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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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Moral_Equivalent_of_ISIS said:
A coup during external instability would be much more rare. The major cause of international trouble is Kim's ICBM dreams
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The issue is that the DPRK has been preparing for war for 50 years now. 100% of the DPRK internal propaganda revolves around an imminent threat from the U.S.. I am betting on the higher-ups realizing that the meek and mild disposition of our former presidents, and their International diplomatic equivalents of "microaggressions", are not the same thing as Trump. From what I understand and what I have seen and read, Trump intentionally puts out a persona of "madman" and Scott Adams speculates that he even goes so far as to get his appointees to directly contradict him to create a sense of disharmony to confuse and disorient people aligned against him. These can be local or domestic enemies.

Now that could be :optimistic:. Anti-Trump folk will just say he's a dummy with no governmental experience having trouble holding the world upon his back while clumsily alienating allies and bantering about nuclear war as if the military were chess pieces in the hands of a infantile clumsy idiot god. . . or, he's successfully made everyone think he's a madman willing to glassify Mecca and assassinate Fatso Kim after pissing on Russian Hookers (and somehow retaining 99% of his original voting base). I think the latter, and I think that illusion will prompt a remedy in the DPRK to transpire on its own.
 
Null said:
The issue is that the DPRK has been preparing for war for 50 years now. 100% of the DPRK internal propaganda revolves around an imminent threat from the U.S.. I am betting on the higher-ups realizing that the meek and mild disposition of our former presidents, and their International diplomatic equivalents of "microaggressions", are not the same thing as Trump. From what I understand and what I have seen and read, Trump intentionally puts out a persona of "madman" and Scott Adams speculates that he even goes so far as to get his appointees to directly contradict him to create a sense of disharmony to confuse and disorient people aligned against him. These can be local or domestic enemies.

Now that could be :optimistic:. Anti-Trump folk will just say he's a dummy with no governmental experience having trouble holding the world upon his back while clumsily alienating allies and bantering about nuclear war as if the military were chess pieces in the hands of a infantile clumsy idiot god. . . or, he's successfully made everyone think he's a madman willing to glassify Mecca and assassinate Fatso Kim while pissing on Russian Hookers while retaining 99% of his original voting base. I think the latter, and I think that illusion will prompt a remedy in the DPRK to transpire on its own.
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I hadn't thought about it that way, but personally I just don't think Trump factors into this equation as much as internal Nork politics. You're correct that who's president in America can have a big impact (see, the Chilean coup and President Nixon's economic warfare for a good example of your argument) but in the case of North Korea, the Generals are probably thinking about things in a bit of a different mindset than you or I. The risk of overthrowing Kim would be vast, while the rewards wouldn't be considerably different from what they have now. A North Korean general might think: 'even if I kill Kim we'll still be in danger from the rest of the world, why take the risk?' and choose not to do it. I'm not saying Trump's approach is terrible, I just don't think a Coup is likely.
 
Moral_Equivalent_of_ISIS said:
I hadn't thought about it that way, but personally I just don't think Trump factors into this equation as much as internal Nork politics. You're correct that who's president in America can have a big impact (see, the Chilean coup and President Nixon's economic warfare for a good example of your argument) but in the case of North Korea, the Generals are probably thinking about things in a bit of a different mindset than you or I. The risk of overthrowing Kim would be vast, while the rewards wouldn't be considerably different from what they have now. A North Korean general might think: 'even if I kill Kim we'll still be in danger from the rest of the world, why take the risk?' and choose not to do it. I'm not saying Trump's approach is terrible, I just don't think a Coup is likely.
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Thing is, most of the world's vitriol is aimed almost entirely towards Kim and many of his yes men. Sure some of it is flung towards the country itself, and for good reason with how impoverished they are and their relationship with SK, Japan and their allies Iran, China and Russia.

But the problem with trying to dispose of Kim is who'll replace him. The DPRK are used to the Kim dynasty, so it'd have to be someone from within the family. Yet there's not many options left, just Fatty's sister and brother. And who knows how long they'll last given Un's reputation of eliminating family members. If anything, they'll probably not revolt simply because there's few options going for them regarding leadership if/once he's eventually disposed of.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
Thing is, most of the world's vitriol is aimed almost entirely towards Kim and many of his yes men. Sure some of it is flung towards the country itself, and for good reason with how impoverished they are and their relationship with SK, Japan and their allies Iran, China and Russia.

