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There's so much news about North Korea right now and what Un is doing, I got a suggestion for a NK megathread, so here it is. Post the world's greatest nation's antics here. I'm merging a few of the more recent threads to continue discussion.



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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/south-korea-planning-war-decapitation-132232777.html

South Korean President Moon Jae-in has pushed for a new plan for a rapid war with North Korea and an overhaul of the country's defense industry to overwhelm and crush the North's government, the South Korean newspaper The Chosun Ilbo reported Tuesday.

Moon took office in May promising to attempt to engage diplomatically with North Korea and seek peace, but in the months since, the North has provoked the international community with missile tests at a blistering pace.

For some time, South Korea has been training a "decapitation force," reportedly with the help of the US Navy's SEAL Team 6, but now an increasingly bold North Korea may demand quicker action.

South Korea's new plan identifies more than 1,000 targets for precision missile fires and sites for marines to drop in and quickly kill North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, the paper reported.

The plan represents a more independent version of South Korea's current plan, which relies on support from US aircraft carriers. As it stands, no major military commander recommends military action against North Korea, which has a staggering array of conventional — and potentially nuclear — weapons pointed at Seoul, where 26 million call home.

But South Korea's new plan to quickly and decisively dominate the North relies on reforming the defense-acquisition process and cutting out wasteful spending to wield the full might of its economic dominance against Pyongyang, according to the report. For that reason, don't expect the plan to take effect anytime soon.
 
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imagine getting this upset at killing communists, Chink and Korean communists, no less. They aren't human, who cares? No wonder your country's political parties at this point are just different shades of socialist faggot
It's the brazen faggotry involved in the McDonald's cultists and their self-assured superiority, built on nothing but delusions of grandeur and stolen technology.

Even a Communist deserves a more dignified end than getting the plague from a vengeful, opportunistic tyrant. That's the piece of respect I simply can't give to an American. Communists have dignity and honour - the Americans do not.

In schoolyard terms, the Communists can take a punch. They're annoying, bitchy and not someone anyone really likes - but you can respect the fact they stand up for themselves, and eachother.

American will cry, shit themselves and shoot up the entire school if you do punch them.

Yeah, I'm not saying he's lying but some citations would be nice. Either way, I genuinely don't give two shits about "war crimes" against commie scum.
There's a full Wikipedia page.


It's worth following up the bits about the USA setting up its own organisations to counter the international condemnation it received. They're unanimously tranny guilds, now.

I literally don't even know what his fucking point is except to seethe about various imagined war crimes we committed while ignoring the Empire's own excesses.
Like this. No, your country is full of drug addicts and gay pornography. You've tied yourself to everyone else - it's like being chained to the sinking Titanic. Except, instead of the nice band playing, it's a naked black woman in a stars-and-stripes hijab twerking to rap music. There's only one culture where work comes before children.

Which country is fucking worse to be born in? Iran? or Nork?
It's hard to say. As the USA collapses, North Korea can only get better. South Korea is the one with zero births and zero future - the unnatural perversion of the American standard is, by its nature, self-destructive.
 
Doesn't it strike you as a little bit odd that North Korea can build enough weapons to supply Russia, can produce its own nuclear arsenal complete with intercontinental ballistic missiles, apparently has the most modern sort of chemical weapons and can conduct covert assassinations abroad - yet, can't quite get the farming right, as the weird potato man is implying?
I'm sure they know how to properly farm but they prioritize weapons over food. What difference does it make if the population is starving as long as Kim is fat and their military has plenty of ammo? Farming is a ancient skill there's no way none of that knowledge was shared with North Korea or they didn't figure it out on their own.
 
@Doctor Love all of these allegations are from communists, who despite your fellating, are not honourable. There is no actual proof of these claims and your passionate sperging doesn't make it true. Again you whine about plague that killed very few in the grand scheme of things but have no compunction with the mass starvation, concentration camps and mass murder by the millions by the CCP and DPRK of their own people. Furthermore, I looked into the so-called 3000 killed by the ROK government, they only killed like 170 and you left out the context that the country was destabilized by an attempted coup d'état and the assassination of their president so why should I take anything else you say at face value you communist sympathizing piece of trash? Though I do agree that the US is scum for spreading tranny shit
 
