One Piece - I'm Gonna Be the Pirate King!

[Random Internet Person]

The Golden Age works better as a spur of the moment thing rather than the seemingly premeditated thing it has become as a result.

I don’t think it was ever established that the Golden Age was a grand plan. IIRC, the path was :

Roger goes off to be a pirate
Roger learns there’s an island beyond Lode Star
Roger learns he has an incurable illness
Roger goes off on his final voyage, hitting a lot of the same places Luffy has gone
Roger reaches Laugh Tale
Roger learns how everything is connected, laughs, and gets called Pirate King
Roger leaves his crew because he knows he’s dying
Roger bangs Rouge, resulting in Ace
Roger turns himself in
Roger is executed
Most I’ve seen implying some bigger scheme was how the execution played out in the live action series. And even the , the Great Pirate Era was just because of all the pirates who set out to the Grand Line.

If there’s anything bigger at play to imply some keikaku, Oda is clearly waiting to reveal it so people don’t connect the dots and spoil things before he can draw them.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Except Shanks intercepted Green Bull

I was talking about the entire fleet of ships that’d brought there before.

So you keep the fleet there you already have and bring in an Elder in about a week and everyone is doomed.

Or you just have the fleet go in like they said. Or have the CP who are there do it.

I don’t think it was ever established that the Golden Age was a grand plan. IIRC, the path was :

Roger just happening to give himself in and happening to give his son who he thought would be Joy Boy to Garp and then all of his crew being situated to help and Shanks seemingly looking out for him looks too perfect not to be planned. That’s my gripe with Odin’s 20 year plan. To me it ruins a lot of things.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Yes it was. Shanks found the Nika fruit and Joy Boy on Roger's orders. The Golden Age was necessary for Joy Boy. The Elders knew of the secret of the Gomu Gomu no Mi.

I don’t think it was ever established that Shanks stole the Gum Gum fruit on Roger’s orders. At most, Roger exchanged some words with Shanks before leaving his crew, but I could be wrong. Regardless, the whole motivation for “stealing a devil fruit” is mostly speculation at this point.

I have to think the idea was to give the fruit to Ace because of lineage, but Luffy ate it first. And even then, Shanks was pretty chill about Luffy eating it all things considered. Hell, I’m willing to bet even if Luffy didn’t eat the Gum Gum Fruit, Shanks would have still given Luffy his hat since he was so intrigued by Luffy’s goal to surpass him and be Pirate King.

I really do think Shanks has reasons for what he does, but Oda is deliberately biding his time before he draws them.

That’s my gripe with Odin’s 20 year plan. To me it ruins a lot of things.

Oden’s 20 year plan only related to how he felt Kaido would be defeated. And Yamato doing the Oden LARP.

 

[Incecticyder]

If there’s anything bigger at play to imply some keikaku, Oda is clearly waiting to reveal it so people don’t connect the dots and spoil things before he can draw them.

Hardly 4D chess. Just Roger reading Joy Boy's journal and coming up with a way to help. He bet on his influence and it worked.

I was talking about the entire fleet of ships that’d brought there before.

So you keep the fleet there you already have and bring in an Elder in about a week and everyone is doomed.

Or you just have the fleet go in like they said. Or have the CP who are there do it.

That Fleet left with Green Bull. Remember that Wano is inaccessible through normal means. Fleets cannot invade. Elders remain hidden and so is their true power. They cannot reveal it willy nilly. As for CP0, they lost key members and needed to retreat.

I don’t think it was ever established that Shanks stole the Gum Gum fruit on Roger’s orders. At most, Roger exchanged some words with Shanks before leaving his crew, but I could be wrong. Regardless, the whole motivation for “stealing a devil fruit” is mostly speculation at this point.

I have to think the idea was to give the fruit to Ace because of lineage, but Luffy ate it first. And even then, Shanks was pretty chill about Luffy eating it all things considered. Hell, I’m willing to bet even if Luffy didn’t eat the Gum Gum Fruit, Shanks would have still given Luffy his hat since he was so intrigued by Luffy’s goal to surpass him and be Pirate King.

I really do think Shanks has reasons for what he does, but Oda is deliberately biding his time before he draws them.


Oden’s 20 year plan only related to how he felt Kaido would be defeated. And Yamato doing the Oden LARP.

It is implied that Shanks talked with Roger about Joy Boy, his nature and the nature of the Nika fruit (mainly how it slips away and chooses it wielder). Shanks definitively was looking to give the fruit to Ace (just as Roger wanted) but the fruit chose Luffy and Shanks accepted it. Since there was no way for Ace to get the fruit (without killing Luffy that is), Shanks gave up his quest to find Ace and left.

