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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...n-south-korea-spot-economic-aid/#.WxKQpO4vyM8

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Trump says Kim summit is on for June 12, but puts Japan and South Korea on spot for economic aid


It’s back on. U.S. President Donald Trump reversed course Friday, announcing that his historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un will, indeed, be held on June 12 in Singapore, but noted pointedly that Japan, South Korea and China — not the United States — would cover the cost of economic aid, saying “that’s their neighborhood; it’s not our neighborhood.”

In confirming the summit, Trump said he believed it would be a “very successful” meeting and “ultimately, a successful process.”

The announcement came as Trump met at the White House with North Korea’s Kim Yong Chol, a former spy chief and the country’s de facto No. 2 official, who had to receive a special waiver to enter the U.S. due to sanctions stemming from his alleged role in the North’s nuclear program and other illicit activities.

Trump had abruptly canceled the summit last month, citing Pyongyang’s “open hostility,” but on Friday said the meeting would be “a great start.”

Still, amid all the fanfare and political drama, the U.S. president also attempted to tamp down expectations for the meeting, where the two sides are due to discuss the North’s nuclear weapons program, calling it a “beginning.”

“I think it’ll be a process,” Trump said at the White House. “I never said it goes in one meeting. I think it’s going to be a process. But the relationships are building, and that’s a very positive thing.”

Although the White House had initially said the meeting would only be held to discuss the North’s immediate denuclearization, the president on Friday signaled a recalibration that the U.S. could agree to a type of “phased” or incremental approach to that issue.

Trump said that while he believes North Korea is committed to denuclearization,”we’re not going to go in and sign something on June 12th and we never were.”

“We’re going to start a process,” he said. “And I told them today, ‘Take your time. We can go fast. We can go slowly.’ But I think they’d like to see something happen. And if we can work that out, that will be good.”

Trump’s 90-minute meeting with Kim Yong Chol, who the U.S. president called “the second most powerful man in North Korea,” made Kim the highest-level official from the country to set foot in the White House in 18 years.

The former spy chief, who reportedly met with Trump, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and White House chief of staff John Kelly, also delivered what appeared to be a comically oversized letter from Kim Jong Un to the president, photos showed. Trump initially told reporters that the letter was “very interesting” when asked about its contents, but later admitted that he had not yet read it.

“I may be in for a big surprise, folks,” he joked.

And so could U.S. allies.

Asked if the U.S. planned to offer economic aid at the June 12 summit, Trump said that he doesn’t “see the United States spending a lot of money.”

“What’s going to happen is South Korea will do that,” Trump said. “No, I don’t think the United States is going to have to spend. I think South Korea will do it. I think China … will help out. I think that Japan will help out.”

Justifying this, Trump pointed to the distance between the Asia-Pacific region and the U.S. — despite its long-standing alliances with Japan and South Korea and its strategic interests in the area.

“Look, we’re very far away,” he said. “We are very far away. Those places are very close. It’s their neighborhood. We’re thousands — we’re 6,000 miles (9,650 km) away. So I’ve already told South Korea, I said, ‘You know, you’re going to have to get ready.’ And Japan, also.”

He added: “I think they really want to see something great happen. Japan does, South Korea does, and I think China does. But that’s their neighborhood; it’s not our neighborhood.”

The U.S. has touted itself as a “Pacific power,” and long worked to craft a web of alliances in the region that have bolstered commerce and aided stability, experts say.

Much of this interlinking system, however, has been viewed with suspicion by Trump. And some allies — including Japan — fear what he might trade away in any deal with the North, despite repeated reassurances from administration officials that the U.S. remains committed to the region.

Tokyo has specifically asked that Trump bring up at the June 12 summit the issue of Japanese nationals abducted by North Korean agents in the 1970s and 1980s. It has also urged him to push Pyongyang to give up its short- and midrange ballistic missiles that are capable of striking Japan.

Jeffrey Hornung, a political scientist at the RAND Corp., a California-based think tank, said Trump’s remarks about the region “likely strike deep into the deepest sensitivities in both Seoul and Tokyo and the anxieties they have” about the president.

Because Japan has not been an active participant in the recent spate of diplomatic moves, and has relied on the U.S. to advocate for its interests, “this anxiety has been on steroids,” Hornung said, leaving policymakers in Tokyo fearing that Trump will make “a deal that protects the U.S. homeland from ICBM/IRBMs (intercontinental and intermediate-range ballistic missiles) but allow North Korea to keep short- to medium-range missiles capable of hitting Japan.”

