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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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So when's Fatboy going to throw a wobbler about this?
As soon as he "turns the US into ash", duh.

Wouldn't be surprised if Russia stopped being the moderator for both sides after this once Fatty begins threatening his life.

Meanwhile, the Norks are begging for money even though they're planning to throw bombs over the Chinese border and call Xi a "son of a bitch"...
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/17/north-koreas-economy-may-not-survive-another-year-defector-says.html
 
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During a 2014 meeting with North Korean officials, Kim Jong Un called Xi a "son of a b----" and the Chinese "sons of b------," Ri said, adding that there is fear China will "betray" North Korea.

As a result, building a relationship with the United States is the rogue state's primary focus.

Ri likened Kim's war of words with President Donald Trump to a "child and adult dispute."

From the article above, This in particular is very illogical. If you want to build a relationship you have to show sympathy to your target's concerns. Instead rocket boy is doubling down hard and further alienating the US. Even the Soviets knew when to soften their voice.
 
The problem is NK is built around a literal cult. If the capital was getting 3 to 4 hours of electricity per fucking day you would think they would cry uncle. They are a country full of insane brainwashed peasents loyal only to great leader. It can't even keep its army fed anymore.

You can't go anywhere when you are a cult like this. You only get to self destruct. That's why nobody wants it to have nukes. Its going to burn out and eventually start a suicidal war. I don't think anything can change fat asses mind at this point.
 
As soon as he "turns the US into ash", duh.

Wouldn't be surprised if Russia stopped being the moderator for both sides after this once Fatty begins threatening his life.

Meanwhile, the Norks are begging for money even though they're planning to throw bombs over the Chinese border and call Xi a "son of a bitch"...
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/17/north-koreas-economy-may-not-survive-another-year-defector-says.html
The prospect of North Koreas economy falling apart are the most worrisome news we've had in months, I think.
Sabre-rattling, tough speeches and missiles that drop into the middle of the pacific ocean aren't good either, but North Korea is the most dangerous when they think they stand with their backs to a wall.
A couple years ago, it was said the North Korean army's oil reserves might be running so low that they can only last another couple months or so, which means if they wanna start something, they'd have to start soon or else risk not being able to use their military for a long time.
If their economy does fall apart and Fatty refuses to give in to some demands, this could turn ugly real quick.

Then again, I would not be surprised if some high ranking NK generals wouldn't just purge the fat fuck if he started plans to attack his neighbors. If there's anything these guys enjoy, it's not being blown up by the combined forces of the USA and Asia. They'd rather kill off Fatty and try to strike a deal with their enemies, I guess.

Even the Soviets knew when to soften their voice.
I assume Fatty fears that he'll get FLAK'd the moment he shows any kind of weakness. So he's doubling down until he's in a corner and then things start becoming interesting.

The problem is NK is built around a literal cult. If the capital was getting 3 to 4 hours of electricity per fucking day you would think they would cry uncle. They are a country full of insane brainwashed peasents loyal only to great leader. It can't even keep its army fed anymore.
One of the more insane aspects of this cult is that the Norks actually and genuinely believe that they have it rather good compared to the rest of the world.
NK likes to show stock footage of -say- New Orleans after Hurrican Katrina and black looters running amok.
In the Norks perception, the entire planet is some Mad Max type hell and in NK, you might not always have electricity, food or water, but at least Dear Leader is watching over you and you're living a peaceful live as long as you adhere to the rules.
 
The prospect of North Koreas economy falling apart are the most worrisome news we've had in months, I think.
Sabre-rattling, tough speeches and missiles that drop into the middle of the pacific ocean aren't good either, but North Korea is the most dangerous when they think they stand with their backs to a wall.
A couple years ago, it was said the North Korean army's oil reserves might be running so low that they can only last another couple months or so, which means if they wanna start something, they'd have to start soon or else risk not being able to use their military for a long time.
If their economy does fall apart and Fatty refuses to give in to some demands, this could turn ugly real quick.

