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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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Dink Smallwood said:
Looks like the norks finally want to talk
www.washingtonpost.com/world/as-winter-games-close-olympics-chief-lauds-diplomatic-thaw-between-the-koreas/2018/02/25/9eedf22a-18d1-11e8-930c-45838ad0d77a_story.html?utm_term=.a79a4d213f99
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Sucks that it's coming about a month before the SK/US military drills.

You'd figure the US would be wise to sit and wait a little longer before deciding to anger the Norks like this again. Especially with the progress the two Koreas are experiencing at the moment.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
Sucks that it's coming about a month before the SK/US military drills.

You'd figure the US would be wise to sit and wait a little longer before deciding to anger the Norks like this again. Especially with the progress the two Koreas are experiencing at the moment.
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I think that's what the Norks are hoping will happen. Expect a tantrum when they don't get their way.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
Surprised no one's mentioned this yet:
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ing-with-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un.html

Thoughts? Opinions? Personally I'm mixed on this. One the one hand, this could mean some progress on the situation. On the other, it's probably just desparation on Kim's part because he knows he's going to die sooner or later. Be it from internal revolt, the US or China having enough of his shit or all those diseases infesting his body.
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I'm pessimistic this will change anything long-term. We've played this game with his father multiple times, if anything comes out of this it'll probably be the resumption of aid on the grounds that Kim pinkie-promises he'll stop trying to develop nukes. At this point I don't think anything in North Korea is going to change unless there's revolution from within or deposition of the Kim regime from without.
 
ICametoLurk said:
Is Best Korea's Beer the Best Beer?
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Unironically yes. North Korea has a culture of microbreweries and it's beer brewing techniques were taught to them by Germans, Russians and The British. North Korea unironically has probably some of the best beer in Asia. Taedonggang was actually made based on British brewing techniques and recipes and the refinery was designed and engineered by the Brits.
Meanwhile in South Korea, because the country has been cucked by the US for decades the beer is a poor imitation of Budweiser, to the point fucking imported VB and Stella are considered prestige beers.

Jewelsmakerguy said:
You'd figure the US would be wise to sit and wait a little longer before deciding to anger the Norks like this again.
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The US has absolutely zero interest in seeing North Korea become a reasonable global actor or even reform. The US wants to see North Korea collapse and it's leaders executed while South Korea *coughtheUScough* takes over.

Global actions against North Korea play right into North Korea's rhetoric and propaganda and actually force North Korea to shut itself off more and more. The Sanctions and other hostile actions are completely antithetical to how the West dealt with the USSR and China when opening up dialogue, cooperation and leading those countries to reform. The US claims it cares about "Human rights" in North Korea but it's actually a laughable joke.

I've literally spoken with Western aid workers and such who have worked in the country and they all say that the Sanctions are basically designed to starve out the people and are the biggest hurdle in actual development in the country.

A good example is that North Korea, most actual illness and death comes from poor sanitation, so the North Korean Government decided to completely rebuild the countries sanitation and water infrastructure. The project to do this was put out to tender and won by a joint Australian-Egyptian firm. Then waltz in the US and blocks it. All this infrastructure would have done was improve water quality and sanitation to North Korean citizens. Nope, muh sanctions.

Want North Korea to open up, you need a Sunshine policy on steroids. Play on the greed of the elite, which makes the elite force the regime to open up like China did. The problem is the US and West don't want another "China" they want South Korea on the Chinese border.
 
Sovietmongler said:
Unironically yes. North Korea has a culture of microbreweries and it's beer brewing techniques were taught to them by Germans, Russians and The British. North Korea unironically has probably some of the best beer in Asia. Taedonggang was actually made based on British brewing techniques and recipes and the refinery was designed and engineered by the Brits.
Meanwhile in South Korea, because the country has been cucked by the US for decades the beer is a poor imitation of Budweiser, to the point fucking imported VB and Stella are considered prestige beers.



The US has absolutely zero interest in seeing North Korea become a reasonable global actor or even reform. The US wants to see North Korea collapse and it's leaders executed while South Korea *coughtheUScough* takes over.