@Doctor Love all of these allegations are from communists, who despite your fellating, are not honourable. There is no actual proof of these claims and your passionate sperging doesn't make it true. Again you whine about plague that killed very few in the grand scheme of things but have no compunction with the mass starvation, concentration camps and mass murder by the millions by the CCP and DPRK of their own people. Furthermore, I looked into the so-called 3000 killed by the ROK government, they only killed like 170 and you left out the context that the country was destabilized by an attempted coup d'état and the assassination of their president so why should I take anything else you say at face value you communist sympathizing piece of trash? Though I do agree that the US is scum for spreading tranny shit
It also wouldn't be the first time a wartime outbreak was misidentified as biological warfare. The Japanese at Khalkhin Gol had a mass outbreak of dysentery they blamed on the Soviets. Shit in Korea in general was absolutely fucked with Seoul being pounded flatter than Berlin ever was by the end of things due to how frequently it had changed hands. I would be more shocked if there wasn't a mass outbreak somewhere on that peninsula.
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On top of that North Korea was subjected to all of the lessons we learned in WW2 (many of which we learned from the English, naturally) about how to cripple a nation from the air with the South being left more intact thanks to US domination of the skies over it and the lack of any real bombing capability the Soviet/ChiCom/Nork forces had.
 
I'm sure they know how to properly farm but they prioritize weapons over food. What difference does it make if the population is starving as long as Kim is fat and their military has plenty of ammo? Farming is a ancient skill there's no way none of that knowledge was shared with North Korea or they didn't figure it out on their own.
They can't properly farm because of the level of damage incurred by the complete destruction of infrastructure.

They know exactly how, but they were an advanced society. They had the largest dam network of any country outside of the USA - their entire agriculture depended on a sophisticated network of reservoirs to regulate their irregular water table. They have mountains and shit, relatively poor soil, harsh winters - they need a lot of work before they can farm properly.

They had the work - the USA targeted it, specifically, to starve out anyone who might become a Communist.

so why should I take anything else you say at face value you communist sympathizing piece of trash?
You lied repeatedly - the real number, according to the modern South Koreans, is around 1700 up to 3500. Read the full page, don't lie - this wasn't "Communists", this was the South Korean government.

This is what I'm talking about. The Communists have balls. The Americans do not. In a choice between Americans and Communists, why would anyone pick the Americans? Your entire ideology is based around hedonism. The Communists, at the bare minimum, are more respectable by default. They actually fought - the Communist is a brute, someone who is extremely violent and was raised in pure violence. It's all they really know, and they can take a punch as well as they can give one. The Communist is just as likely to starve to death, as he is to starve someone else.

The USA is like a serial killer. He will stalk victims, rape them, strangle them, defile their corpse and lie to the police. If the victim fights back, he will flee, dropping his possessions at the scene. Like with Afghanistan. Afghanistan wasn't an exception - Afghanistan is how every single American conflict has been. Shoot civilians, flee from the army, commit war crimes.

There is no other country which stomachs the idea of foreign sweatshops as well as the American - who believes it is his God-given right to consoom at other's expense, until he gracelessly expires.

On top of that North Korea was subjected to all of the lessons we learned in WW2 (many of which we learned from the English, naturally) about how to cripple a nation from the air with the South being left more intact thanks to US domination of the skies over it and the lack of any real bombing capability the Soviet/ChiCom/Nork forces had.
Again. Britain also put the time and money into Section VII. Section VII was good-to-go, and the fact that the entire concept of why Section VII existed is completely alien to the average American is why you are the most evil country on Earth.

Some self-awareness would go a long way. There's a difference between killing someone in self-defence, and strangling a prostitute to death to save money. The USA is the latter. There's no justification behind any of this - it was naked aggression, and pure criminal conduct all the way through.
 
Again. Britain also put the time and money into Section VII. Section VII was good-to-go, and the fact that the entire concept of why Section VII existed is completely alien to the average American is why you are the most evil country on Earth.

Some self-awareness would go a long way. There's a difference between killing someone in self-defence, and strangling a prostitute to death to save money. The USA is the latter. There's no justification behind any of this - it was naked aggression, and pure criminal conduct all the way through.
Bro, Churchill had to tell Arthur "Do It Again" Harris to ease off on the bombing because otherwise there wouldn't be any houses left for the occupation troops to quarter in! Your entire strategic bombing campaign during WW2 consisted of turning as many Germans as possible into hobos. To quote the man himself:
the aim of the Combined Bomber Offensive...should be unambiguously stated [as] the destruction of German cities, the killing of German workers, and the disruption of civilized life throughout Germany. ... the destruction of houses, public utilities, transport and lives, the creation of a refugee problem on an unprecedented scale, and the breakdown of morale both at home and at the battle fronts by fear of extended and intensified bombing, are accepted and intended aims of our bombing policy. They are not by-products of attempts to hit factories.
This wasn't even just his thoughts! I suppose of course you're going to claim "muh existential war" to justify yourself (which is fine), but when your own allies start employing similar tactics you don't just get to wash your hands of responsibility. Hell, you guys were cheering on American participation in the bombing and wishing we'd do more. If its okay for us to engage in widespread aerial destruction in support of an ally engaged in existential war one time (the UK), it should be okay for us to do the same again when said ally is South Korea.

