and misinformed, or you're just plain incompetent at hiding your true beliefs. I won't automatically ascribe malice to something which can just as easily be explained by ignorance, but your choice of words here puts the rest of your argument on pretty shaky ground, to say the least.
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He's actually right about that one. Anti-racism in 2020 seems to be all about pushing White guilt and implying that minorities literally cannot be racist. It's a sad, bizarre state of affairs. Skim this workbook if you want to be horrified:


Dom Cruise said:
I mean what do you think the logical endpoint of "white privilege" is? It's basically saying that a white person's very existence is an act of racism, it's only a stones throw away from that to say the only solution is to annihilate white people, otherwise you'll never be free of "racism" so long as we exist, as our racism is a side effect of our very existence.
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A stone's throw away? It's closer than that.
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Gigantic Faggot said:
It was absolutely spearheaded by Jews and is maintained by them. Are you familiar with Melville Herskovits and the Boasians? If Jewish media wasn't constantly pushing a cherry picked anti-white narrative this BLM horseshit would collapse overnight. And they've been doing this for a thousand years, it isn't a "reaction to the Nazis". The Nazis were a reaction to this shit.
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Got a list of who actually controls the most pozzed media? I found this and it looks pretty darn multiracial:
 
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💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗 said:
Got a list of who actually controls the most pozzed media? I found this and it looks pretty darn multiracial:
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Off that list Newhouses are Jewish, Bloomberg is Jewish. Adelson is Jewish. Zuckerman is Jewish. Vekelsburg is Jewish. The ones that aren't Jewish or Jewish ancestry are generally pretty friendly to them. Only the Murdochs could be considered "hostile" I guess. Buffett is a great friend of Israel.The Cox family are Jew adjacent, very friendly with the zionist lobby, grammy Cox having recieved some ZOG awards from Jimmy Carter on behalf of some Israeli lobby group. Bezos is unknown, which is strange in and of itself.

Redstone family still controls National Amusements, Iger is in charge of Disney. Sulzberger controls NTY and subordinate brands, says he's an non practising episcopalian but Dad was a Jew. Symson who runs Scripps is a Jew.

That's off the top of my head.


Jews or their allies control a lot of media. Thats ok though ofcourse. Someone has to.
 

German foreign minister sees no link between anti-Semitism and mass immigration, but data says otherwise​

In a strong-worded seven-part Twitter entry, German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas singles out “right-wing extremism” as the greatest danger that his country is currently facing, but the way Germany records hate crime data is so misleading that it calls into question the veracity of Maas' claims.
His tweets come at the first anniversary of the Halle synagogue attack in which two people have been killed. In his tweet, Maas writes:
‘...There is now a right-wing extremist crime every 24 minutes in Germany. These are not isolated cases, but bitter right-wing extremist reality in Germany.
Right-wing terror has structures. It has networks. Right-wing terror is the greatest threat to our country. The perpetrators do not act alone...
Right-wing terror is globalized. Extremists feel strong because they find like-minded people in the darkest corners of the Internet, at demos and also in parliaments...
It is up to the state to ensure that everyone who lives here is protected. For this we need security services that are at the forefront in the fight against right-wing extremism and anti-Semitism...’

Maas refers to ‘right-wing’ extremism or terrorism exactly eight times in his tweets. It is worth pointing out that Maas' is not using the term 'far-right', instead he associates a mainstream political ideology with violence and destruction.
On such solemn occasions, leaders are undoubtedly expected to condemn all forms of extremism, but Maas' decision to single out the word ‘right-wing’ in his post raises suspicions that the primary goal was not to honor the victims, but instead appeared to be chance to exploit the occasion for political ends.
The fact that Maas is able to identify right-wing extremism as the main threat to German national security points to the obsolete and wholly inadequate way criminal statistics are collected by the German police. The laws dating back to times when the only threat to identity groups and minorities originated from home-grown neo-Nazi or skinhead groups mislabels all anti-Semitic incidents as far-right by default.

Furthermore, in Germany all crimes against minority or ethnic groups where the perpetrators are not identified are automatically logged as ‘far-right’. This is how, among others, Interior Minister Horst Seehofer could make the astonishing but undoubtedly false claim that in 2018 far-right groups were responsible for about 90 percent of the 1.800 anti-Semitic incidents in Germany.

The wording of the above legislation has conveniently been left untouched by German lawmakers and is regularly used by the media to conceal news and statistics pointing at rampant anti-Semitism among migrants from Islamic cultures. For instance, the infamous Al-Quds demonstration in June 2019 held in Berlin, where symbols of Palestinian terrorist groups were openly brandished and extremely offensive anti-Jewish slogans were chanted by pro-Palestinian protesters was also labelled deceptively as a ‘far-right’ demonstration by the media and authorities.