Trump also said that North Korea’s human rights record was not discussed at the meeting with Kim Yong Chol — a sign that he did not raise the abduction issue, a top-priority issue for Prime Minister Shinzo Abe — but has said he will address it “in great detail” during talks with Kim Jong Un.

Nevertheless, Abe was quoted as saying Saturday during a speech in Shiga Prefecture that Japan “is determined to make utmost efforts so that it will be a historic summit that will move forward the nuclear, missile and abduction issues.”

The prime minister, who has long worked to cultivate a close relationship with Trump, was mum on the U.S. leader’s remarks about the region.

Abe is scheduled to hold talks with Trump at the White House on June 7 before traveling to Canada for the Group of Seven summit on June 8 and 9.

But the mercurial U.S. leader may have his eyes on a grander goal than the primary issues of concern for Tokyo.

On Friday, he hinted at a possible peace treaty to end the Korean War — a Nobel Peace Prize-level achievement — the groundwork for which, he said, could emerge at the June 12 summit.

“That could happen,” he said, adding that he had “talked about it” during the meeting with Kim Yong Chol.

“We’re going to discuss it prior to the meeting,” he said. “That’s something that could come out of the meeting.”

North and South Korea have technically been in a state of war since the 1950-1953 Korean War, as fighting was halted after an armistice was signed in 1953 rather than a formal peace agreement.

As for what Pyongyang might receive in exchange for any deal, Trump said that sanctions relief could be part of such an agreement.

The U.S. president has touted his campaign of “maximum pressure” as having brought the North to the negotiating table, a claim refuted by the Pyongyang. That campaign saw the U.N. impose its most stringent sanctions regime to date.

But some experts say that the choking sanctions regime, while a contributing factor, was not the main reason for the recent detente with North Korea. Rather, they point to its claims by the North late last year and early this year that it had “completed” its quest for nuclear weapons.

Asked if “maximum pressure” was over, Trump said “it’s going to remain what it is now,” but softened his tone on the campaign.

“I don’t even want to use the term ‘maximum pressure’ anymore because … we’re getting along,” he said. “You see the relationship. We’re getting along.”

RAND’s Hornung said retiring the phrase represents “a significant shift in the U.S. position.”

“Not only was this the position his administration has advocated for vociferously since it became engaged in the issue, and one that he credits having gotten him this far in making progress with Kim, but it is the position that Japan has advocated for 100 percent,” Hornung said.

“This doesn’t bode well for Japan,” he said, adding that “maximum pressure” had been a demonstration that the two allies were in lockstep.

“Assuming Abe did not also retire the phrase, this unilateral shift by the U.S. puts Japan off on its own diplomatic island, of sorts, given that it now remains the only country calling for maximum pressure,” Hornung said.

Hearing Trump’s unscripted comments, combined with his decision on maximum pressure, “probably has policymakers in Tokyo fearing that their nightmare scenario could be coming true that their interests will not be represented and an agreement will lock in security threats,” he said.

Friday’s shift was an extraordinary change in tone for Trump, who last year threatened to rain “fire and fury like the world has never seen” on North Korea because of the threat its nuclear weapons and missiles posed to the United States and its allies.

A day earlier in New York, Pompeo said that, after his two meetings with Kim Jong Un and three with Kim Yong Chol, he believes the North is at least ready to consider addressing U.S. demands for denuclearization.

“I believe they are contemplating a path forward,” he said. “They can make a strategic shift. One that their country has not been prepared to make before. This will obviously be their decision.”

The North has repeatedly claimed it is committed to the “denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula,” a phrase it has used in the past to demand the U.S. remove its 28,500 troops in South Korea and pull back its “nuclear umbrella” security commitment to South Korea and Japan. But it has not repeated those same demands amid the recent detente.

Still, it remains unclear whether Kim will ever agree to fully relinquish his nuclear arsenal, which he views as the only thing preventing regime change.

At a security forum in Singapore on Saturday, U.S. Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said the troops issue will not be a part of the discussion at the Kim-Trump summit.

“That issue is not on the table here in Singapore on the 12th (of June), nor should it be,” he said at the Shangri-La Dialogue security summit.