Now, I will give you one thing and that is our willingness to kick the table over when we start losing. But surely the UK would never do that in a war, now would it? I'm sure the people of Copenhagen deserved to have Nelson threaten to turn their houses into kindling for the crime of... protesting British contraband searches of neutral cargo ships. Hmm, really makes you think...

And then of course a few years later the UK went and fucking did it again to them. Don't you know its bad to go sink the navies of neutral countries?
 
@Doctor Love 165 is the government number yes, but the modern number says 600-2300 first of all, which is a massive range, secondly there is no consensus as to how many were killed. You blatantly lied about the numbers that are listed there and omitted the context because like all communist sympathizers you are a sniveling rat that should be exterminated. Secondly, I didn't say it was communists who did the killing you fuckin tard, I said it happened as a result of the South Korean government trying to stabilize the highly volatile situation in their country at the time due to a coup d'état and the assassination of their president, which most governments would do if presented with this situation. Are you as illiterate as you are a fag for commie dick? Why do you have a problem with the ROK being a military dictatorship until the 90s, which was somewhat reasonable given their geopolitical situation and still far less authoritarian than China or DPRK, but you don't have a problem with the totalitarian regime in DPRK that still exists, who puts their own people in concentration camps for attempting to leave the shithole and watching foreign TV? Autistically hyperfocused on a few hundred people being killed to quell destabilization once in the entire history of the country, but the Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution or the Arduous March where tens of millions starved or were murdered? No problem bro!

Again you gloss over and ignore all atrocities committed by the CCP and DPRK against their own people and focus only on the US, the latter of which I agree is not above criticism for many things. That being said, there is absolutely no evidence of any of Agent Pink being sprayed in North Korea, so this is being directly pulled from your ass like I assume many things literally are on a daily basis. Nooooo, it's so hard to believe that communists, who are notorious for their complete disdain for and genocide of farmers in every regime that has ever existed, as well as their complete inability to farm in general, nooooo it must have been the US spraying Agent Pink on them even though its effects in the soil would have dissipated not long after it was allegedly (by you and you alone) sprayed. Noooooo, there's no way the plague started in China naturally as a result of war, famine and other things, especially in one of the most known areas for vectors of diseases in the world where the plague reemerges on a yearly basis, nooooo it must have been the US spreading it, the commies said so so it must be true! What a dumb communist fuck you are.

"There is no other country which stomachs the idea of foreign sweatshops as well as the American - who believes it is his God-given right to consoom at other's expense, until he gracelessly expires." Yeahhh don't blame the countries that put their own children in sweatshops (i.e., China), blame the country that pays the country who puts their children in sweatshops! That must be those balls and all that honour you're talking about among the commies! Taking dirty American money to enslave their own children to make Nike shoes so that the party elite can profit. Shit for brains
 
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They know exactly how, but they were an advanced society. They had the largest dam network of any country outside of the USA - their entire agriculture depended on a sophisticated network of reservoirs to regulate their irregular water table. They have mountains and shit, relatively poor soil, harsh winters - they need a lot of work before they can farm properly.

They had the work - the USA targeted it, specifically, to starve out anyone who might become a Communist.
Yea I guess thats' why we aren't taught shit about the Korean War in school. I bet there are people in America who don't know there was even a Korean war. But I've heard their soil quality is total shit, I didn't know they had a large damn though. The country does interest me since so little information is available on it. I also imagine all the sanctions and stuff that are still imposed on North Korea is preventing them from being able to farm their land today. Can they get fertilizer and stuff like that or are we afraid they will weaponize it?
 
Can they get fertilizer and stuff like that or are we afraid they will weaponize it?

IIRC, North Korea can't get actual fertilizer, so they resort to using human shit as a substitute, which does not work well at all.

About NK itself, would they fare better in the long run, since they are isolated from the rest of the world, and aren't exposed to the toxic media available elsewhere in the World today? Maybe the Kims are on to something alright, since they protect their citizens from exposure to K-Pop, Anime/Manga, and Western Woke media, and go after people hard that have those, as if they commited Treason. And they're doing it better than their CCP neighbors, because some of that stuff gets leaked into China, because those companies want to tap into the giant Chinese market.
 