Both Maas’ and Seehoffer’s observations are in stark contrast with extremism statistics of other European countries, such as the Netherlands where reportedly 70 percent of anti-Semitic incidents are perpetrated by Muslim attackers. In Sweden, Muslim attacks against Jews are rampant, leading Jews to flee cities like Malmö.
According to another survey, Jewish victims of such attacks in Germany have said that in 57 percent of cases, the attacker was either of a Middle-Eastern appearance or have belonged to a far-left group, while only in 20 percent of cases did they claim that the perpetrators belonged to a far-right group. Even the German justice system seems to be affected by this distortion. An example for this is the Wuppertal synagogue arson in 2014, where the courts have refused to classify the attack by the three convicted Palestinians as anti-Semitic.

Even in rare instances where an attack is positively identified by authorities as one motivated by Islamic radicalism, the discussion of such incidents is in most cases politicized and fingers are pointed at critics who are not willing to conform to the government-advocated narrative. For instance, the 2016 Berlin Christmas market truck attack, perpetrated by failed Tunisian asylum seeker Anis Amri is currently being used to discredit Hans-Georg Maaßen, former President of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, who has been a vocal critic of the German government’s active refusal to discuss links between their immigration policies and Islamist terrorism.

Despite Maas' claim that right-wing extremism is the biggest threat in Germany, Islamic terror is arguably the bigger threat despite Muslims making up a relatively small part of Germany's population. Data from the German Federal Public Prosecutor (GBA) for 2019 that 400 of the total of 663 terrorist proceedings were related to Islamic terrorism, representing 60.3 percent of all cases, a finding that was also similar to previous years. The GBA data also demonstrated that Syrians, Afghans and Iraqis make up a significant number of terrorist suspects from the overall total.

The desperate rhetoric by which the political right is blamed for the rise of extremism, anti-Semitism and crime in the country is increasingly viewed as a diversion from the fact that every such attack points back directly to policy decisions made by the Merkel government. As is detectable from Maas’ tweets themselves, the German government is fighting to regain its shaky grip on a country that is irrevocably drifting away from its control.
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Gigantic Faggot said:
It's funny because you can say the Chinese control media and academia and are fuelling shit like BLM, but if you point out it's the Jews suddenly you're "derailing the thread".


It was absolutely spearheaded by Jews and is maintained by them. Are you familiar with Melville Herskovits and the Boasians? If Jewish media wasn't constantly pushing a cherry picked anti-white narrative this BLM horseshit would collapse overnight. And they've been doing this for a thousand years, it isn't a "reaction to the Nazis". The Nazis were a reaction to this shit.
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I didn't say it was a reaction soley to the Nazis, Jews have always been drawn to left wing ideologies because of historical persecution in western society from before the Nazis, but it absolutely was supercharged by the Nazis, now more than ever many of them are going to be pro-left out of fear of Nazis.

But you're right that the Nazis were in some way a reaction to it, it's happening again today, as I've said before, this is a vicious cycle and self fulfilling prophecy, Jews push more and more radical leftism out of fear of the radical right but in doing so they wind up only helping the radical right to begin with and on and on the vicious cycle goes.

The only answer is to break this cycle, that's why I think while there are valid criticisms to be made about Jews anyone who's going to go the route of Neo Nazi is only making things worse because make no mistake about it, like Samson destroying the temple, the Jews would bring about the downfall of the whole human race before they'd allow another holocaust to happen, I do believe that.

Step away from hate, instead only call out the hate of white people on the left, don't respond to hate with more hate, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

As for who's spearheading what, it's true that Jews play a very big part in left wing politics, but as for this most recent "woke" phenomenon that seems to have come about mostly thanks to blacks and self hating whites to me.

Historically it seems like Jewish lead leftism really was trying to promote people thinking of themselves as equal, but it's black radicals who have come along and tossed that out the window and instead replaced it with bald faced black supremacy and pure hatred for whites.

And as I've said before black supremacists don't like Jews either, they may be coy about it now ala "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" but Jews would be an obvious number 2 target after whites when it comes to "woke", we're already seeing this with how blatantly anti-Israel the woke left is, so tell me, how does it make any sense that a movement "spearheaded" by Jews is increasingly anti-Israel? Isn't Israel what it's all about?

💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗 said:
He's actually right about that one. Anti-racism in 2020 seems to be all about pushing White guilt and implying that minorities literally cannot be racist. It's a sad, bizarre state of affairs. Skim this workbook if you want to be horrified:




A stone's throw away? It's closer than that.
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Indeed, how you can deny "anti-racism is a code word for anti-white" when they literally say a non-white person can not be racist?

The "progressive stack" is exactly the wrong way to think about the human race, that kind of thinking will be what brings the end of our species, it's a roadmap to endless conflict and we've outgrown our ability to tolerate violent conflict, our weapons are simply too powerful now, if we don't start listening to our better nature one day the missiles are going to fly and it'll be game over.
 
