KR North Korea Megathread - Dear Leader and his shenanigans

MOD NOTE:

There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.

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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Do you honestly believe the Souks will tolerate another Cheonan?

I think they will do more than the nothing they did last time. But it leading to more than a border skirmish with some blown up stuff, a couple dozen dead people, and hurt feelings, nope. It doesn't help your case that their current president is a dove either.

Remember, the Norks shelled the fuck out of that island and killed a dozen people months after Cheonan. The ROK's response was to return some counter-battery fire that took out the guns (we think) then shit calmed down and returned to normal.

So, yeah. That happens again.

 

[AnOminous]

Not just that, but how own father hated him too.

I guess father issues does make a tyrannical dictator.

Not that North Korea ever had a leader on the level of Julius Caesar, but if the original Kim was him, this current fat little toad is Commodus.

 

[heathercho]

I think they will do more than the nothing they did last time. But it leading to more than a border skirmish with some blown up stuff, a couple dozen dead people, and hurt feelings, nope. It doesn't help your case that their current president is a dove either.

Remember, the Norks shelled the fuck out of that island and killed a dozen people months after Cheonan. The ROK's response was to return some counter-battery fire that took out the guns (we think) then shit calmed down and returned to normal.

So, yeah. That happens again.

Moon has surprised me. He's been less of a cuck than I assumed he'd be. Not that that is saying much because I had zero expectation of him. But Cheonan and beyond was bullshit. A lot of that is cultural as well as political. It's regretful and dumb, because the world has moved beyond Confucian thought towards lives. Staying silent to give the impression lost soldiers don't matter because you have "so many more" isn't going to wash with the general public en masse in SK like it used to.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Do you honestly believe Trump will tolerate another Cheonan?

ftfy

 

[CWCissey]

Merry Christmas Fatboy!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-42459670

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Merry Christmas Fatboy!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-42459670

It made my day when I found out that China voted in favor of these sanctions.

Just goes to show that even they're fed up with Fatty's shit.

 

[Hodor]

There've been a bunch of war novels where the Norks wait until right around Christmas and attack south then. The thinking is that the rice paddies have frozen solid enough for tanks and the Americans in Korea are caught at a lower state of readiness. I don't know how realistic that is now though. I doubt they have the fuel for an armoured attack.

honestly if they strike, I'm more afraid of it being during the Seoul Olympics.

 

[AnOminous]

It made my day when I found out that China voted in favor of these sanctions.

Just goes to show that even they're fed up with Fatty's shit.

The Chinese have always viewed the Kims and North Korea in general as a useful thorn in the side of the West, but the writing is on the wall, and their obvious insanity is enough of a liability to outweigh any benefit they have. I wouldn't be surprised if in the near future, Kim suffers an unfortunate accident along with everyone remotely related to the dynasty.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

The basic fact of the matter continues to be that China is not fundamentally interested in North Korea as anything more than a way to put pressure on the West & Japan/Phillippines. What China wants is to continue building up political military and economic pressure in the S. China Sea. China wants a new and more favorable status with the local nations (Vietnam, Philippines, Japan, Indonesia, Burma) in regards to trade and force projection.

China, in the final analysis doesn't want a war right now and they certainly don't want one in NE China/ North Korea. Too risky and it could jeopardize their S. China Sea projects.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

The basic fact of the matter continues to be that China is not fundamentally interested in North Korea as anything more than a way to put pressure on the West & Japan/Phillippines. What China wants is to continue building up political military and economic pressure in the S. China Sea. China wants a new and more favorable status with the local nations (Vietnam, Philippines, Japan, Indonesia, Burma) in regards to trade and force projection.

China, in the final analysis doesn't want a war right now and they certainly don't want one in NE China/ North Korea. Too risky and it could jeopardize their S. China Sea projects.

The problem with that is between Trump's hair trigger shitposting and Fatty's manchildism, that's not going to be easy on China's part. Especially since both of those go hand in hand with each other- Trump mocks Un, and instead of dismissing him and condemning him like any sane leader would do, Kimmy boy just flat out threatens to blow up the US and its allies in Asia and nearby.

 

[AnOminous]

The problem with that is between Trump's hair trigger shitposting and Fatty's manchildism, that's not going to be easy on China's part. Especially since both of those go hand in hand with each other- Trump mocks Un, and instead of dismissing him and condemning him like any sane leader would do, Kimmy boy just flat out threatens to blow up the US and its allies in Asia and nearby.

Well, so far, it's gotten him to act so crazy that they've lost their last ally.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

The problem with that is between Trump's hair trigger shitposting and Fatty's manchildism, that's not going to be easy on China's part. Especially since both of those go hand in hand with each other- Trump mocks Un, and instead of dismissing him and condemning him like any sane leader would do, Kimmy boy just flat out threatens to blow up the US and its allies in Asia and nearby.