Shanks knew a lot and that is probably why he waited until Luffy awakened the Nika fruit in order to pursue the One Piece. He probably recognised Nika from the description in Joy Boy's journal.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Shanks knew a lot and that is probably why he waited until Luffy awakened the Nika fruit in order to pursue the One Piece. He probably recognised Nika from the description in Joy Boy's journal.

I can see that. It’d make sense for Shanks to take on Luffy as a sort of “final test” to see if he knows the full extent of what being the Pirate King is, along with knowing the extent of the mantle he has (even if Luffy doesn’t/won’t care in the slightest).

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

You don’t need a Pirate Era for that.

It was likely a back up plan, or a plan to keep his kid from being the only other person going after the treasure.

Remember, Roger is on record as having directly stating that he wanted his kid to be the one to reach Laugh Tale, yes the scene was a gag but there is no reason that Gol wasn't being sincere with the wish.

Roger's final words likely weren't that deep of a scheme. They were likely a giant middle finger to Imu. He did the one thing Imu did not ever want to happen, he made it clear and public knowledge that there was something at the end of the Grand Line.

Without Roger doing what he did by the time of Luffy coming of age Laugh Tale could have been completely discredited, remember the World Government's main weapon over the years has been hiding as much as they can. Roger can't assure that Shanks will meet Luffy, and that the fruit will be in place for Luffy to eat it.

By creating the Great Pirate era he assured that eventually someone will get there and the only way to do it was to Personally Confirm that The One Piece exists in a forum that the World Government could not cover up.

Roger goes off to be a pirate
Roger learns there’s an island beyond Lode Star
Roger learns he has an incurable illness
Roger goes off on his final voyage, hitting a lot of the same places Luffy has gone
Roger reaches Laugh Tale

You are missing

Roger happens upon Oden, one of 3 people alive at the time (Oden, his Father and Robin) who can translate the Poneglyphs, thus allowing him to actually get the path to the last Island.

I don't think it is coincidence that The World Government hammered down on Ohara not long after Roger died despite Clover having been a pirate for years before that.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

That Fleet left with Green Bull. Remember that Wano is inaccessible through normal means. Fleets cannot invade

They sent the Fleet there entirely so they could go in after the fight. That was the entire plan. And then just decided to leave after the fight was over and not carry out the plan. As said the only thing protecting Luffy is WG just don’t bother lmao.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

That’s my gripe with Odin’s 20 year plan. To me it ruins a lot of things.

20 Years is a generation, I think it is just "Roger is going to inspire the next Generation and when they come of Age shit is gonna kick off"

They sent the Fleet there entirely so they could go in after the fight. That was the entire plan. And then just decided to leave after the fight was over and not carry out the plan. As said the only thing protecting Luffy is WG just don’t bother lmao.

There was that Giant Elephant that showed up, so while they probably should have tried to go after Luffy it probably would not have gone particularly well for them.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

20 Years is a generation, I think it is just "Roger is going to inspire the next Generation and when they come of Age shit is gonna kick off"

That’s what it was presented as at first but by the Marineford flashback and especially the Oden flashback it was clearly more than that.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

That’s what it was presented as at first but by the Marineford flashback and especially the Oden flashback it was clearly more than that.

Oden's Journal is where the 20 year thing came from more than anything, The pages that let out the secret got ruined but if Oden knew that "Joyboy is gonna return in 20 years" I don't think he would have worded it so vaguely.

And again, if this were a straight Prophecy saying "Joyboy will return at this exact year"..why did Roger and Whitebeard think Ace could be Pirate King?

 

[Incecticyder]

They sent the Fleet there entirely so they could go in after the fight. That was the entire plan. And then just decided to leave after the fight was over and not carry out the plan. As said the only thing protecting Luffy is WG just don’t bother lmao.

There was an elephant the size of a country that could turn ships into spaceships with his trunk as well as Shanks who is an Emperor. What story are you watching? Were you not there when all this happened? They would have to fight the Strawhats, Wano, Zunisa and he Red Hairs at the same time. The entire fleet would be gone in a flash.

 

[Random Internet Person]

And again, if this were a straight Prophecy saying "Joyboy will return at this exact year"..why did Roger and Whitebeard think Ace could be Pirate King?

Because Ace is Roger’s son. And Roger wanted to have his son follow in his footsteps. And then Luffy ate the Gum Gum Fruit.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Because Ace is Roger’s son. And Roger wanted to have his son follow in his footsteps. And then Luffy ate the Gum Gum Fruit.

Whitebeard's plan to make Ace into Pirate King happens after that though.

 

[Incecticyder]

Whitebeard's plan to make Ace into Pirate King happens after that though.