But the problem with trying to dispose of Kim is who'll replace him. The DPRK are used to the Kim dynasty, so it'd have to be someone from within the family. Yet there's not many options left, just Fatty's sister and brother. And who knows how long they'll last given Un's reputation of eliminating family members. If anything, they'll probably not revolt simply because there's few options going for them regarding leadership if/once he's eventually disposed of.
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It'll be Fatboy's sister, she's apparently been more prominent at events in recent weeks. At least until one of the piglets comes of age.

The last brother is the gay one if I remember rightly.
 
Towards the end of WWII after we nuked Japan, the generals attempted a coup on the Emperor in an effort to continue the war. The Emperor was practically their God and they attempted a coup. I really don't think a coup on Fatty is that far-fetched.
 
Nacho Man Randy Salsa said:
Towards the end of WWII after we nuked Japan, the generals attempted a coup on the Emperor in an effort to continue the war. The Emperor was practically their God and they attempted a coup. I really don't think a coup on Fatty is that far-fetched.
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The issue isn't that they see him as a living god its that they see him as a living mealticket. The generals making decisions in North Korea aren't the same as the poor yokel farmers who make up most of North Korea, they have mansions and hookers and all sorts of shit. Also, unlike WW2 Japan, North Korea isn't in turmoil, and has allies on the outside (or so they believe).
 
Null said:
The issue is that the DPRK has been preparing for war for 50 years now. 100% of the DPRK internal propaganda revolves around an imminent threat from the U.S.. I am betting on the higher-ups realizing that the meek and mild disposition of our former presidents, and their International diplomatic equivalents of "microaggressions", are not the same thing as Trump.
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We may not notice it because it has been insignificant to us, but from their perspective, they have been at eternal war on us since the '50s. There has never been an end to the Korean War, merely an armistice.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
Thing is, most of the world's vitriol is aimed almost entirely towards Kim and many of his yes men. Sure some of it is flung towards the country itself, and for good reason with how impoverished they are and their relationship with SK, Japan and their allies Iran, China and Russia.

But the problem with trying to dispose of Kim is who'll replace him. The DPRK are used to the Kim dynasty, so it'd have to be someone from within the family. Yet there's not many options left, just Fatty's sister and brother. And who knows how long they'll last given Un's reputation of eliminating family members. If anything, they'll probably not revolt simply because there's few options going for them regarding leadership if/once he's eventually disposed of.
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There is Kim Jong un's nephew Kim han-sol but it's highly unlikely he will become leader


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Jewelsmakerguy said:
But the problem with trying to dispose of Kim is who'll replace him. The DPRK are used to the Kim dynasty, so it'd have to be someone from within the family. Yet there's not many options left, just Fatty's sister and brother. And who knows how long they'll last given Un's reputation of eliminating family members. If anything, they'll probably not revolt simply because there's few options going for them regarding leadership if/once he's eventually disposed of.
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There was suggestion from South Korean media, back in maybe 2013 I think, that Kim Jong Un was groomed after Jong Nam went AWOL (not just the Disney thing, but he wanted to open NK right up), because Jong Un was a soft touch and he'd be easily manipulated.

Jong Nam was the favourite for a simple reason outside of him being the eldest - he's also full Korean.
Jong-Un and Jong-Chul (KJU's older full brother) are 1/4 Japanese. Not only are they Japanese by blood, but their mother was by birth and blood a part of the "hostile" songbun. Basically a filthy outsider. They believe that their bloodline is SO important/magical, yet it was sullied when Jong-Il took up with Un's mother.

So even tho Chul is a cuck and Un was the better choice, they still were viewed as lesser. Basically the Kim dynasty will end here one way or another. Whilst Kim Hansol is only 22, he's well educated and would totally reform the NK Juche system if he were to ever go forth with NK politics. Unlikely tho. More likely is for the entire Kim family to be exiled and one of Jong-Il's old guard will take over until they're taken out completely by the US. Jong Un has outlived his usefulness to the Baekdu faithful, it won't be long one way or another.

Judging by all the information coming out of NK - how reliable it is is debatable because it comes mostly via SK, but there's a growing movement of people who want people (the world, US etc) to swoop in and save them, so I'd say you'd be very right about them not revolting whatsoever.