Then again, I would not be surprised if some high ranking NK generals wouldn't just purge the fat fuck if he started plans to attack his neighbors. If there's anything these guys enjoy, it's not being blown up by the combined forces of the USA and Asia. They'd rather kill off Fatty and try to strike a deal with their enemies, I guess.


I assume Fatty fears that he'll get FLAK'd the moment he shows any kind of weakness. So he's doubling down until he's in a corner and then things start becoming interesting.


One of the more insane aspects of this cult is that the Norks actually and genuinely believe that they have it rather good compared to the rest of the world.
NK likes to show stock footage of -say- New Orleans after Hurrican Katrina and black looters running amok.
In the Norks perception, the entire planet is some Mad Max type hell and in NK, you might not always have electricity, food or water, but at least Dear Leader is watching over you and you're living a peaceful live as long as you adhere to the rules.

As far as I've heard Joe Schmo knows that's horseshit these days from word of mouth based in seeing ROK soap operas.
 
As far as I've heard Joe Schmo knows that's horseshit these days from word of mouth based in seeing ROK soap operas.
I like to imagine that it's very close to 1984 Doublethink, where the Norks know that the outside world is Mad Max Land, but also know that the outside world is nothing as shitty as their fucked up shithole of a country.

I mean, there's people who are basically forced to work abroad, sooner or later, they word-of-mouth will spread that there's places outside of NK where you have access to electricity around the clock even in the suburbs of a minor town in the middle of nowhere... where tapwater is actually transparent and can be drunken without boiling it for 5 minutes.
 
I like to imagine that it's very close to 1984 Doublethink, where the Norks know that the outside world is Mad Max Land, but also know that the outside world is nothing as shitty as their fucked up shithole of a country.

I mean, there's people who are basically forced to work abroad, sooner or later, they word-of-mouth will spread that there's places outside of NK where you have access to electricity around the clock even in the suburbs of a minor town in the middle of nowhere... where tapwater is actually transparent and can be drunken without boiling it for 5 minutes.
Not to mention all the defectors who've told about the horrors of Fatty and his family's regime.

If it is true that the country's economy is going further and further down the shitter and most of these threats are just that- empty threats. Then the Kim dynasty may see a change as soon as the citizens of NK realize their leader is an idiot and demand someone else in charge (obviously from within the family).

The problem is NK is built around a literal cult. If the capital was getting 3 to 4 hours of electricity per fucking day you would think they would cry uncle. They are a country full of insane brainwashed peasents loyal only to great leader. It can't even keep its army fed anymore.

You can't go anywhere when you are a cult like this. You only get to self destruct. That's why nobody wants it to have nukes. Its going to burn out and eventually start a suicidal war. I don't think anything can change fat asses mind at this point.
Unless China or Russia "backstab" them even further than they have (ramped-up sanctions, shows of military might, public condemnation of both the program and Fatty himself), He'll keep acting like a stressed out manbaby with missiles until he's either kicked out of power or is somehow assassinated.
 
Not to mention all the defectors who've told about the horrors of Fatty and his family's regime.

If it is true that the country's economy is going further and further down the shitter and most of these threats are just that- empty threats. Then the Kim dynasty may see a change as soon as the citizens of NK realize their leader is an idiot and demand someone else in charge (obviously from within the family).


Unless China or Russia "backstab" them even further than they have (ramped-up sanctions, shows of military might, public condemnation of both the program and Fatty himself), He'll keep acting like a stressed out manbaby with missiles until he's either kicked out of power or is somehow assassinated.

If they take KJU out, they also need to take all his designated 2IC's out too and a number of elite families (loyal level songbun class) in Pyongyang that have the means to resurrect the regime.
Since the regime shift from military to elite was a breaking point for a lot of everyday people in NK, it'd be great to see a genuine worker's party alliance or someone rise up from a lower songbun - like the wavering class (which is now estimated at about 75% of the population, with the loyal class being at 8%). However, as always the loyal core have all the weapons so outside military intervention is the only way.
 