However, Mattis stressed that “any discussion about the number of U.S. troops in the Republic of Korea is subject to … the Republic of Korea’s invitation to have them there, and the discussions between the United States and the Republic of Korea, separate and distinct from the negotiations that are going on with DPRK (North Korea).”
 
So we could actually see the de-nuclearization of North Korea in our lifetimes? That's pretty cool.
 
I can't help but think some parts of either the North Korean government or army were starting to get on Un's ass, to the point that a soft (or even hard) coup felt inevitable. By making moves towards peace, he's essentially coup-proofing himself from these internal elements while coming out as the good guy: "The North Korean leader who finally sought peace."
 
So we could actually see the de-nuclearization of North Korea in our lifetimes? That's pretty cool.
Anything is still possible in the lead up to the summit.

So while I have hopes, it may very well turn to shit, either on the US's side, NK's side or one of the other countries either being a dick, or just fucking up in some way.
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...mit-to-bring-peace-boost-status-idUSKCN1J20KB

Japan's ethnic Koreans loyal to Pyongyang look to summit to bring peace, boost status

Kwiyeon Ha
5 MIN READ


TOKYO (Reuters) - Ethnic Koreans in Japan loyal to Pyongyang hope next week’s historic U.S.-North Korea summit will help bring reconciliation on the Korean peninsula and clarify their own murky legal status.

Their optimism has built following April’s upbeat summit of the leaders of North and South Korea and ahead of next Tuesday’s meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore.

“I thought reunification was something in the distant future, especially with all the sanctions” on the North, said 17-year-old Paeng Yu Na, who attends one of about 60 schools across Japan affiliated with the North.

“But it now feels so much closer,” said Paeng, who wears traditional Korean dress along with her classmates, although not beyond school walls to avoid attacks from right-wing nationalists.

Paeng is one of the “zainichi” minority, Japan’s largest such ethnic group, descended from Koreans who moved or were brought to the country during its colonial rule of the peninsula from 1910 to 1945.

Over the years, many ethnic Koreans have opted for Japanese citizenship, while others have taken South Korean nationality, totaling about 450,000.

But a smaller community of about 30,000 have remained loyal to Pyongyang, stuck in a legal gray zone with permanent residency but no legal nationality, as the countries lack diplomatic ties.

Born and raised in Japan, most differ little from Japanese counterparts on the surface, speaking the language fluently and often marrying Japanese. But many have faced discrimination, with the ebb and flow of international politics shadowing their lives.


Job opportunities for pro-Pyongyang Koreans were long limited to firms run by members of their community, including nightclubs, barbecue restaurants and pachinko pinball parlors.

Some 90,000 in fact opted to leave for North Korea between 1959 and 1984, lured by the slogan “Let’s go back to the fatherland!” Those numbers plunged in the 1980s as tales of the North’s poverty spread.

Others supported the North with steady cash remittances and by carrying goods on a ferry that made occasional trips between the two nations until tightening sanctions banned its port calls.

Each new round of North Korean nuclear tests brought threats and abuse. Students like Paeng, once a not unfamiliar sight on Tokyo streets in their long, traditional uniforms, became particular targets.

Hong Ryong Su, 49, a third-generation “zainichi”, hopes the summit will yield not only a treaty ending the 1950s Korean War, which culminated in a truce that left both sides technically at war, but also improve conditions for the community.

“Living in Japan, we see a new path opening that will also normalize relations between North Korea and Japan,” Hong said over a meal of kimchi and stir-fried beef at his home in an industrial suburb of Tokyo.


“We can’t think of that starting without the first (summit) happening, so we’ll be watching developments with bated breath,” said Hong, adding that he stood ready to toast any successful outcome.

It is unlikely that just one meeting will achieve a major breakthrough, however, said Ryom Mun Song, a professor of international relations at Korea University, which has ties to Pyongyang but is not recognized by Japan.

“It will be difficult if each side just presents conditions the other side cannot accept,” said Ryom, another third-generation ethnic Korean.

“However, if both sides keep in sight the goal (of complete nuclear disarmament), and through confidence-building measures, address it step-by-step with further meetings, then I think we can expect great results.”

Suggestions for North Korea to follow Libya in scrapping its nuclear weapons irked many North Koreans in Japan, who drew an unfavorable parallel with subsequent events.