Koby_Fish said:
Funny thing, I was surprised when I found antisemitism coming from the Far Left. I was under the presupposition previously that it was only a "right wing" (read: nahtzee) thing. There was a left-wing group in town in the 80s and 90s, probably disbanded because the originators have since shuffled off the mortal coil, who published sheets of paper about various left-wing conspiracy theories, praising Venezuela and Castro's Cuba, saying "LOL just print our own money to pay for things" (Zimbabwe and Weimar Germany would like a word) and warning about the evils of "the banks". They made the mistake of mentioning the quiet part out loud to someone I know, confirming that "the banks" was just code for "Da Jooz". They were also "anti-Zionist" and "pro-Palestine".
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Look up Black Israelites lol. They LOVE Hitler.
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brahmarakshasasolempi said:
Off that list Newhouses are Jewish, Bloomberg is Jewish. Adelson is Jewish. Zuckerman is Jewish. Vekelsburg is Jewish. The ones that aren't Jewish or Jewish ancestry are generally pretty friendly to them. Only the Murdochs could be considered "hostile" I guess. Buffett is a great friend of Israel.The Cox family are Jew adjacent, very friendly with the zionist lobby, grammy Cox having recieved some ZOG awards from Jimmy Carter on behalf of some Israeli lobby group. Bezos is unknown, which is strange in and of itself.

Redstone family still controls National Amusements, Iger is in charge of Disney. Sulzberger controls NTY and subordinate brands, says he's an non practising episcopalian but Dad was a Jew. Symson who runs Scripps is a Jew.

That's off the top of my head.


Jews or their allies control a lot of media. Thats ok though ofcourse. Someone has to.
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Being Zionist does not mean being Jew-adjacent, though. That's like calling a Black man White-adjacent for voting Trump. NYT is currently under the control of a Mexican by the way. The Sulzbergers are still involved, but Carlos Slim owns the most shares. Iger is no longer in charge of Disney, Bob Chapek (who appears to be a White gentile) is the current CEO.

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Here's another list:
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The source is shitty but the claims seem to be accurate. Googling these people brings up nothing about them being Jewish with the exception of Brian Roberts.

The question is: why do these non-Jews support Israel so vehemently? And why are they pushing for something most Israelites do not want?
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/m...refer-donald-trump-over-joe-biden-poll-645493
https://archive.md/GKSs4
 
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Dom Cruise said:
I didn't say it was a reaction soley to the Nazis, Jews have always been drawn to left wing ideologies because of historical persecution in western society from before the Nazis, but it absolutely was supercharged by the Nazis, now more than ever many of them are going to be pro-left out of fear of Nazis.

But you're right that the Nazis were in some way a reaction to it, it's happening again today, as I've said before, this is a vicious cycle and self fulfilling prophecy, Jews push more and more radical leftism out of fear of the radical right but in doing so they wind up only helping the radical right to begin with and on and on the vicious cycle goes.

The only answer is to break this cycle, that's why I think while there are valid criticisms to be made about Jews anyone who's going to go the route of Neo Nazi is only making things worse because make no mistake about it, like Samson destroying the temple, the Jews would bring about the downfall of the whole human race before they'd allow another holocaust to happen, I do believe that.

Step away from hate, instead only call out the hate of white people on the left, don't respond to hate with more hate, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

As for who's spearheading what, it's true that Jews play a very big part in left wing politics, but as for this most recent "woke" phenomenon that seems to have come about mostly thanks to blacks and self hating whites to me.

Historically it seems like Jewish lead leftism really was trying to promote people thinking of themselves as equal, but it's black radicals who have come along and tossed that out the window and instead replaced it with bald faced black supremacy and pure hatred for whites.

And as I've said before black supremacists don't like Jews either, they may be coy about it now ala "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" but Jews would be an obvious number 2 target after whites when it comes to "woke", we're already seeing this with how blatantly anti-Israel the woke left is, so tell me, how does it make any sense that a movement "spearheaded" by Jews is increasingly anti-Israel? Isn't Israel what it's all about?



Indeed, how you can deny "anti-racism is a code word for anti-white" when they literally say a non-white person can not be racist?

The "progressive stack" is exactly the wrong way to think about the human race, that kind of thinking will be what brings the end of our species, it's a roadmap to endless conflict and we've outgrown our ability to tolerate violent conflict, our weapons are simply too powerful now, if we don't start listening to our better nature one day the missiles are going to fly and it'll be game over.
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You sound nervous.
 
💗Bitchstopher Columbitch💗 said:
The question is: why do these non-Jews support Israel so vehemently? And why are they pushing for something most Israelites do not want?
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/m...refer-donald-trump-over-joe-biden-poll-645493
https://archive.md/GKSs4
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I can explain this, a lot of Christians believe that the existence of the state of Israel is a fulfillment of Biblical prophecy, it is in fact the key proponent of Biblical prophecy, that's the real reason why the Republican party is so pro-Israel.

Gigantic Faggot said:
You sound nervous.
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What's that supposed to mean?
 
Based Negro:

You can literally call for the genocide of the White race and nothing bad will happen to you, but say anything negative about the Self-Chosen Ones and you're fucked. Why is that? It's because White people don't hold the structural/institutional power in Western countries: Jews do. Noticing this fact is apparently anti-Semitic though. This is gaslighting on a massive fucking scale.

Malignant cunt (((Barbara Lerner Spectre))) calls for the destruction of Christian European ethnic societies:

They push for "diversity", flooding formerly White countries with turd worlders, then piss and moan about a subsequent rise in anti-Semitism. "The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you."

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