Global actions against North Korea play right into North Korea's rhetoric and propaganda and actually force North Korea to shut itself off more and more. The Sanctions and other hostile actions are completely antithetical to how the West dealt with the USSR and China when opening up dialogue, cooperation and leading those countries to reform. The US claims it cares about "Human rights" in North Korea but it's actually a laughable joke.

I've literally spoken with Western aid workers and such who have worked in the country and they all say that the Sanctions are basically designed to starve out the people and are the biggest hurdle in actual development in the country.

A good example is that North Korea, most actual illness and death comes from poor sanitation, so the North Korean Government decided to completely rebuild the countries sanitation and water infrastructure. The project to do this was put out to tender and won by a joint Australian-Egyptian firm. Then waltz in the US and blocks it. All this infrastructure would have done was improve water quality and sanitation to North Korean citizens. Nope, muh sanctions.

Want North Korea to open up, you need a Sunshine policy on steroids. Play on the greed of the elite, which makes the elite force the regime to open up like China did. The problem is the US and West don't want another "China" they want South Korea on the Chinese border.
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The Virgin Globalist Kindness Policy vs The Chad Nuclear Glassing
 
Sovietmongler said:
The US has absolutely zero interest in seeing North Korea become a reasonable global actor or even reform. The US wants to see North Korea collapse and it's leaders executed while South Korea *coughtheUScough* takes over.

Global actions against North Korea play right into North Korea's rhetoric and propaganda and actually force North Korea to shut itself off more and more. The Sanctions and other hostile actions are completely antithetical to how the West dealt with the USSR and China when opening up dialogue, cooperation and leading those countries to reform. The US claims it cares about "Human rights" in North Korea but it's actually a laughable joke.

I've literally spoken with Western aid workers and such who have worked in the country and they all say that the Sanctions are basically designed to starve out the people and are the biggest hurdle in actual development in the country.

A good example is that North Korea, most actual illness and death comes from poor sanitation, so the North Korean Government decided to completely rebuild the countries sanitation and water infrastructure. The project to do this was put out to tender and won by a joint Australian-Egyptian firm. Then waltz in the US and blocks it. All this infrastructure would have done was improve water quality and sanitation to North Korean citizens. Nope, muh sanctions.

Want North Korea to open up, you need a Sunshine policy on steroids. Play on the greed of the elite, which makes the elite force the regime to open up like China did. The problem is the US and West don't want another "China" they want South Korea on the Chinese border.
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Yeah, or because their leader is a warmongering sociopath, maybe we just go ahead and keep on the heat until the nation collapses, hand it over to the South Koreans for brownie points with them, thus strengthening our position in the area, maintaining the approval of an ally, and the protection of our interests, and everything is hunkydory.

If you can't get them to behave, take all their shit and use it to make your friends rich.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
Surprised no one's mentioned this yet:
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/...ing-with-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un.html

Thoughts? Opinions? Personally I'm mixed on this. One the one hand, this could mean some progress on the situation. On the other, it's probably just desparation on Kim's part because he knows he's going to die sooner or later. Be it from internal revolt, the US or China having enough of his shit or all those diseases infesting his body.
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I've said before that one of the few things Trump could do that would guarantee his administration can't be written off as a total failure is to resolve this situation that has plagued us for 65 years now. I'm willing to be cautiously optimistic that with his bluster, Trump may finally have talked to them in a language they understand. We'll see.

Sovietmongler said:
The US has absolutely zero interest in seeing North Korea become a reasonable global actor or even reform. The US wants to see North Korea collapse and it's leaders executed while South Korea *coughtheUScough* takes over.
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I disagree. Like Colin Powell said about Iraq with the Pottery Barn Doctrine, "you break it, you bought it." I'd say we have zero interest in rebuilding a shithole that has been so badly mismanaged for generations that it would cost trillions to rebuild it into anything functional.

A "victory" would wreck South Korea's economy for a generation. Perhaps it's as resilient as Germany's when Germany reunified, but North Korea is a fucking crater. East Germany under Soviet occupation was fucked, as most commie countries were, but it wasn't a completely unfixable basket case of a country.

China as well would prefer North Korea remain as a fucked up, dysfunctional hellhole acting as a buffer zone.

Almost everyone's interests are that it not get much better, but not get much worse, either.

One resolution I could see is giving South Korea the few good parts, like Pyongyang and some territory north of it down to the border with South Korea, and then give the rest to China as a buffer zone that they can do whatever the fuck they want with, including letting everyone starve or whatever.
 