“Didn’t the United States say we should take the Libyan approach? But wasn’t Libya ruined by this approach?” asked 95-year-old Baek Chong Won.

Last month, North Korea criticized U.S. national security adviser John Bolton, who had urged it to give up its nuclear arsenal in a deal that would mirror Libya’s abandonment of its program for weapons of mass destruction.

But Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was deposed and killed by NATO-backed militants several years later.


“How can we easily give up our nuclear weapons that North Korea developed when it had nothing to eat?” asked Baek, whose lapel pin portrayed the last two generations of North Korea’s leaders, forebears of its current ruler.
 
I'm starting to feel optimistic about this but still...I can just tell Un is the kind of asshole that plays Terran in Starcraft 2.
 
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2018/06/11/2018061100952.html

Kim Jong-un's Flight to Singapore a Precision Maneuver

North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's flight to Singapore was a tightly planned maneuver using a decoy to throw attackers off the scent. Three planes took off in North Korea at about an hour's interval on Sunday -- an IL-76, an Air China Boeing 747 and an ancient Ilyushin IL62 – leaving watchers in the dark about which one Kim was on.

One diplomatic source in Singapore said, "Tension was very high in North Korea, hence the secrecy." Kim's own aging Soviet-era aircraft carrying Kim's sister Yo-jong and other officials followed later.

First to arrive in Singapore was an IL-76 transport plane carrying food and other essentials for Kim as well as his bullet-proof limousine and a portable toilet that will deny determined sewer divers insights into to the supreme leader's stools.

Instead of the Pyongyang-Shanghai- Singapore route that takes six-and-a-half hours but passes over sea routes that are more difficult to protect, he flew via Beijing, which took around 10 hours.

An aviation source in China said, "It probably cost a lot of money as well as representing a huge political burden to loan Kim the aircraft."

UN Security Council Resolution 2270 forbids loaning aircraft, ships and crew to North Korea, but Beijing apparently had U.S. approval.
 
and a portable toilet that will deny determined sewer divers insights into to the supreme leader's stools.

'The reclusive leader of the world's most isolated nation is actually coming out to say hello and potentially sign the peace deal of the century. Imma steal his literal shit!'

IRL weening at it's finest.
 
'The reclusive leader of the world's most isolated nation is actually coming out to say hello and potentially sign the peace deal of the century. Imma steal his literal shit!'

IRL weening at it's finest.
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.......hate to be that goyim but this is something quite a few world leaders do, since info on a world leaders health can (and has, since Stalin had the NKVD do this to Mao back in the day) be gained by examining their crap (why do you think a stool sample is a standard medical thingy?) and can be used against them in some way. IIRC obama and bush would only crap on airforce one, or a special porta potty where it could be retrieved after the deed was done, though I cant find a source atm
 
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.......hate to be that goyim but this is something quite a few world leaders do, since info on a world leaders health can (and has, since Stalin had the NKVD do this to Mao back in the day) be gained by examining their crap (why do you think a stool sample is a standard medical thingy?) and can be used against them in some way. IIRC obama and bush would only crap on airforce one, or a special porta potty where it could be retrieved after the deed was done, though I cant find a source atm

I'm more astounded as to how you can discern the Supreme Leader's shit from everyone else's in the sewer, since they mentioned "sewer divers."
 
I'm more astounded as to how you can discern the Supreme Leader's shit from everyone else's in the sewer, since they mentioned "sewer divers."

It's probably the big fatboy mound that glows in the dark and smells of kimchi, cheese and whiskey.
 
I'm more astounded as to how you can discern the Supreme Leader's shit from everyone else's in the sewer, since they mentioned "sewer divers."
IIRC stalin had the toilet of a US diplomat connect to a seperate sewer system that flushed it to its own tank which was later opened and examined.

and do ya REALLY think Kim is going to share a shitter with his underlings?
 
Live coverage from Singapore. Trump motorcade about to depart.
 
Live coverage from Singapore. Trump motorcade about to depart.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=OH50Rv_GSSM

Watching it, and I just had to take a snapshot of this because it's such an unfortunate reflection on this guy's glasses, making him look more googly-eyed and surprised than he probably is.

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EDIT: Kim Jong-un just walked in, and the hosts are sperging about how serious the man looks lol.

EDIT 2: Trump walked in. Hosts point out his serious business face like clockwork.
 
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