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That's super interesting. I assume Chris views you as a friend/aquaintence? Are you able to share the origins story? Or if it's already been chronicled on here, where could i find it?
 
neural said:
Why not?.
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Because people propping up Chris and shielding him from repercussions, everytime he has to face the consequances of his actions/inaction or the normal responsibilities of adult life is exactly why Chris is the disfunctional mess that he is.

This is "helping" Chris in the same way that his parents paying people to be his friends and responding to every problem with "it's not your fault sweetie; they must just be evil people who hate autistics" was "helping" Chris.
 
Snuckening said:
Because people propping up Chris and shielding him from repercussions, everytime he has to face the consequances of his actions/inaction or the normal responsibilities of adult life is exactly why Chris is the disfunctional mess that he is.

This is "helping" Chris in the same way that his parents paying people to be his friends and responding to every problem with "it's not your fault sweetie; they must just be evil people who hate autistics" was "helping" Chris.
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He makes money from home, has been his own boss for his entire adult life, and has thousands of people hanging on his every word. I’m not seeing the downside to his lifestyle.
 
Snuckening said:
Because people propping up Chris and shielding him from repercussions, everytime he has to face the consequances of his actions/inaction or the normal responsibilities of adult life is exactly why Chris is the disfunctional mess that he is.

This is "helping" Chris in the same way that his parents paying people to be his friends and responding to every problem with "it's not your fault sweetie; they must just be evil people who hate autistics" was "helping" Chris.
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Why does Chris need to face the repercussions for anything? He is an actual human being just like we are, not some fictional character (as much as he tends to blur that particular line), he does not merely exist to finish a story arc and fulfill whatever dramatic ending you (or anyone, myself included) may have in mind.
 
Snuckening said:
Because people propping up Chris and shielding him from repercussions, everytime he has to face the consequances of his actions/inaction or the normal responsibilities of adult life is exactly why Chris is the disfunctional mess that he is.

This is "helping" Chris in the same way that his parents paying people to be his friends and responding to every problem with "it's not your fault sweetie; they must just be evil people who hate autistics" was "helping" Chris.
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I agree it's a crutch, but if somebody has been walking with crutches their entire life, you can't just kick the crutches away and miraculously cure 3 decades of atrophy.

If somebody helped Chris by fixing his housing situation, reinvigorated his Patreon by providing pledge goals people actually want and will actually be delivered, and convinced him to stick to a budget and only spend like $300 a month on toys and vidya, Chris's life would be immeasurably better in the long term. He's not going to be the CEO of a company, but he'll probably be able to support himself.
 
Null said:
Not going to happen. I have a plan for that.

I've thought this over and considering the unimaginable ripple effect Chris has had on the Internet, I feel a strong obligation to make token efforts to help him out. This is one of those things. It's easy, takes no time at all, has a huge benefit for Chris and for us. Once Barb dies I will help him with the estate and figure out some way to salvage the property from debtors.
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Null Adopts Chris Saga
 
What he really needs to do is declare bankruptcy. That would allow him to shed all that bullshit consumer credit. The other issue is whether they’re able to get a lien on the property. If they do, that runs with the property whoever inherits it and, in theory, could be foreclosed on. Still, foreclosing on it even if they could do that, might not be very practical and might cost more than it’s worth. Often, they’ll just wait around until you die, knowing they’ll get it.

The worst thing that could happen is for there to be a lien on the house before Barb dies, because then they could insist on the lien being satisfied before the house could be transferred to Chris, and force a sale. Chris would still get any equity remaining, but he’d have to move.

All this is speculative, since we don’t know exactly how much Barb has fucked over Chris, how much shit she has had him co-sign with her, and how much she’s encumbered the house with secured loans, i.e. ones they can easily foreclose on.
 
neural said:
Why does Chris need to face the repercussions for anything? He is an actual human being just like we are, not some fictional character (as much as he tends to blur that particular line), he does not merely exist to finish a story arc and fulfill whatever dramatic ending you (or anyone, myself included) may have in mind.
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I'm not pushing some moral "he deserves homelessness" angle. I'm saying that sustainable, non-crutch help/change will require change from chris, otherwise its pissing inthe wind, delaying the inevitable- and likely to exasperate Chris' existing drama, scammers, stress he can't deal with, etc.;

IMO the closest to 'susainable' Chris is likely to get is some kind of state care or assisted living. Defi itely not the short-term-reprieve-but-long-term-extra-responsibility of managing that property on top of just managing his life which he already struggles with.
 