WB did not know about everything involving Joy Boy. Most of the things he pieced together he did on his own.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

WB did not know about everything involving Joy Boy. Most of the things he pieced together he did on his own.

I doubt that, given how close he was with Oden it would be weird if he didn't get the full story about the thing his "Brother" left to explore.

And him dropping dick at Marineford and confirming The One Piece while thinking "it will overturn the world" indicates he knows the details.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

There was an elephant the size of a country that could turn ships into spaceships with his trunk as well as Shanks who is an Emperor. What story are you watching? Were you not there when all this happened? They would have to fight the Strawhats, Wano, Zunisa and he Red Hairs at the same time. The entire fleet would be gone in a flash.

Their entire plan was to go in after the fight when everyone was spent.

Greenbull turned up later, after the crew was rested. Like a week or two later.

All they would have had to deal with was nobody. And if they’d waited for Greenbull an Elder could have tagged along and Wano would be even more fucked.

They left because for some reason the gates did not open and they were surprised, despite knowing they were shut beforehand and going to Wano anyway and being very committed to the plan. Was very silly.

The Elephant killing them all would’ve at least made sense but it did not do that.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Their entire plan was to go in after the fight when everyone was spent.

Greenbull turned up later, after the crew was rested. Like a week or two later.

All they would have had to deal with was nobody. And if they’d waited for Greenbull an Elder could have tagged along and Wano would be even more fucked.

They left because for some reason the gates did not open and they were surprised, despite knowing they were shut beforehand and going to Wano anyway and being very committed to the plan. Was very silly.

The Elephant killing them all would’ve at least made sense but it did not do that.

There is also the potential that to get to the gates they would have had to go through big moms ship.

And even if Luffy and Zoro were out for 7 days that doesnt mean everyone is, and even the bottom five strawhats are stronger than the average marine

Edit : and Wano still had the Tama's Gifters.

 

[Incecticyder]

I doubt that, given how close he was with Oden it would be weird if he didn't get the full story about the thing his "Brother" left to explore.

And him dropping dick at Marineford and confirming The One Piece while thinking "it will overturn the world" indicates he knows the details.

Remember that Roger did not have anyone to translate a lot of the mystery relating to Joy Boy. That is what he needed Oden for. The only thing WB asked was what the D meant. He was uninterested in One Piece but he knew it existed and part of what it involved (though not the parts that were uncovered by Oden as Wano was under Kaidou). He knew enough to know that upon being discovered, it would turn the world upside down and said as much.

Their entire plan was to go in after the fight when everyone was spent.

Wano is inaccessible by fleet due to its geology. You need to use the secret door, climb the waterfall (praying you will not be intercepted) or fly there. Green Bull flew.

Greenbull turned up later, after the crew was rested.

They were not fully rested nor healed.

All they would have had to deal with was nobody. And if they’d waited for Greenbull an Elder could have tagged along and Wano would be even more fucked.

They would have to deal with everyone there including Shanks and Zunisha. Even if the Elder dealt damage, having to fight the Strawhats, their allies and Shanks would be too much. Maybe if it was all the Elders but that does not happen unless it involves someone really important like Vegapunk and the Seraphim. Do not forget that Pluton was there too. It would be a far too even fight in enemy territory. The attack by the RA was also part of the reason why the Elders were to stay at base.

They left because for some reason the gates did not open and they were surprised, despite knowing they were shut beforehand and going to Wano anyway and being very committed to the plan. Was very silly.

They left because of Shanks. And there was a chance that BB would be around to intercept one of the winners (which turn out to be true as Law found out). There was too much of a risk.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Remember that Roger did not have anyone to translate a lot of the mystery relating to Joy Boy. That is what he needed Oden for. The only thing WB asked was what the D meant. He was uninterested in One Piece but he knew it existed and part of what it involved (though not the parts that were uncovered by Oden as Wano was under Kaidou). He knew enough to know that upon being discovered, it would turn the world upside down and said as much.

The D seems tied to the entire Story so I imagine that Whitebeard knows enough of it.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

Their entire plan was to go in after the fight when everyone was spent.

Greenbull turned up later, after the crew was rested. Like a week or two later.

All they would have had to deal with was nobody. And if they’d waited for Greenbull an Elder could have tagged along and Wano would be even more fucked.

They left because for some reason the gates did not open and they were surprised, despite knowing they were shut beforehand and going to Wano anyway and being very committed to the plan. Was very silly.

The Elephant killing them all would’ve at least made sense but it did not do that.

Greenbul wasn't just sitting outside of Wano for the entire Wano arc, The elders never expected anyone let alone Luffy to defeat Kaido and were clearly left scrambling after his defeat.