I don't think the regime is gonna fall, as much as the Kim dynasty is. Someone's gonna replace them as the head of state, and I doubt much'll change for the average joe. I wouldn't be surprised if his elites are already plotting to grasp for power, since Fatty's more or less completely fucked them- but honestly? I wouldn't be surprised if he's already done another purge, or preparing one.

Maybe someone's gonna poison his cheese or something.
 
If they take KJU out, they also need to take all his designated 2IC's out too and a number of elite families (loyal level songbun class) in Pyongyang that have the means to resurrect the regime.
Since the regime shift from military to elite was a breaking point for a lot of everyday people in NK, it'd be great to see a genuine worker's party alliance or someone rise up from a lower songbun - like the wavering class (which is now estimated at about 75% of the population, with the loyal class being at 8%). However, as always the loyal core have all the weapons so outside military intervention is the only way.
See now that's the thing. I don't expect the dynasty to change, just Un's leadership itself. Be it internally by his people or externally by China or the US.
 
Fatty decided to write Australia a passive aggressive letter in Top Quality Engrish. It's pretty ridiculous, Fairfax have released it as scans as per the link, so it's even better in its original format.

North Korea urges Australia to dump Trump
NORTH Korea has sent an “unprecedented” letter to the Australian Government, imploring us to turn against our biggest ally. It’s a very revealing move.

James Law and Debra Killalea
news.com.au
OCTOBER 20, 20171:25PM

Is war the only option we have with North Korea?

NORTH Korea has sent a “desperate” letter to the Australian Government, imploring it to turn against US President Donald Trump.
The rambling open letter, which has been published by Fairfax, came from the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) Foreign Affairs Committee via the country’s Jakarta embassy.
“The Foreign Affairs Committee … bitterly condemns the reckless remarks of Trump as an intolerable insult to the Korean people, a declaration of war against the DPRK and a grave threat to the global peace,” the letter reads.

“From the first day of his office, Trump has engaged himself in highhanded and arbitrary practice, scrapping international laws and agreements incurring his displeasure on the ‘US-first principle’, the height of American way of thinking that is best if the US is well-off at the expense of the whole world.
“If Trump thinks that he would bring the DPRK, a nuclear power, to its knees through nuclear war threat, it will be a big miscalculation and an expression of ignorance.”


The screed appears to be a heavy-handed plea to various parliaments to pull out of the harsh United Nations Security Council sanctions levelled against North Korea over its weapons program.
The sanctions have struck a significant blow to the nation’s economy, with one former high-ranking North Korea official saying this week that the country “will not survive a year” under them.
“The US brought to their knees those countries devoid of principle, narrow-minded and selfish countries seeking after their interests with its nuclear stick and force and then cooked up the illegal ‘sanctions resolution against the DPRK to deny the elementary right to existence of the Korea people and check their normal economic development in breach of the inviolable UN charter by abusing the UN Security Council,” the letter reads.
The missive concludes by calling for “international justice” and “sharp vigilance against the heinous and reckless moves of the Trump administration trying to drive the world into a horrible nuclear disaster”.
Foreign Minister Julie Bishop told Fairfax it was clear North Korea are feeling desperate, isolated and trying to demonise the US as well as divide the international community.