Snuckening said:
I'm not pushing some moral "he deserves homelessness" angle. I'm saying that sustainable, non-crutch help/change will require change from chris, otherwise its pissing inthe wind, delaying the inevitable- and likely to exasperate Chris' existing drama, scammers, stress he can't deal with, etc.;

IMO the closest to 'susainable' Chris is likely to get is some kind of state care or assisted living. Defi itely not the short-term-reprieve-but-long-term-extra-responsibility of managing that property on top of just managing his life which he already struggles with.
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I personally think that the available long term solutions won't work with Chris, not while he still has people constantly fucking with him, if you give/get him a job, someone will fuck with that, if you get him an apartment, someone will fuck with that too and so on.. Hell, even his personally-curated hugbox was completely fucked with, and with that his entire approach to reality. I agree with you that Chris needs someone to essentially and effectively micromanage his life for him, and I know that a lot of people will cite Rocky, but she was and still is clearly unequipped to deal with trolling, which is something that clearly won't be the case here..

Also, consider that the so-called "inevitable" has been looming for over a decade now, and it still didn't arrive, I think that's because Chris is somehow both more and less capable of handling himself, like, he handles tasks like cash generation far better than anyone would ever expect, but somehow fucks up the simplest of things like basic hair styling and care.. And he won't necessarily develop enough to be able to handle IRL things any better than he already is, so any thoughts about teaching Chris how to fish are just impossible to achieve to me, with him, it will have to be one band-aid after another for the rest of his life..
 
Subconcious Offense said:
Are you prepared for the possibility that it may be in vain? Rocky has been helping him for years with no improvement to his living situation.
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Rocky filmed that lego video in mcdonalds for him a few years ago. That was a huge help.

But that's the most useful thing she's done in the past few years.
Snuckening said:
I'm saying that sustainable, non-crutch help/change will require change from chris, otherwise its pissing inthe wind, delaying the inevitable- and likely to exasperate Chris' existing drama, scammers, stress he can't deal with, etc.;

IMO the closest to 'susainable' Chris is likely to get is some kind of state care or assisted living. Defi itely not the short-term-reprieve-but-long-term-extra-responsibility of managing that property on top of just managing his life which he already struggles with.
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What do you think Chris' biggest problems are?
Snuckening said:
Yeah, Chris is living the dream and making all the right choices.
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The right choices are the ones that work. And Chris' work, if not for the deluge of speds on the internet. Which null is handling with this thread.
 
That feel when you’re so blindingly autistic, the former Cwcki Forums works with Chris to make fun of you together.
Honestly, I kinda want to see a happy ending for Chris.
So many of our cows are such deliberately cruel, maladjusted, bitter cocksuckers, but Chris? He just wants to play vidya and talk about cartoons and shit. He's not a rapist or a pedophile, he's not trying to dox and kill everyone here, he's just a giant harmless doofus doing the best he can. Kinda.

We owe him a little help, it's the least we could do, really.
 
Marvin said:
Rocky filmed that lego video in mcdonalds for him a few years ago. That was a huge help.
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You mind linking that? I can't recall it at all..

TheMockTurtle said:
how did this turn into another "what will Chris do when Barb dies" thread
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When people started REEing because of the orange part below, but to be honest, these days, nearly all Chris discussions devolve into that anyway, what with the resurgence of the Financhu Crisis and all, it's like our own version of Godwin's law.
Null said:
Not going to happen. I have a plan for that.

I've thought this over and considering the unimaginable ripple effect Chris has had on the Internet, I feel a strong obligation to make token efforts to help him out. This is one of those things. It's easy, takes no time at all, has a huge benefit for Chris and for us. Once Barb dies I will help him with the estate and figure out some way to salvage the property from debtors.
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@Nool do you have a plan B theorized in case 14BC can't be financially salvaged or isn't worth it or far more trouble than it's worth? It couldn't hurt to have those bases covered.
 
Null said:
does he give tranx folx like you a baaaad name
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no hes just a moron who hasnt had any real hardship in his life and it would be nice for him to finally feel some.

AnOminous said:
What he really needs to do is declare bankruptcy. That would allow him to shed all that bullshit consumer credit. The other issue is whether they’re able to get a lien on the property. If they do, that runs with the property whoever inherits it and, in theory, could be foreclosed on. Still, foreclosing on it even if they could do that, might not be very practical and might cost more than it’s worth. Often, they’ll just wait around until you die, knowing they’ll get it.

The worst thing that could happen is for there to be a lien on the house before Barb dies, because then they could insist on the lien being satisfied before the house could be transferred to Chris, and force a sale. Chris would still get any equity remaining, but he’d have to move.

All this is speculative, since we don’t know exactly how much Barb has fucked over Chris, how much shit she has had him co-sign with her, and how much she’s encumbered the house with secured loans, i.e. ones they can easily foreclose on.
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Liens are automatic in Virginia when court judgments are rendered.
 
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