One Piece - I'm Gonna Be the Pirate King!

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6MillionCoofs said:
Like Aokiji failed at his job at Ohara which directly led to a country being oppressed and a guy being seconds away from having a world ending super weapon, got the entire court system destroyed, is practically the reason they almost lost at Marineford and then joined Blackbeard, a dude who’s crew is full of people Aokiji probably helped lockef up and whose openly said he wants to destroy the world.

And everyone is like ‘yeah, makes sense’
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Do..you really think Kuzan isn't playing Blackbeard?
 
@6MillionCoofs

Nigga, the World Gov’t doesn’t keep the world safe. They shake down Kingdoms trying to trade with each other and if the Kingdom can’t then “pirates” raid them (White Beard’s backstory).

Crocodile’s plan was using Alabastia to cause a rebellion against the WG. Primarily because the sand made him unfucking beatable and because he wanted a weapon in Poseidon. Akoji failing to crush Robin’s windpipe or throw her child skull against a rock didn’t cause Alabastia, Crocodile already was working towards it by time he met Robin who’d been running from hit squads since she was 8.

The only reason why the Marines have a good rap is because they censor every time they genocide a kingdom or pull an Exodus on the first born male in East Blue. Most pirates in setting only become pirates because of the marines being accessory to rape and murder.
 
You know now that I think about it.

It was really convenient timing that Perona found Koby just as Garp and Co were arriving, I wonder if Kuzan had something to do with that.
 
HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
@6MillionCoofs

Nigga, the World Gov’t doesn’t keep the world safe. They shake down Kingdoms trying to trade with each other and if the Kingdom can’t then “pirates” raid them (White Beard’s backstory).

Crocodile’s plan was using Alabastia to cause a rebellion against the WG. Primarily because the sand made him unfucking beatable and because he wanted a weapon in Poseidon. Akoji failing to crush Robin’s windpipe or throw her child skull against a rock didn’t cause Alabastia, Crocodile already was working towards it by time he met Robin who’d been running from hit squads since she was 8.

The only reason why the Marines have a good rap is because they censor every time they genocide a kingdom or pull an Exodus on the first born male in East Blue. Most pirates in setting only become pirates because of the marines being accessory to rape and murder.
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I feel like I’m about to become a broken record: THE POINT OF THE WORLD GOVERNMENT IS TO SHOW HOW CORRUPT IT IS!

*calms down* The World Government is basically a few steps above the average authoritarian government in fiction: They’re different from The Galactic Empire and The Party in that there’s government policies that actually matter (namely the Warlords and the Celestial Dragons), what really matters is that they have absolute power amd control, and will do anything and everything to keep it, along with doing anything and everything to crush a threat to their standing.

It’s why the Void Century is a thing. It’s why the Gorosei are so obsessed with the state of the world and keeping the status quo, and why Luffy is a thorn in their side.

And the other thing about the government is that the actions of any “good” Marines is seen as something that goes against how they view justice. Or it’s something that’s rendered irrelevant, like how abolishing the warlord system leads to the development of the seraphim program. There’s also the aspect that image is everything, and they won’t bother to listen to anybody who’d go against their preferred narrative. Anything seen as a net positive from an individual Marine is basically seen as a drop in the ocean. Or eventually rendered meaningless.

The whole of One Piece has been basically showing how rotten the World Government really is. And the longer it goes, the deeper the rot is shown to be. And I have to assume Oda is building up to how this got set up in the endgame.

I have to believe that the end of the series is going to at least have it be where the Celestial Dragons lose everything they’ve enjoyed being above the law, and the reign of Imu and the Gorosei is brought to an end.
 
@Random Internet Person

My issue with the Marines is that you can’t even call the “Good ones” good because the aims of the organization is so evil. It’s the point of the series, but the fan base of the series is full of Mexican speed readers who can’t understand the X from last chapter was not actually on Luffy’s arm.

Fujitora is the only one who actually could argued to be good because he literally isn’t afraid to pull punches and directly go against orders.

Everyone else, especially Koby, is evil.
 
HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
@Random Internet Person

My issue with the Marines is that you can’t even call the “Good ones” good because the aims of the organization is so evil. It’s the point of the series, but the fan base of the series is full of Mexican speed readers who can’t understand the X from last chapter was not actually on Luffy’s arm.

Fujitora is the only one who actually could argued to be good because he literally isn’t afraid to pull punches and directly go against orders.

Everyone else, especially Koby, is evil.
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I wouldn’t call them “evil”, just “unable to create any lasting change because the WG is all powerful and is all too willing to send a message no matter how petty”.

And as bad as many WG people are, it ain’t like the pirates are all virtuous like Luffy and Whitebeard. Hell, I’d be willing to say that just as Oda is showing the government and Marines are increasingly rotten, he’s showing that there’s pirates that are bad news beyond the typical “lie, cheat, and steal” activities typically associated with pirates.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Do..you really think Kuzan isn't playing Blackbeard?
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I just wonder what his goal is. You'd think Garp showing up would be the perfect time to spring his attack on Blackbeard, taking out a good portion of his top pirates and beehive or not, he'd be able to solo the rest of the minor pirates that went after him. Hachinosu would've been entirely conquered in less than an hour.
 
Lone Star said:
I just wonder what his goal is. You'd think Garp showing up would be the perfect time to spring his attack on Blackbeard, taking out a good portion of his top pirates and beehive or not, he'd be able to solo the rest of the minor pirates that went after him. Hachinosu would've been entirely conquered in less than an hour.
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At what point do you start to think Kuzan truly believes in what Blackbeard is pushing? This whole thing started because he didn’t get a promotion.
 
