One Piece - I'm Gonna Be the Pirate King!

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UCT said:
The only project like that I know is called One Pace. It’s supposed to cut the anime down to be more like the manga. I’ve never watched it myself though. For the fillers just google one piece filler arcs and that should be good. One Piece doesn’t have the same problem with filler as shows like Naruto and Bleach did. Where those shows would have like whole 20+ episodes of filler arcs. One pieces filler is a few episodes usually just enough to get a few chapters out. Generally it’s filler is before and after a new arc, and if there’s a movie coming out there will be a few episodes of special filler that are supposed to connect to the movie.
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Whatever Toei helps by not doing 20+ episodes of filler arcs is ruined by the fact that they spend 3 mins per episode animating a single panel of someone gawking at something.
Oilspill Battery said:
What's the anime canon category supposed to be? Changes made from the manga specifically for the anime that are referenced in later episodes?
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Anime canon is basically stuff that Oda wanted to put in the manga but couldn't because of time constraints or some arbitrary constraint like wanting to hit an event by a specific chapter (e.g. Chapter 100). Given the length of the series, he has had several of these situations happen. Some of these were also included in other adaptations, like novels, as well.

By the way, the autists on the Wikia have a pretty good guide too. This is what I followed when I first watched it.
 
UCT said:
ike Dressrosa is just such a hard watch in the anime even to this day because Toei felt the need to drag everything out to the max and had to make it so the first seven minutes of every episode was “last time on One Piece shit”
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they've been doing this since impel down
 
Sinner's Sandwich said:
I didn't watch the live action series yet but I saw pictures and what I like is that the characters actually look very similar to their manga/anime versions. That's what Marvel rarely does. Have you seen the movie version of Kraven the Hunter?
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Of course it looks silly because it's a fucking comic book character but the audience wants to see exactly that. They don't want boring, toned down versions with boring colors & boring personalities. But the fucking suits don't understand this simply fact.
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Netflix somehow not turning One Piece for "modern audiences" is either a miracle on Netflix's part, or Oda tard-wrangling the ever-loving fuck out of the series from Netflix. Also, somehow manga adaptions rarely ever get into "muh realism" compared to western capeshit, even Western ones rarely go the "realistic" route.

As for Kraven the Hunter, I will be laughing my ass off if they toned it down even more than the trailers show. It looks so bland already I can't imagine how it might either become even more soulless or an ironic meme like Morbius.

Seriously, the fact that even some random Indian movie, which we have a thread on, gets the soul & comical crazyness of Kraven more than it's own movie is just funny & sad in it's own way. Mind you, said film isn't even fully fictional either, it's a fanfic about what if 2 IRL freedom fighters fought & revolted together, who actually did some of the unbelievable stuff in the film.

It's like Hollywood doesn't realise that the entire point of a comic movie is to be fucking comical. Realism is the anti-thesis to these types of genres, even films like John Wick understood this by it's 2nd-3rd film. Yet somehow ironically manga live actions, even western ones, rarely face this problem.
 
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Focken Kiwi said:
And my personal desire is that the live action series somehow gets to Momoiro Island.
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Don't have to wait that long for the crossdressers. Bon Clay is waiting.
TheAmbiguousLurker said:
I think the problem with the Mihawk fight is that, without the inner monologue, music and Zoro's actor really restraining himself on expressions; it doesn't have any of the desperation that made it impactful. As well as, again, them changing Mihawk's introduction to be far more casual than foreboding.
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Pretty much. The whole thing is lacking in scale, while Mihawk has a degree of style he lacks the menace from the anime and the best way of giving that was the buildup given with Kreig's destroyed ship and crew, something somehow less impressive by showing him doing it because Mihawk does not feel as dangerous because of the much more limited numbers he actually takes on.