Speaking on Sky News this morning, Ms Bishop said the letter was “unprecedented”.
Pyongyang typically communicates its messages and propaganda through its state-run Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).
“This is an unprecedented step for North Korea to send a letter directly to another government in this way,” she said.
“It’s not the way the usually publish their global messages.”
Ms Bishop said she saw the letter as a positive move and as evidence that the collective strategy of imposing maximum diplomatic and economic pressure through sanctions was working.
“This is a response to the pressure that Australia, the United States, China, Japan, South Korea and others are putting on North Korea so that it will refrain from its current conduct of provocative and threatening behaviour and will be compelled back to the negotiating table.
“I see it as a positive sign.”
The letter begins with the North Korean embassy offering its “compliments to the parliament of the Commonwealth of Australia”, which is a bit rich given that the rogue nation has made repeated military threats towards us for supporting America.
On Saturday, Pyongyang, via KCNA, again called out Australia for its outspokenness in calling for an end to its nuclear weapons program, warning it if it continues Australia “will not be able to avoid a disaster”.
At the time Ms Bishop, who was in South Korea with Defence Minister Marise Payne for talks with their South Korean counterparts, hit back and said Australia was not a “primary target”.
“North Korea’s threats only strengthen our resolve to find a peaceful solution to the rising tensions on the Korean Peninsula caused entirely by North Korea’s illegal, threatening and provocative behaviour,” Ms Bishop told reporters in Sydney on Sunday.
North Korea has made repeated military threats against Australia.

‘POSITIVE STEP’
Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull told 3AW’s Neil Mitchell the letter proved international sanctions against the regime were biting hard.
Mr Turnbull said the letter didn’t say anything about Australia and instead ranted about how bad Donald Trump is.
“They’ve sent this letter to a lot of other countries.,” Mr Turnbull said.
The Prime Minister was asked if the letter was significant and what it showed.
“It’s consistent with their rant and complaints about Donald Trump, but the fact is North Korea is the one in breach of UN security council resolutions,” he said.
“It’s North Korea that's threatened the stability of the world and that’s the regime that has to return to its senses.”
Mr Turnbull also praised North Korea’s main ally, China, for taking tough action against Pyongyang.
“They are working, they are starting to feel the squeeze because China to its credit is part of these global sanctions which include restricting oil exports.
“The tighter economic sanctions are applied the greater the prospect we have of resolving this without a conflict.”
Professor of International Security and Intelligence Studies Professor John Blaxland told news.com.au said the letter indicated two things.
Kim Jong-un called Mr Trump “mentally deranged” and said the US will “pay dearly” for his threat to destroy North Korea.

“First it seems to demonstrate North Korean unease about the extent of the UN sanctions and their expected impact, not just on the weapons program but on North Korean society, particularly as it heads into a long, cold and dark winter,” he said.
Prof Blaxland said capped oil imports and other embargoes would make governing North Korea even more difficult.
“Second, there is a sense that Kim Jong-un may be playing on the growing unease at Trump’s extreme and bellicose language and KJU (Kim Jong-un) may be onto something here.
“North Korean officials would be aware that Australians are increasingly ill at ease with apparently fawning expressions of support for Trump’s emotive rants against KJU.”
“It stands to reason that a public but official appeal by the DPRK to Australian and other international common sense may have the desired effect — that is, to reduce international resolve to maintain sanctions and to undermine their willingness to continue backing Trump’s actions to the hilt, particularly should it escalate into open conflict.”

‘STRATEGIC LETTER’
Dr Peter Layton, a visiting fellow at the Griffith Asia Institute at Griffith University, said the letter was interesting.
Dr Layton said the DPRK talk of an open letter sent to foreign parliaments — not governments — on 24 September and datewise this letter seems part of that.
“Although ours appears to have been tailored for us as the DPRK news includes parts ours doesn’t have,” he said.
Dr Layton said he saw the letter as a tactical move consistent with the overall DPRK strategy.
“The letter logically argues its position and leaves aside much of the rhetoric normally associated with the DPRK,” he said.
“The letter does not ask our parliament to actually do anything suggesting it aims principally to set out the DPRK position. It is a diplomatic move but not directly aiming to restart negotiations.”