Which country is fucking worse to be born in? Iran? or Nork?
Depends on your family. In NK if you've got a politically provocative family member, then you might be sent to a gulag for their "crimes".
Iran is basically a normal Muslim country but with a hostile superpower breathing down its neck.

Haiti is probably worst of the bunch, though Chinese-dominated Cambodia or a particular super polluted African country might be worse.
 
About NK itself, would they fare better in the long run, since they are isolated from the rest of the world, and aren't exposed to the toxic media available elsewhere in the World today? Maybe the Kims are on to something alright, since they protect their citizens from exposure to K-Pop, Anime/Manga, and Western Woke media, and go after people hard that have those, as if they commited Treason
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Yea I guess thats' why we aren't taught shit about the Korean War in school. I bet there are people in America who don't know there was even a Korean war. But I've heard their soil quality is total shit, I didn't know they had a large damn though. The country does interest me since so little information is available on it. I also imagine all the sanctions and stuff that are still imposed on North Korea is preventing them from being able to farm their land today. Can they get fertilizer and stuff like that or are we afraid they will weaponize it?
When Korea was one country the south had most of the agriculture and the north most of the industry. When the Korean Peninsula was divided each half had to try and make up what they had lost. The South did rather better at building up their industries than the North did their agriculture. The North was pretty much able to feed itself until the famines of the early 1990s - combination of bad weather and mismanagement. The South, by comparison, has gone from strength to strength. Whatever they don't produce enough of for people to eat, they can easily purchase from abroad. The North cannot do this except for certain purchases not intended for the general public.

There's a great deal of information available on both Koreas and the Korean War - just plug the terms into a search engine.
 
The South did rather better at building up their industries than the North did their agriculture. The North was pretty much able to feed itself until the famines of the early 1990s - combination of bad weather and mismanagement
When we inevitably get access to documents showing the USA was involved in the 90s, will you condemn it or shrug it off?
 
And then of course a few years later the UK went and fucking did it again to them. Don't you know its bad to go sink the navies of neutral countries?
See: Section VII. When the USA has a network of clandestine bunkers built, to hold behind the enemy lines and kill any collaborators with specialised weaponry. Once I see the National Guard of Ohio start training dinner ladies to garrot Senators, then we can talk about comparing the two. Britain's plan was to pull a permanent Warsaw Uprising. The UK was facing the prospect of invasion. It's why it's only the most faggy, whiny Pajeets and their American sycophants who try to complain about British misconduct in the war.

Ask the Russians about British misconduct, and they'll say we should have killed more. I agree with Enoch Powell, in that the worst effect of the Second World War was allowing the USA to enter world politics. Never has so much been taken, by people who have given less to gain more.

By the time that happened, children were evacuated from the capital because of the intensity of the strikes against the mainland. 70,000 Brits had died during these bombings - they weren't a minor affair. It's a rational response to invasion, to do anything to prevent said invasion. Autistic screeching about the strategic bombing campaign would make more sense, if it was a one-way affair. It was not.

The UK also built an arsenal of anthrax so potent that it completely destroyed one of the outer Scottish islands - it was uninhabitable for fifty years.

China, during the Korean War, was facing the same prospect - hence their involvement. Chinese civilians were killed by the USA, as a direct result of the bioweapons. Did you know that? Did you know that the USA released bioweapons and massacred Chinese civilians?


What about the Philippine-American War after the Spanish one? That's rarely talked about and US did worse shit, even bloodier than the Spanish-American War.
All I know about that one is that the .45ACP cartridge and the 1911 was the result of it. For that, it's more forgivable. The Philippines came when the USA was a minor power, during the colonial era - their enemies were more brutal than they were, and fell into the real core of colonialism - "Why can a group of inbred paedophiles and cannibals claim such beautiful land, all for themselves? God made all men equal, so we can fight over it" - it's an honest conquest.

Korea is the one where it stinks - the entire situation just leaves a bad taste in the mouth. The fags, in this very thread, who think that McDonald's is a more appealing prospect than the state run by a literal war hero. North Korea, unironically, was the superior option for the peninsula - and the USA/SK killed hundreds of thousands of South Koreans to make sure they ruled it.

The Joe Stalin boomer man is correct, North Korea was the industrial and power hub of the country, while the South was chiefly agrarian - but under what justification can you demand a country depose its war-hero leader, split it in half and remove its farming ability, then practically sterilise the farming half (lowest birthrate on Earth in SK) - that doesn't seem like a victory for anyone. The entire Korean war is simply a nation being abused by an invading and extremely foreign country keen on "nation-building" while the nation's neighbours try to help.