This is actually worse by the live action show's ending since the last episode confirms Garp has basically been following Luffy around like his own set of training wheels to make sure the kid is ready. Which flies heftily in the face of how competent the crew were at the start of the manga and was why they were able to take on the challenges they did.
Luffy - only got his training before setting out expanded on with things like his time with Ace and Sabo but at bare minimum has been getting Garp raising him to be an above average ass kicker.
Zoro - doesn't have the same training benefits as the above or below in terms of teachers but is one of the most infamous bounty hunters in East Blue. Which still makes him a big fish in a little pond but this is where the plot takes place for now
Sanji - his life is cooking and getting his ass kicked by Zeff. Unsurprisingly he's good at both
Nami - has been working for the Arlong pirates as a child trying to pull a long con on them. She's an accomplished thief and con artist with spectacular navigation capability and while not on the scale of any of the above in combat is still pretty capable
Usopp - every crew needs a mascot
 
Just saw the Luffy Help me scene


I just cannot see this as anything more than dedicated cosplayers. I am amazed it was left for the most part intact (though Nami's first stab having 0 blood got a snicker from me) since modern wamhen asking help from man and all of that. But I still default to this


And there is no contest.

Also doesn't help that the real live fucked the walk.
 
ShitLurker said:
Also doesn't help that the real live fucked the walk.
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It's even worse than that. That live action scene, it's this section of the manga.
The stuff with the villagers in that chapter? Comes after the scene with the Straw Hats you linked. They swapped the order.
I have no idea why they decided to do this. It makes no damn sense. But they did it. I am sure people will be surprised to hear it's not the worst decisions made from those episodes but it is one of the most baffling
 
Morethanabitfoolish said:
It's even worse than that. That live action scene, it's this section of the manga.
The stuff with the villagers in that chapter? Comes after the scene with the Straw Hats you linked. They swapped the order.
I have no idea why they decided to do this. It makes no damn sense. But they did it. I am sure people will be surprised to hear it's not the worst decisions made from those episodes but it is one of the most baffling
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What a random as fuck order swap. So does Nami also go in with a fake smile trying to get the villagers to calm down? And I imagine Zorro's underlings don't even exist, so what stops the villagers from getting themselves butchered? And the whole point is that Nami failed 100% after the villagers told her that "it's fine,we accept death".
 
ShitLurker said:
What a random as fuck order swap. So does Nami also go in with a fake smile trying to get the villagers to calm down? And I imagine Zorro's underlings don't even exist, so what stops the villagers from getting themselves butchered? And the whole point is that Nami failed 100% after the villagers told her that "it's fine,we accept death".
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I'll get to the episode and hopefully cover all of it but in order
Not really though they do sort of try something similar, yep they are gone the way of a long list of supporting characters, the Straw Hat crew go instead. Yeah, like you say it was meant to be absolute rock bottom and they swapped the order because fuck these Netflix writers.

Speaking of, courtesy of people posting over on Arlong Park

There were a couple of things that took some persuading, and if there was something that Oda-san was really, really unhappy with, we found a way to change it. But there were some things that we tried and got into the show, that initially he was a little gun-shy about. One of those was moving up-- we structurally moved a couple things up that don't happen until much later chapters, and so one of them for example was bringing up Garp as a more present character in the first 8 episodes. Bringing in Koby, bringing in Helmeppo, and having that marine pursuit be present and on the Straw Hats and on Luffy's tail almost from the get-go from episode 2. It was a big change, and I thought it was something we really needed in order to keep the stakes up and let it feel like it wasn't just a fun adventure where we were meeting different antagonists and different villains and pirates, but where there was an actual kind of organized presence and fearsome presence was behind Luffy and pursuing. So that was definitely a big challenge.
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ShitLurker said:
Just saw the Luffy Help me scene

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AZoG-EYidbw
I just cannot see this as anything more than dedicated cosplayers. I am amazed it was left for the most part intact (though Nami's first stab having 0 blood got a snicker from me) since modern wamhen asking help from man and all of that. But I still default to this

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Oa4gZfF_LYE
And there is no contest.

Also doesn't help that the real live fucked the walk.
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It's such an awkward stop to the momentum.

"Let's go." "Right!" Alright, time to walk to Arlong Park with that kickass soundtra- *Scene suddenly stops so they can slowly look over the ruined village and Genzo can tell them that Nojiko told everyone that Nami was actually the good guy.*

There's no epic walk, there's no hyping up from the side characters that the Straw Hats are gonna fuck shit up, there's no Luffy kicking in Arlong's door and slugging him (since Luffy's interaction with Arlong is, like Mihawk, made a much more casual conversation at the Baratie), they just show up, Zoro and Sanji start fighting and Luffy and Nami fuck off to the map room for some reason where Arlong shows up before they can leave. Even bringing Arlong Park down doesn't seem as focused around destroying the room that Nami was abused in, Luffy just punches a pillar and goes 'Well, maybe I can't take you down, but I can take down everything you've built!'.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
just bite the bullet and go watch the anime
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Please don't do this to yourself. Reading the manga, and watching the anime for fights and impactful scenes is the ideal way at this point.