Dr Layton said it would appeal to those worried about Donald Trump and the US more broadly and played upon the old logic trick of: ‘if you are opposed to Donald Trump you must therefore be friends with us’.
“The DPRK is seeking the moral high ground in deliberately contrasting itself with Donald Trump,” he said.
“The DPRK is playing for time to allow the completion of its long-ranged nuclear missile force as Kim-il Ju has stated. He will talk after he has a stronger hand not before. The letter is part of that strategy.”
He said he didn’t think the letter was desperate and didn’t necessarily reveal the current sanctions or actions are having a tangible impact.
“It’s a more a muddy-the-waters letter to support the DPRK strategy of playing for time until they are militarily ready,” he said.

TYPICAL KIM
Senior analyst in defence strategy and capability at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, Dr Malcolm Davis said the letter was a typical North Korean tactic.
“They won’t get very far with this tactic, as Julie Bishop has made clear. I think North Korea is completely isolated at this stage in terms of culpability,” Dr Davis said.
“Certainly there are concerns about Trump’s language in his UNGA speech, and statements like ‘calm before the storm’ and ‘fire, fury and power’ don’t help.
“But no one at a high level or with any influence, holds the view that North Korea is not the instigator of this crisis. Its Pyongyang that is setting off nukes and firing missiles over Japan, and threatening an atmospheric nuclear test.”
Dr Davis said while the sanctions might not be hitting as hard yet, the North Koreans would soon feel the effects come winter.
“This letter suggests that the North Koreans don’t really understand how western policy works or how people in the west see this threat,” he said.
“The North Koreans are not seeing this crisis through the eyes of Western leaders — they remain isolated in their hermit kingdom, and think that somehow rhetoric and threats will make western states back down. Their miscalculation.”

KJU is basically at "YOU'VE REALLY DONE IT THIS TIME YOU...TWOLLS" level now.
 
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So we've got about a year before Tokyo eats it, or Fatboy is toppled? This whole letter is just wonderful though, I wonder who else got it?

This letter was specifically and solely for Australia. He seems to think we'll be sympathetic or something?
Things MUST be getting bad if he thinks Australia will help him out :story:.
I can imagine his pouting rage as he demanded someone write a letter to Australia for him.
He should have asked Daddy China or Uncle Indonesia for help before Australia.
But you know... he's just not made of the same stuff his dad and granddaddy were. Probably on account of that Jap/Traitor level blood he has. None of that Baekdu magic DNA for him.
 
This letter was specifically and solely for Australia. He seems to think we'll be sympathetic or something?
Things MUST be getting bad if he thinks Australia will help him out :story:.
I can imagine his pouting rage as he demanded someone write a letter to Australia for him.
He should have asked Daddy China or Uncle Indonesia for help before Australia.
But you know... he's just not made of the same stuff his dad and granddaddy were. Probably on account of that Jap/Traitor level blood he has. None of that Baekdu magic DNA for him.
Kim should have realized that Australia hates their guts as much as everyone else and that they'll support the US until Kim finally snaps and starts WWIII.
 
I am predicting a military coup by February, 2018.
I'm not so sure, most military coups happen during times of internal chaos or tranquility, A coup during external instability would be much more rare. The major cause of international trouble is Kim's ICBM dreams, not his internal leadership or shakeups in the power structure. The generals most likely agree with Kim that an ICBM is the only true deterrent against American military power, I mean, hell, they probably encouraged him. I doubt anyone in the North Korean military structure is happy with their current international position, but there's very little choice, from their perspective. They probably don't even see Kim's leadership as wrong.
Also, China has been giving the Norks plenty of subtle signals like ending coal shipments while increasing purchases of other North Korean goods (resulting in a net benefit to the North Korean economy) Which means the generals will assume China has their back, and they aren't in real danger. Russia is probably being similarly two-faced. All in all, I doubt the Generals will see a coup as their best option.
 
I am predicting a military coup by February, 2018.

You are assuming rationality, but I hope you're right.

Either North Korea gets rid of that flabby cocksucker or it ceases to exist.
 
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