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Sovietmongler said:
The US has absolutely zero interest in seeing North Korea become a reasonable global actor or even reform. The US wants to see North Korea collapse and it's leaders executed while South Korea *coughtheUScough* takes over.

Global actions against North Korea play right into North Korea's rhetoric and propaganda and actually force North Korea to shut itself off more and more. The Sanctions and other hostile actions are completely antithetical to how the West dealt with the USSR and China when opening up dialogue, cooperation and leading those countries to reform. The US claims it cares about "Human rights" in North Korea but it's actually a laughable joke.

I've literally spoken with Western aid workers and such who have worked in the country and they all say that the Sanctions are basically designed to starve out the people and are the biggest hurdle in actual development in the country.

A good example is that North Korea, most actual illness and death comes from poor sanitation, so the North Korean Government decided to completely rebuild the countries sanitation and water infrastructure. The project to do this was put out to tender and won by a joint Australian-Egyptian firm. Then waltz in the US and blocks it. All this infrastructure would have done was improve water quality and sanitation to North Korean citizens. Nope, muh sanctions.

Want North Korea to open up, you need a Sunshine policy on steroids. Play on the greed of the elite, which makes the elite force the regime to open up like China did. The problem is the US and West don't want another "China" they want South Korea on the Chinese border.
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You don't seem to have read this thread before you posted.

See, there's a key difference between "We want all of them dead" and"We don't want you testing nukes or else we'll have to get dirty". Despite military being on the table at all times. It's in no one's right mind to start a war as no one gains jack shit from it.

To wit: North Korea doesn't want to die, and bombing North America or its allies would be their final death flag from either the bombee or China finally having enough of that shit. Likewise, the US doesn't want to lose any of its major trading partners or allies (mainly China, Japan, ROK and possibly Australia and Canada) in any potential firefights. And China sure as shit doesn't want millions of refugees crossing their border, and neither does South Korea. Which is why these talks are needed. There needs to be a kinda-sorta positive outcome where everyone comes out on top- North Korea gets to keep its regime for as long as fat boy is still standing, China gets its buffer zone to do as it pleases, South Korea and Japan get state of peace and America can finally accomplish something Neither George Bushes, Clinton or Obama could ever accomplish during their times in office.

Now do I see anything changing anytime soon? Probably not, considering the annual drills are set to start later this month/sometime in April. But the Olympics were a start, and with the news of Trump and Un getting into direct talks with one another at some point. It's possible some kind of progress will be made, even if it's not immediate.
 
Direct talks could have an interesting outcome. If nothing else, Trump is a dealmaker and willing to step outside the status quo. I imagine Kim could be made an offer along the lines of: reform North Korea into something resembling Vietnam over the next 5 years, cool your shit in the meantime, hand the keys over to the South Koreans for reunification in 2024 or so, and then go retire to a mansion in China somewhere and be hailed as a heroic reformer who took down a dictatorial regime from the inside and united your people. The alternative would be ending up dead one way or another during the same timeframe.

All this talk of China desperately wanting a buffer between themselves and South Korea is overblown as well. It may have been true 20 years ago, but today they would rather have prosperous trading partners in their Silk Road initiative and be rid of the pudgy little asshole constantly distracting from Xi Jinping's grand plans. They're not idiots and understand that US military presence in South Korea would wind down considerably with North Korea out of the picture and they've gotten over their paranoia that proximity to capitalist countries is going to destabilize them.
 
Sovietmongler said:
Taedonggang was actually made based on British brewing techniques and recipes and the refinery was designed and engineered by the Brits.
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So you're saying they somehow overcame that much adversity to make decent beer in the end?

Dr. Boe Jangles Esq. said:
because their leader is a warmongering sociopath
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Don't wanna sound like an ass, but when has this ever stopped the US from anything?

AnOminous said:
East Germany under Soviet occupation was fucked, as most commie countries were, but it wasn't a completely unfixable basket case of a country.
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The ironic thing about East Germany is that despite being a piss-poor hellhole where you'd have to stand in line for hours even for the most basic stuff, where you'd have to wait years to get a car... it was still the richest nation behind the iron curtain.
 
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