With the episode coming out this Saturday, there'll be 1075 episodes of the anime not counting recap/special episodes. Assuming 20 minutes per episode, that's nearly 360 hours, or 15 nonstop days. If you do it in a reasonable pace of 3 episodes (~1h)/day, it'd still take you nearly a year to catch up.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Once again, normies ruin everything. Modern audiences are so fucked they can't even enjoy a fun swashbuckling adventure with some random(?) one-off(?) villain-of-the-week without feeling like they need "actual stakes" from the get-go to enjoy the characters' adventures.
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Not even just that. It's that they felt fighting a clown, butler and shark pirates all with various plans that will see them as becoming even more dangerous threats to the areas they are in were not sufficient stakes.
If a violent race supremacist who literally eats people, plans to rule a region the equivalent of a country as a warlord and is working with corrupt law enforcement is not impressive enough as a threat then that's the writer's failure, 100%.

Also the Marines aren't a threat in this. This is the biggest issue with their idiocy. Axe-Hand Morgan comes across okay but Garp never feels like an actual threat to the crew.

In contrast in the anime Smoker rocks up and is immediately a credible danger which is how the ranking members of the Marines should be introduced. Everyone prior to him was either largely weak or corrupt. Only when they got to a major city did they run into actual Marines which is also why the pirates were able to thrive in East Blue, by avoiding those sort of Marines. Hell, Kuro's entire plan was to faking his death to avoid the navy because they would not let him go since he had managed to earn their ire.
 
I watched it. I liked it. The pacing sometimes feels off, and like context is missing, but I liked it. The wanted poster scenes were the best part of the show.

I will say if you're a hardcore fan who hates any Western, or normie shit, you're probably not gonna like it, but if you're a casual, or new to the series check it out.
 
I torn on the Garp stuff, on the one hand, early OP should be light hearted fun.

On the other, Garp spends Marineford mad that his family never listen to him and he tried to teach them to become Marines to stop stuff like Marineford from happening. But the manga shows he doesn’t. He leaves Luffy in the care of someone in the mountain and then only shows up to lightly scold him after Luffy has destroyed the institution of justice. And even then does not care. So his speech to Ace and Luffy feel hollow. And since I don’t think Ofa is going to have Garp go out realising he was lying to himself the entire time and made everything worse…I doubt Garp’s actions not matching with what he says they are will ever be addressed.

Garp actually following Luffy from the start fixes that issue. It also allows us to see Koby learning and growing, the lack of which in the anime and manga is a rather large fan complsint.

This is to say nothing of the fact that it seems to be common sentimant you have to read or watch the anime to Arlong Park before it gets good. And that’s probably because it’s the time the series gets tense and serious.

Of course they are going to put something in to make the live action serious sooner, they don’t want the average viewer to quit before stuff actually happens plot wise
 
The live action is really weird. First few episodes in my opinion were really good but the longer it went the worse it got. A lot of the changes was for the worse in my opinion. Like Arlong honestly felt more like Hordy than himself.

A lot of the time it felt weirdly low budget while having some really nice sets. A lot of small details were off even though that's kinda nitpicking, but it was weird seeing luffy woth shoes. It still wasn't the worst thing I have ever seen, but I feel like I would have liked it much more if I have never read the source material.
 
I'm interested to see what happens with this - the sheer amount of money they spent on it means it will need to get a larger than usual audience, and the writer/actor strikes will just make it cost more. Netflix controls their "top 10" TV show listing and they didn't even bother letting this stay at #1 for a week.

I really haven't heard much talk about it either, although maybe I'm not in the right places. I definitely heard buzz about stuff like Wednesday and of course Stranger Things has been everywhere for years. I can see them renewing it for two seasons at once or randomly cancelling it.
 
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