Kim Hansol is damn cute though. At least there's one male Kim who's not a fatass.
 
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So even tho Chul is a cuck and Un was the better choice, they still were viewed as lesser. Basically the Kim dynasty will end here one way or another. Whilst Kim Hansol is only 22, he's well educated and would totally reform the NK Juche system if he were to ever go forth with NK politics.
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It's pretty shocking he hasn't already been murdered.
 
AnOminous said:
It's pretty shocking he hasn't already been murdered.
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Who, Hansol? Maybe it's due to him wanting no part in any of this until it all blows over. Assuming he even wants to after his fat fuck of a brother dies. If it's Un, then it's more than likely because of his status as a manchild tyrant.

Anyhoo, turns out the Ruskies are what's stopping Trump and Xi from progressing any further with any NK dealings.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/north-...sia-hurting-u-s-efforts-north-korea-s-n814516
 
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...-pacific-ahead-trump-visit-asia/#.WfbAw4VlCEe

U.S. sends nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bomber on mission in Pacific ahead of Trump visit to Asia



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The U.S. military sent a nuclear-capable B-2 stealth bomber from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri on a long-range mission to the Pacific area of operations over the weekend, it said Sunday, a day after Pentagon chief Jim Mattis highlighted rival North Korea’s “accelerating” atomic weapons program during a visit to South Korea.

The U.S. military’s Strategic Command said in a statement that the type of long-range mission conducted was to “familiarize aircrew with air bases and operations in different geographic combatant commands, enabling them to maintain a high state of readiness and proficiency.”







In a message likely intended to reassure Japan and South Korea ahead of U.S. President Donald Trump’s visit to Asia, which kicks off later this week, the statement also referred to the B-2 mission as “a visible demonstration of commitment to our allies and enhancing regional security.”

The flight path of the B-2 was unclear, and Strategic Command did not respond to a request for comment, but the last time one of the stealth bombers flew near the Koreas was during a rare show of force over the peninsula in 2013. Military experts say that any U.S. strike on North Korea would almost certainly involve the powerful bombers.

On Sunday, South Korea’s Yonhap news agency reported that Seoul had signaled its intent to offer maintenance support for U.S. strategic military assets to be deployed there on a rotational basis in time of need, citing an anonymous government source.

The source was quoted as saying that the plan conveyed Seoul’s “hope that the U.S. will expand its missions on the Korean Peninsula without any concerns over issues of maintenance, fuel supplies and so forth.”

The weekend flight of the B-2, which can carry conventional as well as nuclear bombs, comes just ahead of Trump’s Asia tour, which is scheduled to kick off with a visit to Japan between Nov. 5-7. That visit will include talks with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe that are expected to focus on the North Korean nuclear crisis.

The North has made a series of breakthroughs in its nuclear and missile programs this year, conducting its sixth and most powerful nuclear test early last month and twice test-firing an intercontinental ballistic missile in July that experts say is capable of striking a large chunk of the U.S.

On Saturday Mattis blasted North Korea for “outlaw” behavior and vowed that the U.S. would never accept a nuclear North.

“North Korea has accelerated the threat that it poses to its neighbors and the world through its illegal and unnecessary missile and nuclear weapons programs,” he said, adding that U.S.-South Korean military and diplomatic collaboration thus has taken on “a new urgency.”

“I cannot imagine a condition under which the United States would accept North Korea as a nuclear power,” Mattis said.

In recent months, the North has also lobbed two missiles — believed capable of carrying a nuclear payload — over Hokkaido and threatened to target the area around the U.S. territory of Guam with “enveloping fire.” The isolated nation has also said it might test a hydrogen bomb over the Pacific Ocean.

In response, the U.S. has sent powerful B-1B bombers from Guam for joint exercises with the Air Self-Defense Force over Japanese territory and the South Korean Air Force over the Korean Peninsula.

Those missions have enraged Pyongyang, which views the exercises and flights as a rehearsal for invasion. It says it could shoot down U.S. bombers and fighter jets that fly too close to its disputed border with South Korea. Experts, however, doubt the North possesses the technological capabilities to do so.
 
Does the Nork Army even have one Radar system that could detect a flying B2?

If I was Trump, I'd order a B2 to drop a payload of 2 tons of rubber chickens on the KJU residence, just as a little reminder how big the difference in technology is.
 
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