If Trump actually succeeds with a regime change (or at the least WMD disarmament) he's going to get all of the credit, since literally every single political opponent Trump has has been insisting for a year that Trump's a stupid warmongering goof and given him zero help.

 

[Kugelsak Kastengrus 6th]

The problem with that is between Trump's hair trigger shitposting and Fatty's manchildism, that's not going to be easy on China's part. Especially since both of those go hand in hand with each other- Trump mocks Un, and instead of dismissing him and condemning him like any sane leader would do, Kimmy boy just flat out threatens to blow up the US and its allies in Asia and nearby.

Sometimes you have to use crazy to deal with crazy. Oddly enough, the hair trigger shitposting seems to be far more effective in terms of isolating the Kim regime. His inability to handle the criticism and childish jabs are making him look even more pathetic. Especially since one of the tactics used against him is to expose the Norks to unapproved media and news.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I assume that cutting back NK oil imports by 90% will force their hand sooner or later - but their usual shtick is to rattle their sabres and threaten the world with prompt and relentless destruction.

I've mentioned earlier, that I think NK is most dangerous when their oil and fuel supply is running low.
It puts them in a situation where they need to strike quickly and secure some oil from the outside or face the possibility that their army loses its ability to fight.
Usually, their sabre rattling is just that, but with a nation like NK, you just never know for sure.

 

[Nacho Man Randy Salsa]

I still think Trump missed out by calling Kim Rocket Man instead of Fat Boy. Fat Boy is demeaning, humiliating, and to someone that thinks he's a God, it would have pissed him off much more than (what I perceive) Rocket Man does.

 

[AnOminous]

If Trump actually succeeds with a regime change (or at the least WMD disarmament) he's going to get all of the credit, since literally every single political opponent Trump has has been insisting for a year that Trump's a stupid warmongering goof and given him zero help.

If this leads to a catastrophe, he's going to get all the blame.

But you can't set that up without admitting that if it actually works, he gets all the credit.

I don't see how anyone can argue that letting this situation fester as long as we have has been successful. People can bitch at Obama, but he just continued the same exact policy we've had since the cease-fire (technically North Korea has been at war with basically the entire world ever since as there has been no permanent peace agreement).

It failed.

So hey, sometimes you gotta roll the bones and see what happens.

 

[Coconut Gun]

I still think Trump missed out by calling Kim Rocket Man instead of Fat Boy. Fat Boy is demeaning, humiliating, and to someone that thinks he's a God, it would have pissed him off much more than (what I perceive) Rocket Man does.

That might not actually be that effective, since Un purposely got fat so that he could look more like Il-Sung, who is still relatively liked in NK.

 

[AnOminous]

That might not actually be that effective, since Un purposely got fat so that he could look more like Il-Sung, who is still relatively liked in NK.

Rocket Man actually emphasizes what a failure his rockets are.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Rocket Man actually emphasizes what a failure his rockets are.

You mean just as much as a failure Kim is now?

 

[RadicalCentrist]

It has always been a private theory of mine that the Norks developed nuclear weapons to deter the Chinese, not America. The US and Worst Korea are both democratic nations, and the Norks have at all times a massive amount of artillery pointed at Seoul to make aggressive action a electoral catastrophe. No plan is even close to guaranteed success even with the great risks, to say nothing of the Nork's strengths in guerrilla warfare and the potential refugee disaster. Nuclear weapons would only encourage the west to seek economic solutions.

The Chinese are different. While so far Best Korea has been an excellent smoke screen for China's maritime adventures, Beijing would prefer a more pliable puppet. They have the capability to destroy Kim's tinpot regime at all times, through trade alone, to say nothing of more devious strategies of regime change impossible in a open society. Only the potential refugee's deterred them; a devastated Seoul is meaningless to an authoritarian regime that can simply purge scapegoats until trade relations normalize, and the Nork's entire defense rests upon an attack from the south. They could even rightfully claim they were trying to dismantle a rogue state.

Suddenly, Rocket Man has nuclear missiles. While they may not be able to reach the U.S, they are more than capable of striking the densely populated Chinese cities. The fallout from a failed regime change turns literal, making even the actual millions of refugee's pouring across the border pale in comparison. Even at the best of times this would be a massive disaster, and China is not a stable country. Not only are revolutions an cultural phenomena, but the Chinese have to dedicate quite a bit of resources to monitoring and quelling the mob of billions connected through mobiles and the internet. Read more on Chinese internet vigilantes if you want to learn more. That energy can easily topple the regime, and they know it. North Korean convention artillery is already focused permanently on Seoul. I would bet big bucks on the hidden missile sites being pointed to the north.