Kim Jong Un's grandson can live in the deserted ruins of Seoul's megamalls, once the last citizens die of old age. The disgraceful conduct comes to the Koreans being, apparently, not permitted to make their own choices. They weren't ideological Communists - Kim Il Sung didn't come into power via hypnosis and the "Red Magic" - he was in power because he was the most dangerous Korean partisan. Kim Il-Sung was the Asian equivalent of Tito - the wild-man who saved his country from foreign invasion. People didn't follow him because of his ideology - they followed him because when all the big names ran away to safety, he stayed behind and fought.

The American paranoia and lack of general positive culture forget this critical fact about almost all of the "communist dictators" - they were soldiers. All of them. Chairman Mao, Kim Il-Sung, Josef Stalin, all the big names had their start in fighting. There's no equivalent for Americans, who haven't fought any actual war, but trying to depose a bad ideology when its representatives are stronger, braver and better than anything you can provide is a fucking retarded thing to do. The USSR knew this and went out of its way to kill off Eastern European war heroes, including their own, out of fear that they could topple the regime.

There's a reason South Korea outlaws any kind of North Korean propaganda. It's not because of "le Communism bad" - North Korea would still be banned even if they denounced Communism as a poor system of government. The truth is that the North Koreans are more Korean than the South. It's a hard thing to describe to people who genuinely believe that nation-states are imaginary, and that the only system of government ought to be "shuffling a dementia patient from room-to-room to sign documents" but it's something most actual nations can understand.

It's an artificial government, propped up by a money printer. South Korea might, yet, still depend on the North in the future - if America falls like the USSR did, then it would be North Koreans feeding the South. And the thing is, the biggest propaganda point for North Korea in the future would be this:
The South, by comparison, has gone from strength to strength. Whatever they don't produce enough of for people to eat, they can easily purchase from abroad. The North cannot do this except for certain purchases not intended for the general public.

After looking more into it, I genuinely don't believe that the North Koreans are depriving their people on purpose. The fact that the USA tried to obscure its targeting of the agricultural reservoirs during the war is enough, but their famine in the 90s was one of the biggest disasters of the 20th century.

True famines don't really exist, anywhere, thanks to the Haber/Ostwald process, and almost all of them come from "mismanagement" - I no longer believe that the North Koreans mismanaged anything. It's a blockade - the famine in the 90s wasn't "in spite of foreign help" and it looks like much of the sphere, including South Korea, was prevented from sending assistance.

It looks more like an extreme version of the Great Famine in Ireland and Britain - and being completely unoriginal, the likes of @Chicken Neck Nelly forget that "your ideology means starvation" was directed towards Catholics before it was directed towards Communism. The USA mimicking Trevelyan isn't surprising, but the fact that this is one of the few situations where the two are the same - and while the UK did this to its own people, the USA did this to a foreign nation for purely ideological reasons.

It genuinely looks the same way. I suspect that China and South Korea had been sending meat, dairy and high quality rice - while the USA stepped in and sent inedible corn meal to keep the North Koreans starving.
 
I don't remember that one either honestly, and I went to Military school for high school
It was pretty nasty at times. Jungle warfare against a primarily Islamic insurgency. Machetes and sidearms were the weapons of choice more often than not what with the submachine gun not being invented yet. Even had suicide attackers, although thankfully they just had swords instead of bomb vests. The .38 caliber revolvers the US Army issued were in many cases insufficient since a sufficiently determined attacker can frequently fight through the pain and blood loss enough to take someone with him, whereas a larger round like .45 ACP that just dumps a bunch of energy into the guy to cause instant organ trauma has much better chances of dropping them on the spot, or at least slowing them down enough to the point they expire before they reach you. There's a reason .45 is still in use by the military personnel that actually expect to need their sidearms even after we "officially" switched to the Beretta and its 9mm round. Hell, .45 ACP is nothing but the good old .45 S&W round that was used by the cavalry units in the 1800's updated for smokeless powder and a semi-auto pistol instead of a revolver. That shit just works.

And no, we did not have clean hands, leading to some very scathing remarks from Mark Twain. Of course, the USA also did a lot of good there, like banning slavery, ending banditry and raiding, and building an actual functioning country out of the Philippines whereas before they were just various tribal bands engaged in tribal band things like killing each other and taking their shit. There's a reason we're on fairly good terms with them despite our colonial rule, unlike a certain other country that has fifty nations proudly celebrating the day they finally fucked off and went home, the USA included.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moro_Rebellion
 
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