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>Someone with a big nose & someone from the desert are manipulating the news.
What did Oda mean by this subtle hint?
 
Random Internet Person said:
I wouldn’t call them “evil”, just “unable to create any lasting change because the WG is all powerful and is all too willing to send a message no matter how petty”.

And as bad as many WG people are, it ain’t like the pirates are all virtuous like Luffy and Whitebeard. Hell, I’d be willing to say that just as Oda is showing the government and Marines are increasingly rotten, he’s showing that there’s pirates that are bad news beyond the typical “lie, cheat, and steal” activities typically associated with pirates.
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I’d call them evil because they ultimately aid evil in its goals.

Pirates in setting are more self-interested and not lying to themselves about shit. The Marines regularly use the media to smear people like Kuma and Robin as evil. Crocodile is more noble than Garp, Fraud of the Marines. Garp lets evil knowingly happen because.
 
HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
I’d call them evil because they ultimately aid evil in its goals.

Pirates in setting are more self-interested and not lying to themselves about shit. The Marines regularly use the media to smear people like Kuma and Robin as evil. Crocodile is more noble than Garp, Fraud of the Marines. Garp lets evil knowingly happen because.
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Again, it’s the system. The whole thing about the government, the Marines, and its structure is not only what they do to keep power and go after threats, but also Oda showing that the whole structure is awful and the only way to truly fix it is to basically blow it up and start from zero (at least that’s my analysis).

And the picture is being painted that the only person to change everything is the person who finds The One Piece…which is looking like it’ll be Luffy, the guy who speaks of freedom and people being able to do what they want, completely different from the government letting people keep slaves, the WG suppressing information and letting pirates do whatever they want without consequence as long as they agree to do the bidding of the Gorosei. And that’s before you take into account the picture the government presents is a lie since Imu is kept hidden away.

And again, you say “good men do nothing so evil thrives”. I see it as “even if good men do something, the good they end up doing ends up amounting to diddly squat in the face of the evil in front of them.”
 
HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
I’d call them evil because they ultimately aid evil in its goals.

Pirates in setting are more self-interested and not lying to themselves about shit. The Marines regularly use the media to smear people like Kuma and Robin as evil. Crocodile is more noble than Garp, Fraud of the Marines. Garp lets evil knowingly happen because.
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I think the reason why Garp lets all that shit happen and not leave the marines is because there would be a price to pay.

I could see the WG going after his island due to him knowing too much for ex. Celestial Dragons doing hunting trips on an island's population.

Kuzan didn't get to leave the Marines alive out of goodwill, it's because going after him would be a shit idea due to Blackbeard.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Do..you really think Kuzan isn't playing Blackbeard?
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They're obviously playing each other, in true pirate fashion.

Blackbeard seems focused on creating an alliance of common interest rather than a loyal crew/fleet. I don't doubt his captains would stab him in the back the first chance they got. He just happens to have the one DF no one's crazy enough to fuck with.
 
Random Internet Person said:
And again, you say “good men do nothing so evil thrives”. I see it as “even if good men do something, the good they end up doing ends up amounting to diddly squat in the face of the evil in front of them.”
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There are people who do good such as Dragon and Luffy. The average Marine who protects small towns or even cities from criminals might not wish to bring harm to anyone but the stronger members are the lackeys of the WG no questions asked unless they are like Smoker and Fujitora that refuse orders. One cop steals money from a citizen, the other does not approve but covers it up anyway. Question is: Who is corrupt? The answer: Both, one for stealing and the other for covering it up. One might be worse but both are guilty.

As for Kuzan, I doubt he agrees with everything BB does but I also believe he likes him more than he does Sakazuki or the Celestial Dragons. At least, I think he will stay his hand until Imu is down.
 
Tinnitus said:
I think the reason why Garp lets all that shit happen and not leave the marines is because there would be a price to pay.
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I think his plan is/was to take shit over from within like Giorno in Jojo Pt 5 did with Passione and none of his Kids (or Ace) got strong enough and far enough to get let in on the plan, the Marines are at least trending in the Direction of Garpand Sengoku's Will at least. The only person in a high position of the Marines at the moment who seem to remotely agree with The Celestial Dragon's ideology is Greenbull/Aramaki.

Borsalino was obviously unhappy with having to kill Vegapunk.
Issho is outright Unhappy with how shit currently is and will 100% Betray the World Government when Imu becomes known.
Sakazuki seems loyal but we have seen him repeatedly unhappy with his higher ups and finding out that he is getting dicked around by the Celestial Dragons and Imu might piss him off.
 
HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
I’d call them evil because they ultimately aid evil in its goals.

Pirates in setting are more self-interested and not lying to themselves about shit. The Marines regularly use the media to smear people like Kuma and Robin as evil. Crocodile is more noble than Garp, Fraud of the Marines. Garp lets evil knowingly happen because.
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As you know, all soldiers and police officers must be evil, as their government is corrupt.

That's plain faulty logic right there.
 
i have always seen the marines as people who believe they are fighting the good fight. but for every good marine trying to help people there is another who is just interested in having power and abusing it.

SWORD members are just the ones who are more willing to fight for their ideal of justice. they are like the name says a weapon of the world government to discard without issue should the time arise.

the only marines i would say are actually evil are the ones who know the secrets the world government keeps hidden and refuse to do anything about it or still support them in general.
 
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